What happens to the Republican Party now? (6 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[coldseat]

Lovely…

"Ask you kids about it later."

Ewwww...... Gross!

 

[superchuck500]

 

[superchuck500]

Liz Cheney is going to lose to this person.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

I can understand your issue Steve in New Jersey.

If only there was some way to use a different name, while you were on the screen. That way people could post anonymously.

That would be so cool. Alas, nothing can de done to solve that conundrum.

Anyway, my wife Mrs Coolbrees and I are taking the two little ones out so I gotta go.

Well my caution is most likely above and beyond what is needed. I have no Facebook account....and on here I do not use my last name .....and I do not show my face....so of course I am just displaying my worry wart side of my personality. Yet I am who I am and I just do not want to discuss religion on here anymore. I just don't feel at peace doing so. Many will think I am being cowardly or whatever...but it is what it is. Bye.

 

[efil4]

Liz Cheney is going to lose to this person.

More simply, the Republicans want the person who will do their bidding, without question. They dont care about the content, they care about if she is "all in"


and that lady is clearly "all in".

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think the Dobbs decision is going be a big driver for the midterms, but I think the GOP killing the $35 insulin cap may be just as big

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

More simply, the Republicans want the person who will do their bidding, without question. They dont care about the content, they care about if she is "all in"


and that lady is clearly "all in".

Unfortunately you need to be all out of it to be "all in" as a Republican.

 

[CoolBrees]

Well my caution is most likely above and beyond what is needed. I have no Facebook account....and on here I do not use my last name .....and I do not show my face....so of course I am just displaying my worry wart side of my personality. Yet I am who I am and I just do not want to discuss religion on here anymore. I just don't feel at peace doing so. Many will think I am being cowardly or whatever...but it is what it is. Bye.

Hi SteveSBrickNJ,

I knew a guy who used to write for a paper that was afraid to post his opinions.

I think he looked into it and found that there was no was no discernible way, legally anyways, that someone could ascertain you identity from a message board. I hope that helps.

Anyway nice talking with you,

CB

 

[brandon]

Hi SteveSBrickNJ,

I knew a guy who used to write for a paper that was afraid to post his opinions.

I think he looked into it and found that there was no was no discernible way, legally anyways, that someone could ascertain you identity from a message board. I hope that helps.

Anyway nice talking with you,

CB

 

[Optimus Prime]

really good article (Atlantic, so it's long)
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.........But in leading their predominantly white, Republican congregations, Brown and Bolin have come to agree on one important thing: Both pastors believe there is a war for the soul of the American Church—and both have decided they cannot stand on the sidelines. They aren’t alone.

To many evangelicals today, the enemy is no longer secular America, but their fellow Christians, people who hold the same faith but different beliefs.

How did this happen? For generations, white evangelicals have cultivated a narrative pitting courageous, God-fearing Christians against a wicked society that wants to expunge the Almighty from public life.

Having convinced so many evangelicals that the next election could trigger the nation’s demise, Christian leaders effectively turned thousands of churches into unwitting cells in a loosely organized, hazily defined, existentially urgent movement—the types of places where paranoia and falsehoods flourish and people turn on one another.

“Hands down, the biggest challenge facing the Church right now is the misinformation and disinformation coming in from the outside,” Brown said...........

Short-lived victories, however, came at a long-term cost. Evangelical leaders set something in motion decades ago that pastors today can no longer control. Not only were Christians conditioned to understand their struggle as one against flesh and blood, fixated on earthly concerns, a fight for a kingdom of this world—all of which runs directly counter to the commands of scripture—they were indoctrinated with a belief that because the stakes were getting so high, any means was justified.

Which brings us to Donald Trump.

When Trump was elected thanks to a historic showing among white evangelicals—81 percent voted for him over Hillary Clinton—the victory was rightly viewed as the apex of the movement’s power. But this was, in many ways, also the beginning of its unraveling.

The “battle lines” Bolin described as having emerged over the past five years—cultural reckonings over racism and sexual misconduct; a lethal pandemic and fierce disputes over vaccines and government mandates; allegations of election theft that led to a siege of the U.S. Capitol; and, underlying all of this, the presidency, prosecution, and martyring of Trump himself—have carved up every institution of American society. The evangelical Church is no exception.

