What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[MT15]

And WinRed, which seems to be the main GOP online fundraiser is still doing the pre-checked recurring donation box. I just clicked a link on this website and once my fake email and phone number were entered: this came up.

the $250 box was bouncing up and down. And the first yellow box is pre-checked to make it a recurring donation. Bunch of grifters.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

And WinRed, which seems to be the main GOP online fundraiser is still doing the pre-checked recurring donation box. I just clicked a link on this website and once my fake email and phone number were entered: this came up.

the $250 box was bouncing up and down. And the first yellow box is pre-checked to make it a recurring donation. Bunch of grifters.

Wasn't there legal action taken over that?

 

[MT15]

I don’t know. Obviously they (GOP) are still doing it. It’s a very Trump-like grift.

 

[Optimus Prime]

New book coming out explaining what happened to the Republican Party

If we ever resurrect our short lived book club this sounds like it would be a good one
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How far back you travel to explain the hold that Donald Trump exerts over the Republican Party depends on whether you prefer to prosecute the present or interrogate the past.

Do you look back to Jan. 6, 2021, to see the lengths to which believers believe and enablers deny?

Or to Charlottesville, to see the depths? Do you start with the escalator ride at Trump Tower in 2015, or with the torn illusions of the Great Recession and 9/11?

Do you point to harbingers such as Sarah Palin’s death panels, Newt Gingrich’s Contract With America or Pat Buchanan’s cultural war?

Do you dig up the roots of MAGA in Richard Nixon’s silent majority or Barry Goldwater’s forgotten America?

You can always go deeper in the endless game of How did we get here, a query both sage and lazy, and one that in the practicalities of book form is constrained only by an author’s knowledge, time or imagination…….

The Trump era in American politics can feel uniquely disruptive, but Peters highlights earlier episodes that, put together, leave Trump looking like an inevitable outcome rather than an unlikely outlier.

Palin’s selection for the Republican Party’s 2008 vice-presidential nomination was the “tip of the spear” for the emergence of voters obsessed with cultural resentments rather than the moral and economic issues that had supposedly animated the party.

At the time, Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio, a recurring character of Peters’s, catalogued these voters as “Dennis Miller Republicans,” after the comedian and television personality, an early trigger-the-libber whom Peters calls the “ultimate aggrieved white alpha male.”

Years later, Fabrizio would serve as Trump’s 2016 pollster, and just weeks after the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol he pinpointed a new demographic of party faithful — “the 'Infowars’ Republicans,” those who believe in at least four of the baseless theories spread by QAnon.

By his survey, such Republicans account for 10 percent of the GOP electorate. The journey from Dennis Miller Republicans to Infowars Republicans is, to a significant degree, the story of Peters’s book………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/02/03/insurgency-jeremy-peters/

 

[Otis Mayfield]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

You can't have more than two parties if you want to win.

If Republicans split their party into trump Republicans and non-trump Republicans, they'll never will another election.

So that's reason enough for them to stick together.

 

[SamAndreas]

Laura and I are watching the scenes of mayhem unfolding at the seat of our Nation’s government in disbelief and dismay. It is a sickening and heartbreaking sight. This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic – not our democratic republic. I am appalled by the reckless behavior of some political leaders since the election and by the lack of respect shown today for our institutions, our traditions, and our law enforcement. The violent assault on the Capitol – and disruption of a Constitutionally-mandated meeting of Congress – was undertaken by people whose passions have been inflamed by falsehoods and false hopes. Insurrection could do grave damage to our Nation and reputation. In the United States of America, it is the fundamental responsibility of every patriotic citizen to support the rule of law. To those who are disappointed in the results of the election: Our country is more important than the politics of the moment. Let the officials elected by the people fulfill their duties and represent our voices in peace and safety. May God continue to bless the United States of America.

-- President George Bush

Statement by President George W. Bush on Insurrection at the Capitol | George W. Bush Presidential Center

www.bushcenter.org

"The violent assault on the Capitol – and disruption of a Constitutionally-mandated meeting of Congress – was undertaken by people whose passions have been inflamed by falsehoods and false hopes. "


So that's President George Bush saying trump lied to the Jan 6th rioters.

I remember about a year after Obama was elected that Bush asked "miss me yet". I didn't miss him at that point.

It wasn't until Trump was in office that I missed those gnarly Bushes and tricky Nixon.

 

[MT15]

You can't have more than two parties if you want to win.

If Republicans split their party into trump Republicans and non-trump Republicans, they'll never will another election.

So that's reason enough for them to stick together.

At what cost to their principles? This is what has confounded me - how can anyone who considers themselves morally principled and conservative follow Trump? Or go along with his lies and anti-American crap?

