What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I'd ordinarily be more inclined to vote for a candidate who is pro-life. That said, that seems to only a small, even if significant, part of a given candidate's platform. There's obviously a lot of other considerations in voting for a given candidate, but I would argue that not much outweighs Trump and Trumper candidates. I'd argue that voting 3rd party essentially makes it more likely that the Trumper candidate gets elected.

I realize some like you would disagree with that take, but I just can't get comfortable with the idea of throwing away my vote. I'd rather vote against a Trumper than vote for an irrelevant candidate.

Fine. We all have the freedom to do as our conscience dictates.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Does the Lord not weigh all sin equally?

Yes. Scriture states: For ALL have sinned and come short. So what is your point? Because every candidate has sinned I should disregard that issue and just focus on anti Trump candidates?

 

[brandon]

Yes. Scriture states: For ALL have sinned and come short. So what is your point? Because every candidate has sinned I should disregard that issue and just focus on anti Trump candidates?

It was not a question if all have sinned (they have, according to scripture), but if all sins are the same in God’s sight (they are, according to scripture).

And with that knowledge, abortion should not be the only factor by which you judge democrats, especially in light of the current state of the GOP, if you are basing your opinion on God’s reaction to your vote.

The sin of abortion and the sin of undermining our country’s foundation are equal in God’s eyes.

So since they are equal in God’s eyes, you can safely judge these sins with man’s eyes. Which one is actually worse for the future of our country, which is what voting is about?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

It was not a question if all have sinned (they have, according to scripture), but if all sins are the same in God’s sight (they are, according to scripture).

And with that knowledge, abortion should not be the only factor by which you judge democrats, especially in light of the current state of the GOP, if you are basing your opinion on God’s reaction to your vote.

The sin of abortion and the sin of undermining our country’s foundation are equal in God’s eyes.

So since they are equal in God’s eyes, you can safely judge these sins with man’s eyes. Which one is actually worse for the future of our country, which is what voting is about?

You do not know what you are talking about. Don't try to explain scripture. You are not a born again christian and thus you are just interpreting scripture trusting in your own personal intellect. You have said things that are erroneous but I am just gonna take a pass at continuing this. I am in my hotel room in Derry/ Londonderry Northern Ireland. It is lovely here@

 

[brandon]

You do not know what you are talking about. Don't try to explain scripture. You are not a born again christian and thus you are just interpreting scripture trusting in your own personal intellect. You have said things that are erroneous but I am just gonna take a pass at continuing this. I am in my hotel room in Derry/ Londonderry Northern Ireland. It is lovely here@

Bold of you to assume.

I just got home from my evangelical church this morning, where I serve as a production coordinator and musician. I’ve been in church two to three times per week, every week, pretty much since I was born.

If you want to go down the theological rabbit hole, I’m more than comfortable going there with you. Tell me where I’m wrong.

 

[Optimus Prime]

President Joe Biden privately met with a group of historians at the White House last week who warned him about ongoing threats to democracy, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the August 4 meeting, which was said to have lasted nearly two hours, told the outlet the experts described the current moment as among the most dangerous to democracy in modern history.

The people in the meeting were said to have included the Princeton University history professor Sean Wilentz, the University of Virginia historian Allida Black, the journalist Anne Applebaum, and the presidential historian Michael Beschloss. Speechwriters for Biden, including Vinay Reddy and Jon Meacham, and the White House senior advisor Anita Dunn were also said to have attended.

The small group almost exclusively discussed totalitarianism around the world and threats to American democracy, according to the Post.

The outlet reported the scholars compared the current state of affairs to the era that preceded the American Civil War, as well as the period before World War II when fascist movements emerged, specifically noting Abraham Lincoln's 1860 election and President Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1940 election.............

MSN

www.msn.com

“I’m not a scientist, man,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) once told an interviewer. He was evading a question about creationism and how old planet Earth is.

“I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that,” he said.

Now Rubio has disclosed that he’s no historian, either.

The senator, up for reelection, has adopted a familiar tactic by expressing his contempt for American historians who recently met with President Biden to put current events into historical perspective. According to Rubio, those in attendance, including myself, are “elitists” and “snobs.”

