What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Taurus]

Y'know, we mock Russia for spouting lies like Ukraine is run by Nazis and we ought to *do something*.

Meanwhile our own leadership says completely batshirt things like this with no repercussions at all.

 

[el caliente]

I don’t think Democrats want Republicans dead, however she did cite two examples of Democrats killing Republicans.

Shannon Brandt charged with murder after allegedly fatally hitting Cayler Ellingson with SUV

Shannon Brandt, the man who is accused of fatally hitting Cayler Ellingson with an SUV, has been charged with murder.

nypost.com

Michigan man charged with shooting elderly woman in abortion altercation | Michigan | The Guardian

Richard Harvey, 74, faces assault charges after he says he ‘accidentally’ shot Joan Jacobson, 84, as she campaigned on his doorstep

amp.theguardian.com

Her saying what she said makes me think of these clowns that say “you need to vote blue down the ballot because there are no good republicans”. There are still good Democrats and Republicans out there, you just need to dig through lots of trash to find them.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don’t think Democrats want Republicans dead, however she did cite two examples of Democrats killing Republicans.

Shannon Brandt charged with murder after allegedly fatally hitting Cayler Ellingson with SUV

Shannon Brandt, the man who is accused of fatally hitting Cayler Ellingson with an SUV, has been charged with murder.

nypost.com

Michigan man charged with shooting elderly woman in abortion altercation | Michigan | The Guardian

Richard Harvey, 74, faces assault charges after he says he ‘accidentally’ shot Joan Jacobson, 84, as she campaigned on his doorstep

amp.theguardian.com

Her saying what she said makes me think of these clowns that say “you need to vote blue down the ballot because there are no good republicans”. There are still good Democrats and Republicans out there, you just need to dig through lots of trash to find them.

She absolutely did not. From the first story:

"North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Bryan Niewind told Fox News Digital that there was “no evidence” suggesting that the teenager was part of a “Republican extremist group” or that the incident involved politics."

And in the second incident, in Michigan, nobody died.

For someone who says we need to dig through the trash to find the good politicians, you're quick to take at face value the words of the worst trash in Congress.

 

[el caliente]

She absolutely did not. From the first story:

"North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Bryan Niewind told Fox News Digital that there was “no evidence” suggesting that the teenager was part of a “Republican extremist group” or that the incident involved politics."

And in the second incident, in Michigan, nobody died.

For someone who says we need to dig through the trash to find the good politicians, you're quick to take at face value the words of the worst trash in Congress.

I suppose wether the accident was politically motivated or not will be dug into during the trial.

As for the woman being shot, my mistake, she drove herself to the hospital.

At the end of the day, there are good politicians on both sides, you just have to sift through crap to find them.

 

[UriUT]

I suppose wether the accident was politically motivated or not will be dug into during the trial.

As for the woman being shot, my mistake, she drove herself to the hospital.

At the end of the day, there are good politicians on both sides, you just have to sift through crap to find them.

I think the time for bothsidism is way past its expiration date. There was a study that examined the extremism on "both sides" and sure dems moved slightly left. And what's interesting are there are many many more moderates than there are folks like aoc. Meanwhile on the Republican sides, extremism is off the charts. You cannot even listen to graham and laugh at the irony when he complains about authoritarians.

 

[UriUT]

This guy cannot even bother to vote for aid for Ian's damage to Florida. 18 billions worth. He is not a serious person.

And btw no florida Republicans voted yes.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I suppose wether the accident was politically motivated or not will be dug into during the trial.

As for the woman being shot, my mistake, she drove herself to the hospital.

At the end of the day, there are good politicians on both sides, you just have to sift through crap to find them.

That still doesn't address the fact that you are playing the "both sides" card while regurgitating obvious lies from a traitor to everything this country is supposed to stand for. Whataboutism is such a bullshirt cop-out, as Uri pointed out.

 

[el caliente]

That still doesn't address the fact that you are playing the "both sides" card while regurgitating obvious lies from a traitor to everything this country is supposed to stand for. Whataboutism is such a bullshirt cop-out, as Uri pointed out.

I am playing the both sides card. I am saying that there are still both good democrats and good republicans, you just have to sift through trash (like MGT) to find them. Welcome to the experiment, it’s not always going to go as planed (or hoped).

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I am playing the both sides card. I am saying that there are still both good democrats and good republicans, you just have to sift through trash (like MGT) to find them. Welcome to the experiment, it’s not always going to go as planed (or hoped).

But it's not both sides. It's one side that is actively undermining democracy and riling up their base into the sort of frenzy that storms the capitol in an effort to prevent the lawful and peaceful transfer of power- or worse. And in this speech, she is saying things that any reasonable person could interpret as a call to fight violence with violence, except she is saying it to a crowd full of unreasonable people with precious little critical thinking and reasoning skills. So, with all due respect, you can shove this tired "both sides" argument where only Dr. Jellyfingers can find it.

 

[MT15]

This is so craven.

 

[MT15]

Grrrrrr……Republicans need to stop protecting that criminal.

 

[el caliente]

But it's not both sides. It's one side that is actively undermining democracy and riling up their base into the sort of frenzy that storms the capitol in an effort to prevent the lawful and peaceful transfer of power- or worse. And in this speech, she is saying things that any reasonable person could interpret as a call to fight violence with violence, except she is saying it to a crowd full of unreasonable people with precious little critical thinking and reasoning skills. So, with all due respect, you can shove this tired "both sides" argument where only Dr. Jellyfingers can find it.

Nah, I’m good. You and your people can enjoy Dr. Jellyfingers (nttawwt).

