What happens to the Democratic Party now? (4 Viewers)

[Heathen]

I’m sure much of us are having 2016 flashbacks this morning with a sick feeling to our stomachs..

2 of the last 3 elections Democrats have lost to a far right demagogue

Harris didn’t get close in many states to even Biden’s performance. We could very well lose the Presidency, Senate AND House depending on results the next few days…..

What went wrong?
What could’ve been done better?
What can we change in the future to ensure voters are motivated like they were when Obama was elected?

Democrats have no choice but to admit there’s a huge problem with some aspect of their platform— and to do a deep introspection of what’s going wrong..

 

[horse2H5]

Saying someone is deranged is indeed an insult. Wonder why you think it isn’t.

Read the TOS. You can disagree with someone’s views - call the ideas untrue or false or silly or dumb. But that’s different than insulting the person. When you say someone is suffering from TDS it is a personal insult.

The moderation here doesn’t have a hair trigger, but it does work.

Got it. I just hope it is consistent.

If I would have said, "attitudes like that lead to TDS". Would that be acceptable?

 

[MT15]

So the owners of the companies are lying. Got it.

Elon Musk and Twitter Reach Deal for Sale

Elon Musk struck a deal on Monday to buy Twitter for roughly $44 billion, in a victory by the world’s richest man to take over the influential social network frequented by world leaders, celebrities and cultural trendsetters.Twitter agreed to sell itself to Mr. Musk for $54.20 a share, a 38...

madaboutpolitics.com

Just read this thread. All of you admit to suppression via how upset you are by what is allowed now on X.

I didn’t say the owners were lying, what I said was you’ve been misled by RW media accounts of this issue. It doesn’t surprise me.

I don’t need to read the thread, I lived through it.

Your last sentence doesn’t make any sense to me. People that are upset when there is rampant racism, misogyny, homophobia, and bigotry promoted on a social media platform is a bad thing?

Got it. I just hope it is consistent.

If I would have said, "attitudes like that lead to TDS". Would that be acceptable?

you should ask a mod. Personally, I think the entire idea that something like TDS exists is pretty silly and a good sign that the person promoting this idea probably shouldn’t be taken as a serious person. It’s basically a way to troll. But that’s just my opinion.

 

[horse2H5]

I didn’t say the owners were lying, what I said was you’ve been misled by RW media accounts of this issue. It doesn’t surprise me.

I don’t need to read the thread, I lived through it.

Your last sentence doesn’t make any sense to me. People that are upset when there is rampant racism, misogyny, homophobia, and bigotry promoted on a social media platform is a bad thing?

you should ask a mod. Personally, I think the entire idea that something like TDS exists is pretty silly and a good sign that the person promoting this idea probably shouldn’t be taken as a serious person. It’s basically a way to troll. But that’s just my opinion.

You said there was no suppression. The owners of the 2 biggest entities said other wise. Would you like me to link the Zuckerberg statement?

Being upset is one thing. Suppressing their opinion because you disagree with it is anti-american. You know with this first amendment thing. The owners of the companies are free to do whatever they want as they are the owners. That doesn't mean it didn't have a tremendous impact on the election.

Are you denying that Elon buying twitter impacted 2024 election?

 

[MT15]

You said there was no suppression.

No, that’s not what I said. I said it wasn’t all one way - which is what you claimed. I think the requests were heeded less than half the time for both sides, IIRC.

Suppressing their opinion because you disagree with it is anti-american. You know with this first amendment thing.

What Twitter allows or doesn’t has zero to do with the First Amendment. This was a common mistake made by at least one of the posters who are no longer here. Twitter can suppress whatever they want and it won’t violate anyone’s First Amendment rights. Funny that you share that mistake, isn’t it?

 

[horse2H5]

No, that’s not what I said. I said it wasn’t all one way - which is what you claimed. I think the requests were heeded less than half the time for both sides, IIRC.



What Twitter allows or doesn’t has zero to do with the First Amendment. This was a common mistake made by at least one of the posters who are no longer here. Twitter can suppress whatever they want and it won’t violate anyone’s First Amendment rights. Funny that you share that mistake, isn’t it?

I don't disagree with you. I am just saying it is anti-american. And when it influences elections it is real. I am just happy my side controls it now.

 

[MT15]

I don't disagree with you. I am just saying it is anti-american. And when it influences elections it is real. I am just happy my side controls it now.

Are you saying “your side” is for the racist etc comments? It’s anti-American to want to stop racism, misogyny, homophobia and religious bigotry from being glorified?