The nation’s largest denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention, is bleeding members because of ferocious infighting over race relations, women serving in leadership, accountability for sexual misconduct, and other issues. The United Methodist Church, America’s second-largest denomination, is headed toward imminent divorce over irreconcilable social and ideological divisions.

Smaller denominations are losing affiliate churches as pastors and congregations break from their leadership over many of the same cultural flash points, choosing independence over associating with those who do not hold their views.

Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that Christians, like Americans from every walk of life, are self-selecting into cliques of shared habits and thinking. But what’s notable about the realignment inside the white evangelical Church is its asymmetry.

Pastors report losing an occasional liberal member because of their refusal to speak on Sunday mornings about bigotry or poverty or social injustice.

But these same pastors report having lost—in the past few years alone—a significant portion of their congregation because of complaints that they and their staff did not advance right-wing political doctrines. Hard data are difficult to come by; churches are not required to disclose attendance figures.

But a year’s worth of conversations with pastors, denominational leaders, evangelical scholars, and everyday Christians tells a clear story: Substantial numbers of evangelicals are fleeing their churches, and most of them are moving to ones further to the right...........

Moore is not exaggerating. More than a few times, I’ve heard casual talk of civil war inside places that purport to worship the Prince of Peace. And, far from feeling misplaced, these conversations draw legitimacy from a sense of divine justice.

The Church is not a victim of America’s civic strife. Instead, it is one of the principal catalysts.........

How Politics Poisoned the Evangelical Church

The movement spent 40 years at war with secular America. Now it’s at war with itself.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I think the Dobbs decision is going be a big driver for the midterms, but I think the GOP killing the $35 insulin cap may be just as big

As a type 1 diabetic in several diabetic groups, I can confirm there has definitely been a call to arms over this. People are pissed.

 

[Optimus Prime]

As a type 1 diabetic in several diabetic groups, I can confirm there has definitely been a call to arms over this. People are pissed.

As they should be, the GOP is literally playing politics with people's lives

and maybe I missed it, but this bill was passed without a single republican vote

How exactly did they get the $35 cap removed?

 

[MT15]

voter fraud, you say?

 

[MT15]

As they should be, the GOP is literally playing politics with people's lives

and maybe I missed it, but this bill was passed without a single republican vote

How exactly did they get the $35 cap removed?

We had a post on it, it’s confusing. I think it had something to do with the parliamentarian saying it couldn’t be part of the reconciliation bill for economic reasons. So they tried to pass it separately, and it was filibustered (of course, just takes one JA to do that) so it needed 60 votes, and it got 57.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

We had a post on it, it’s confusing. I think it had something to do with the parliamentarian saying it couldn’t be part of the reconciliation bill for economic reasons. So they tried to pass it separately, and it was filibustered (of course, just takes one JA to do that) so it needed 60 votes, and it got 57.

Close. You're correct on the parliamentarian ruling. Because it applied to private businesses, the parliamentarian ruled it couldn't remain in the bill as a part of the reconciliation process. The Senate can overrule a ruling of the parliamentarian much like it can overrule the chief justice in an impeachment trial, but they need a super majority to do so. Like mt said, they came up three votes short, so it had to be removed.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The answer to the oft asked question,”is this the thing that will finally cause Trump’s supporters to abandon him?” is no.

This isn’t the the thing.

The next thing won’t be the thing either.

NOTHING will be the thing.
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At this point, no straw — no lead pipe, even — could break the camel’s back. Republicans have demonstrated that Donald Trump could commit any transgression or crime and they would still defend it.


Put another way: Trump conducted his Fifth Avenue test, and Republicans have failed.


Once upon a time, I (naively) believed that many Republican politicians might someday dump Trump.

For two key reasons: A) They seemed to find him revolting; and B) he was a major political liability.

Instead, as time wore on, their tolerance for both moral revulsion and political liability grew.

Boasting about grabbing non-consenting women by their genitals? At first a little iffy, then excused as a harmless locker-room talk.

Much the same with his embrace of neo-Nazis after Charlottesville and of his instructions to the right-wing extremist Proud Boys to “stand by.”