According to his account of our conversation, for which he obviously was not present, we urged the president to stop allowing “working everyday people and their common sense” to “play a role in our decision-making.”

In fact, much of the historical discussion with the president involved exactly the opposite, including how to address issues that affect the hard-working American majority and how to overcome polarization.

Historians have long chronicled the deliberate manipulation and falsification of events for political purposes.

Rubio’s version of what happened in the meeting stands in the sorry tradition of the great propagandists. He maligns independent thinkers and fabricates what they say to depict them as enemies of the people.

The danger is twofold. Rubio has contributed to a culture of fakery for easy political profit that plays upon suspicion and fuels the current atmosphere of incitement…….

Rubio’s contempt for historians and his predictable attempt to stir up hostility against them are part of a long American fake populist tradition of vilifying intellect, a tradition that infects out politics with reliable frequency.

It extends from the Anti-Masons and the Know-Nothings of the 19th century through Father Charles Coughlin and McCarthyism in the 20th century to Donald Trump today.

For the present-day GOP, it has become standard operating procedure.

Real American populism began with working everyday people, mostly farmers, in the fight of their lives against railroad tycoons, banker plutocrats and land-speculating moguls. It aimed to use the federal government to contain and regulate their exorbitant private power.

Fake populism, a craft that Rubio is clearly trying to master, distracts attention from the abuses of corrupt politicians and plutocrats by manufacturing imaginary threats both at home and abroad while projecting cooler heads as elitists……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/14/historians-biden-white-house-rubio/

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Bold of you to assume.

I just got home from my evangelical church this morning, where I serve as a production coordinator and musician. I’ve been in church two to three times per week, every week, pretty much since I was born.

If you want to go down the theological rabbit hole, I’m more than comfortable going there with you. Tell me where I’m wrong.

I need to be home so I can look at your quote...look at my Bible and discuss it properly. I am on a hotel bed with no Bible...no laptop. In Ireland it is 11:20pm. Another time sir. ...and a private message exchange would be more appropriate.

 

[DaveXA]

I need to be home so I can look at your quote...look at my Bible and discuss it properly. I am on a hotel bed with no Bible...no laptop. In Ireland it is 11:20pm. Another time sir. ...and a private message exchange would be more appropriate.

Lol, why not here? We won't bite. Might push back a bit, but that comes with the territory in political debates. We'll be happy to wait til you return home. But having the discussion here is perfectly appropriate, from where I sit anyway.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

“I’m not a scientist, man,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) once told an interviewer. He was evading a question about creationism and how old planet Earth is.

“I don’t think I’m qualified to answer a question like that,” he said.

Now Rubio has disclosed that he’s no historian, either.

The senator, up for reelection, has adopted a familiar tactic by expressing his contempt for American historians who recently met with President Biden to put current events into historical perspective. According to Rubio, those in attendance, including myself, are “elitists” and “snobs.”

According to his account of our conversation, for which he obviously was not present, we urged the president to stop allowing “working everyday people and their common sense” to “play a role in our decision-making.”

In fact, much of the historical discussion with the president involved exactly the opposite, including how to address issues that affect the hard-working American majority and how to overcome polarization.

Historians have long chronicled the deliberate manipulation and falsification of events for political purposes.

Rubio’s version of what happened in the meeting stands in the sorry tradition of the great propagandists. He maligns independent thinkers and fabricates what they say to depict them as enemies of the people.

The danger is twofold. Rubio has contributed to a culture of fakery for easy political profit that plays upon suspicion and fuels the current atmosphere of incitement…….

Rubio’s contempt for historians and his predictable attempt to stir up hostility against them are part of a long American fake populist tradition of vilifying intellect, a tradition that infects out politics with reliable frequency.

It extends from the Anti-Masons and the Know-Nothings of the 19th century through Father Charles Coughlin and McCarthyism in the 20th century to Donald Trump today.

For the present-day GOP, it has become standard operating procedure.

Real American populism began with working everyday people, mostly farmers, in the fight of their lives against railroad tycoons, banker plutocrats and land-speculating moguls. It aimed to use the federal government to contain and regulate their exorbitant private power.