This is why I voted straight ticket in November 2020 for the very first time in my entire life. And I will continue to do so until the R party comes to its senses, or gets replaced by something less toxic and damaging to our country. It would take an extraordinary circumstance to get me to vote for a Republican for dog-catcher at this point.

 

[H B Lowrey]

At what cost to their principles? This is what has confounded me - how can anyone who considers themselves morally principled and conservative follow Trump? Or go along with his lies and anti-American crap?

This is why I voted straight ticket in November 2020 for the very first time in my entire life. And I will continue to do so until the R party comes to its senses, or gets replaced by something less toxic and damaging to our country. It would take an extraordinary circumstance to get me to vote for a Republican for dog-catcher at this point.

What principles? Eisenhower and Goldwater are long gone. There are no principles unless you wish to consider white supremacy/nationalism.

 

[Optimus Prime]

We’ll, this sounds like a good idea
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Kevin McCarthy and his House Republican leadership team have called on Newt Gingrich to advise them on their midterm election strategy, The Post’s Jeff Stein and Laura Meckler reported recently.


Man of No Principles hires Man of Low Character: What could possibly go wrong?


But the choice is perfect, in a way unintended by the upwardly failing McCarthy. Gingrich, leader of the Republican Revolution of 1994, bears a singular responsibility for precipitating the ruin of the American political system.

So it’s appropriate that he is returning for what might be American democracy’s final act.


Before and during his four-year reign as speaker of the House, Gingrich pioneered much of the savagery we see today: treating opponents as criminals, un-American and subhuman; using shocking language; perpetrating a grinding attack on the press; and sabotaging government operations and institutions.

McCarthy has a famous weakness for strongmen. First, he was Donald Trump’s “my Kevin.” Now, he’s a disciple of Trump’s demagogic progenitor.


Right on cue, Gingrich displayed his anti-democratic instincts. He said on — where else? — Fox News that if Republicans regain the majority in the House, lawmakers on the Jan. 6 investigative committee are “going to face a real risk of jail for the kind of laws they are breaking.”


Threatening to imprison opponents for unspecified crimes? The hallmark of authoritarians everywhere. And vintage Gingrich.


Three decades before Trump inspired supporters to chant “Lock her up!” Gingrich popularized the idea that Democrats weren’t just wrong — they were criminals. They didn’t just disagree — they were corrupt and anti-American……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/04/newt-gingrich-started-us-road-ruin-now-hes-back-finish-job/

 

[Taurus]

It's going to be fun watching Biden and Harris be impeached and convicted over and over. (But not with enough votes to actually remove them, probably. Who knows, Manchin and Sinema might give 'em the numbers they need.)

And by fun I mean tragic.

 

[zztop]

At what cost to their principles? This is what has confounded me - how can anyone who considers themselves morally principled and conservative follow Trump? Or go along with his lies and anti-American crap?

Back when the whole Stormy Daniels thing came out, the head of the evangelicals was interviewed and asked how they could still support Trump. He basically said "we'll give him a mulligan".

Tony Perkins: Trump Gets ‘a Mulligan’ on Life, Stormy Daniels

The Family Research Council head says that evangelicals are willing to overlook Trump’s past behavior so long as he delivers for them on policy.

www.politico.com

Seems like people are willing to look the other way as long as that person advances their agenda.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Back when the whole Stormy Daniels thing came out, the head of the evangelicals was interviewed and asked how they could still support Trump. He basically said "we'll give him a mulligan".

Seems like people are willing to look the other way as long as that person advances their agenda.

Isn't the phrase for that "Sold your soul to the Devil"?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

In my book there is little difference between authoritarians and the overly-religious. Most rational people know the religious right barely conform with the teachings of Jesus. It is simply a perversion of religion to justify political/social beliefs.

 

[MT15]

I do not remember hearing about Thiel’s argument against democracy.

 

[MT15]

Now this. A lot of “former” positions on this list, these people feel like they have no party any longer. Maybe they will form a third party.

 

[Taurus]

Now this. A lot of “former” positions on this list, these people feel like they have no party any longer. Maybe they will form a third party.

If they don't support and vote for Democrats, it's all just bullshirt theater.

 

[MT15]

Even if they don’t vote for democrats, if they can drag some of the R centrists with them to vote third party, the democrats will win. I know several people who voted for Trump who really hate him but won’t vote for a democrat.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Republican Senate primary candidate in Arizona has been condemned for a “disgusting” campaign ad in which he shoots at lookalike actors portraying Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and the incumbent Arizona senator Mark Kelly.

Jim Lamon, an energy executive, shared the ad on Twitter, saying it would be aired at this year’s Super Bowl…..

‘Disgusting’: Republican Senate hopeful condemned over ‘showdown’ TV ad

Jim Lamon’s ad depicts ‘shootout’ with Democrats including Mark Kelly, senator whose wife Gabby Giffords was shot in deadly attack

www.theguardian.com