Also overlooked? His affair with a porn star, hush-money payments to silence said porn star and a subsequent apparent campaign finance violation.


Government-sponsored child abuse — of thousands of asylum-seeking kids abruptly separated from their parents — became acceptable to the “family values” party too.

Using the power of the state to punish private companies that disagreed with him? Whatever; forget all those “free market” commitments.

Extorting a crucial foreign ally, or governors overseeing a crisis, for personal political gain? Meh.

Same with the piles of money given to Trump by corporate lobbyists and foreign governments through his private businesses while he occupied the White House.

And of course: Even encouraging a coup attempt, during which Trump apparently endorsed his followers’ threats to execute other Republicans, was somehow within bounds.


So perhaps it should not be surprising that when Trump was found last week to have absconded with classified documents, erstwhile national security hawks still rushed to defend him.

Republicans who once claimed to “back the blue” now smear federal law enforcement and fundraise off calls to “DEFUND THE FBI.”


And when Trump was implicated in possible violations of the Espionage Act, at least one GOP official responded by recommending repeal of the Espionage Act.

It’s a new spin on an old Nixonian saw: When the president does it, it’s not illegal — or at least it won’t be for much longer.

It can be hard to understand why Republican politicians would so profoundly, repeatedly, abase themselves before Trump, particularly when he never returns the favor.

Perhaps they’re just in awe of his political intuition. It must have taken a lot of foresight, after all, for Trump to declassify documents that the FBI would later plant at his house!…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/16/trump-crime-gop-support/

 

[MT15]

Liz Cheney is going to lose to this person.

 

[bird]

The answer to the oft asked question,”is this the thing that will finally cause Trump’s supporters to abandon him?” is no.

This isn’t the the thing.

The next thing won’t be the thing either.

NOTHING will be the thing.
====================

At this point, no straw — no lead pipe, even — could break the camel’s back. Republicans have demonstrated that Donald Trump could commit any transgression or crime and they would still defend it.


Put another way: Trump conducted his Fifth Avenue test, and Republicans have failed.


Once upon a time, I (naively) believed that many Republican politicians might someday dump Trump.

For two key reasons: A) They seemed to find him revolting; and B) he was a major political liability.

Instead, as time wore on, their tolerance for both moral revulsion and political liability grew.

Boasting about grabbing non-consenting women by their genitals? At first a little iffy, then excused as a harmless locker-room talk.

Much the same with his embrace of neo-Nazis after Charlottesville and of his instructions to the right-wing extremist Proud Boys to “stand by.”

Also overlooked? His affair with a porn star, hush-money payments to silence said porn star and a subsequent apparent campaign finance violation.


Government-sponsored child abuse — of thousands of asylum-seeking kids abruptly separated from their parents — became acceptable to the “family values” party too.

Using the power of the state to punish private companies that disagreed with him? Whatever; forget all those “free market” commitments.

Extorting a crucial foreign ally, or governors overseeing a crisis, for personal political gain? Meh.

Same with the piles of money given to Trump by corporate lobbyists and foreign governments through his private businesses while he occupied the White House.

And of course: Even encouraging a coup attempt, during which Trump apparently endorsed his followers’ threats to execute other Republicans, was somehow within bounds.


So perhaps it should not be surprising that when Trump was found last week to have absconded with classified documents, erstwhile national security hawks still rushed to defend him.

Republicans who once claimed to “back the blue” now smear federal law enforcement and fundraise off calls to “DEFUND THE FBI.”


And when Trump was implicated in possible violations of the Espionage Act, at least one GOP official responded by recommending repeal of the Espionage Act.

It’s a new spin on an old Nixonian saw: When the president does it, it’s not illegal — or at least it won’t be for much longer.

It can be hard to understand why Republican politicians would so profoundly, repeatedly, abase themselves before Trump, particularly when he never returns the favor.

Perhaps they’re just in awe of his political intuition. It must have taken a lot of foresight, after all, for Trump to declassify documents that the FBI would later plant at his house!…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/16/trump-crime-gop-support/

I would say that some Republican politicians have distanced themselves but very few Republican voters have.