Fake populism, a craft that Rubio is clearly trying to master, distracts attention from the abuses of corrupt politicians and plutocrats by manufacturing imaginary threats both at home and abroad while projecting cooler heads as elitists……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/14/historians-biden-white-house-rubio/

And that is the reason why we have so many in this country that believe stupid shirt.
Case and point:


These people need to be lead, but instead of true leaders, they have hundreds of Mark Rubios out there that are afraid to be honest with them.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Lol, why not here? We won't bite. Might push back a bit, but that comes with the territory in political debates. We'll be happy to wait til you return home. But having the discussion here is perfectly appropriate, from where I sit anyway.

Agreed. I would love to read it. And I won't even say anything, because Steve has me blocked and won't see it anyway. lol

 

[nolaspe]

And now back to your regularly scheduled gop stupidity...

 

[Taurus]

“…give that some strong consideration” bullschlitz. She’d attach herself to his azz like a lamprey in a heartbeat.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, anal lamprey.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Lol, why not here? We won't bite. Might push back a bit, but that comes with the territory in political debates. We'll be happy to wait til you return home. But having the discussion here is perfectly appropriate, from where I sit anyway.

1) It is not a good testimony to unbelievers to see 2 Christian's "argue" 2) I am still a school teacher and I should not actually be posting on scripture or abortion....if this goes forward in a discussion involving me it will have to be on the one to one messaging usually referred to as a PM or a DM.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

1) It is not a good testimony to unbelievers to see 2 Christian's "argue" ...........................

Why not, we/unbelievers know that you/believers don't agree on everything? Further, it would be an interesting debate and good for the forum.

BTW, as a nonbeliever, I can't understand how all sins could be considered equal.

Mr. Graham has also been asked whether all sins are equal in God’s eyes. This was his answer:
It is always difficult and dangerous to attempt to list sins according to their degree of seriousness. In one sense, all sins are equal in that they all separate us from God. The Bible’s statement, “For the wages of sin is death …” (Romans 6:23), applies to all sin, whether in thought, word, or deed.

At the same time, it seems obvious that some sins are worse than others in both motivation and effects, and should be judged accordingly. Stealing a loaf of bread is vastly different than exterminating a million people. Sins may also differ at their root.

Theologians have sought for centuries to determine what the essence of sin is. Some have chosen sensuality, others selfishness, and still others pride or unbelief. In the Old Testament, God applied different penalties to different sins, suggesting variations in the seriousness of some sins. A thief paid restitution; an occult practitioner was cut off from Israel; one who committed adultery or a homosexual act or cursed his parents was put to death (see Exodus, chapter 22 and Leviticus, chapter 20).

In the New Testament Jesus said it would be more bearable on the day of judgment for Sodom than for Capernaum because of Capernaum’s unbelief and refusal to repent after witnessing His miracles (Matthew 11:23-24). The sins of Sodom were identified in Ezekiel 16:49-50 as arrogance, gluttony, indifference to the poor and needy, haughtiness, and “detestable things.”

https://billygraham.org/story/billy-grahams-answer-what-is-sin-are-all-sins-equal-in-gods-eyes/

 

[Saintamaniac]

Why not, we/unbelievers know that you/believers don't agree on everything? Further, it would be an interesting debate and good for the forum.

BTW, as a nonbeliever, I can't understand how all sins could be considered equal.


https://billygraham.org/story/billy-grahams-answer-what-is-sin-are-all-sins-equal-in-gods-eyes/

Christians can't decide which sin offends them to the point of discrimination. Just look at the bakery that was so offended by a gay couple asking for a cake for their wedding that they refused to bake the cake but they have no problem baking a cake for adulterers and sabbath breakers.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

No one is focusing on my job. I have been told numerous times that I am an ambassador of the Board of Education 365 days a year...24/7. I will let it rip someday when I retire. Yet for now, I do not have the freedom to say on a public platform what I wish. Sorry.

 

[Eeyore]

Texas congressman swears off eating 'a whole plate of dog penis' again

Former White House physician Ronny Jackson said he would prefer fried steak for his last...

www.chron.com

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

No one is focusing on my job. I have been told numerous times that I am an ambassador of the Board of Education 365 days a year...24/7. I will let it rip someday when I retire. Yet for now, I do not have the freedom to say on a public platform what I wish. Sorry.

Understand. I wouldn't want you to do what you don't want to.

Enjoy Ireland.