As for “both sides”, I’ll keep at it. Both sides can claim varying degrees to undermining democracy. From riling up a base to storm the Capitol, to propping up the crazies from the other side of the aisle in order to secure bad candidates.

There are a lot of crazies on both sides, but there are also good candidates on both sides. Can we at least agree on that? If not I don’t believe we have much we will be able to agree on.

 

[Taurus]

Nah, I’m good. You and your people can enjoy Dr. Jellyfingers (nttawwt).

As for “both sides”, I’ll keep at it. Both sides can claim varying degrees to undermining democracy. From riling up a base to storm the Capitol, to propping up the crazies from the other side of the aisle in order to secure bad candidates.

There are a lot of crazies on both sides, but there are also good candidates on both sides. Can we at least agree on that? If not I don’t believe we have much we will be able to agree on.

The thing is, after seeing 1/6 and the utter Trumpian morass the GOP has devolved into, any candidate who still, after all this, identifies with the Republican party, that candidate doesn't deserve consideration.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Nah, I’m good. You and your people can enjoy Dr. Jellyfingers (nttawwt).

As for “both sides”, I’ll keep at it. Both sides can claim varying degrees to undermining democracy. From riling up a base to storm the Capitol, to propping up the crazies from the other side of the aisle in order to secure bad candidates.

There are a lot of crazies on both sides, but there are also good candidates on both sides. Can we at least agree on that? If not I don’t believe we have much we will be able to agree on.

That depends. Can you agree that the worst of the right is light years beyond any of the rhetoric and action from the left?

 

[el caliente]

The thing is, after seeing 1/6 and the utter Trumpian morass the GOP has devolved into, any candidate who still, after all this, identifies with the Republican party, that candidate doesn't deserve consideration.

I’m not sure I understand how what your are describing should work. So do those Republicans run as 3rd party candidates rather than Republicans in this case? I thought that the theory on this site that by voting 3rd party, you are only helping the Trump Republicans?

How does a two party system work in this case?

 

[el caliente]

That depends. Can you agree that the worst of the right is light years beyond any of the rhetoric and action from the left?

I can agree with that. Can we agree that there are good politicians on both sides, where voting red/blue down the ticket won’t necessarily render the best results as it will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I can agree with that. Can we agree that there are good politicians on both sides, where voting red/blue down the ticket won’t necessarily render the best results as it will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water?

Here's what I see is the difference and this is just my opinion. There are far fewer "good republicans" than there are Trump supporting Republicans who are bent on destroying what we have come to know as democracy. There are even fewer "good republicans" willing to stand up and admit the truth for fear of being voted out in favor of another Trump supporting Republicans. The "bad republicans" have already shown what they are willing to do to this country and what they are willing to help be done.

I don't accept the premise that there are enough "good republicans" to keep the "bad republicans" in check. With respect to "bad democrats", I simply don't see where any of them have supported an insurrection against the US government or are willing to abandon the rule of law to support and protect someone that has openly committed crimes against the US. In fact, I haven't seen ANY "bad democrats" that said or done anything close to what the "bad republicans" have done and are trying to do. There was an armed attempt to take over our capital and 3-4 "good republicans" stood up against it. "Good republicans" have been voted out of congress. There are none left.

Hypocrisy, disregard for rule of Law, Corruption of the supreme court, open racism, stripping of women's rights, openly corrupt judges...those are all results of "bad republicans". I know what happens if "bad republicans" gain power. It's not a chance I'm willing to take as "bad republicans" most assuredly have shown what they are willing to do. For me and for millions of other people, we see our only recourse as voting out every trump supporting republican in government; not attempting an armed insurrection against the government in violation of the constitution we pretend to love. If the baby in that bath water is evil and bent on destroying the country, then it SHOULD be thrown out.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The crisis over undrinkable water in Jackson, Miss., and the decision by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida to remove a twice-elected Tampa-area prosecutor may seem unrelated.

They are not.


They are two examples of a decade-long Republican attack on Democratic-led cities and counties that has weakened and undercut them through two tactics in particular: power-stripping and neglect.


Two political trends that have accelerated over the past decade are driving Republicans in this direction.

Increasingly, the mayor of any large city is a Democrat — even in red states. Of the United States' 100 biggest cities, only 26 are run by Republicans.

And those mayors are fairly left-wing on many issues, as the Democratic Party has become increasingly ideologically consistent across the country.

At the same time, state governments have become more dominated by Republicans.

In 23 states, Republicans control both the state legislature and governor’s office, up from only nine in 2010.

In most states, the big metropolitan areas are where the action is — they are the centers of population, economic development and education policy.

Republican governors and state legislators don’t want to be cut out of the most important decisions in their states, particularly since they aren’t likely to agree with the choices Democratic officials make.


Enter power-stripping.

Over the past decade, wherever Republicans have control of state government, they are consistently passing laws putting strings on cities and counties.

For much of the 2010s, Republicans were stopping local governments from raising the minimum wage, creating universal paid leave, increasing taxes or regulating businesses.

In 2020, they rolled back or suspended numerous municipal covid-19 restrictions.

Last year, Republican legislators and governors across the country banned provisions adopted in Democratic cities in 2020 that made it easier to vote, such as ballot drop boxes and longer hours and more locations for early voting.

They also made it harder for cities to change their policing practices and restricted how schools could teach racism, both attempts to rein in the racial liberalism that emerged in urban areas after the killing of George Floyd and resulting protests.


Now, Republican officials have begun going a step further — literally removing left-leaning officials from key posts to prevent them from enacting Democratic policy goals……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/03/power-stripping-neglect-gop-attack-cities-bacon/