 

[horse2H5]

Are you saying “your side” is for the racist etc comments? It’s anti-American to want to stop racism, misogyny, homophobia and religious bigotry from being glorified?

it is anti-american to suppress speech. Just because you don't agree with it or because it is hurtful, doesn't mean you have a right to suppress it. I am happy my side controls social media so as to never have a 2020 again.

 

[horse2H5]

Meta to replace 'biased' fact-checkers with moderation by users

Meta says its platforms will instead rely on "community notes" from its users, an approach pioneered by X.

www.bbc.com

Meta's blog post said it would also "undo the mission creep" of rules and policies.

"It's not right that things can be said on TV or the floor of Congress, but not on our platforms," it added.

 

[J-DONK]

Republicans may have requested, but the suppression was all one way.

WRONG

Twitter granted requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign to remove content in 2020, report says

Elon Musk has only condemned the Biden campaign, despite the report he hyped showing the Trump White House also requested that Twitter remove content.

www.businessinsider.com

Not only did zuck talk about covid in congress, but recently on Rogan he talked about DEI, Biden laptop etc. being sensored.

Zuck talked about the FBI misinformation warning as the basis of thier Biden laptop censorship. Who was the head of the DOJ at the time? You think corporate media is liberal, is the FBI as well? If the answer is yes, how does that reconcile with the Comey letter in 2016?

The most hilarious thing about this if you digged hard enough on this board. You would find be blasting Twitter over the Biden laptop story when it dropped. Then I changed my tune when the twitter files dropped, and largely exonerated them.

 

[MT15]

it is anti-american to suppress speech. Just because you don't agree with it or because it is hurtful, doesn't mean you have a right to suppress it. I am happy my side controls social media so as to never have a 2020 again.

Musk suppresses speech on Twitter all the time. He just allows what he wants - and agrees with - and censors what he doesn’t like.

Now - that is his right. But it isn’t any different than what you are saying is anti-American. It just is suppressing what you don’t want to read, so you approve.

It’s a hypocritical stance, to be blunt.

 

[horse2H5]

WRONG

Twitter granted requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign to remove content in 2020, report says

Elon Musk has only condemned the Biden campaign, despite the report he hyped showing the Trump White House also requested that Twitter remove content.

www.businessinsider.com

Zuck talked about the FBI misinformation warning as the basis of thier Biden laptop censorship. Who was the head of the DOJ at the time? You think corporate media is liberal, is the FBI as well? If the answer is yes, how does that reconcile with the Comey letter in 2016?

The most hilarious thing about this if you digged hard enough on this board. You would find be lasting Twitter over the Biden laptop story when it dropped. Then I changed my tune when the twitter files dropped, and largely exonerated them.

Did I mention the DOJ?

Did you answer my question and I missed it. Do you think the legacy media, slants left, right or middle? Very simple question. You can have an opinion, then you can look at the statistics on coverage in the last campaign for the truth. TRUMP won because of Twitter, YouTube, Twitch oh and the UFC!

 

[horse2H5]

Musk suppresses speech on Twitter all the time. He just allows what he wants - and agrees with - and censors what he doesn’t like.

Now - that is his right. But it isn’t any different than what you are saying is anti-American. It just is suppressing what you don’t want to read, so you approve.

It’s a hypocritical stance, to be blunt.

I don't understand what you are saying. In 2020, if I were to get on twitter and say that men should not compete in girls sports, I would get banned. Are you denying this? Are you denying if I said transgender is mental disease, I would have been banned?

 

[MT15]

I don't understand what you are saying. In 2020, if I were to get on twitter and say that men should not compete in girls sports, I would get banned. Are you denying this? Are you denying if I said transgender is mental disease, I would have been banned?

No, what I am saying is that Musk is removing posts he finds objectionable. He’s doing exactly what you claim to think is “anti-American” but you don’t mind because you agree with what he is leaving on there. You don’t care that he censors people you disagree with.

 

[horse2H5]

No, what I am saying is that Musk is removing posts he finds objectionable. He’s doing exactly what you claim to think is “anti-American” but you don’t mind because you agree with what he is leaving on there. You don’t care that he censors people you disagree with.

You think Musk is silencing his political adversaries in the same manner as Facebook and twitter in 2020? Really? I can find plenty hate speech coming from liberals everyday. What are you talking about?

 

[J-DONK]

Did I mention the DOJ?

Oh no you're not getting off with this kind statement. Let's go throught this. YOU brought up Zuckerburg, and facebook censsorship. YOU used the Hunter Biden laptop story as an example.

Zuckerberg said years ago, that was based on the FBI warning. Trump was president at the time.

To break it down:

A warning from a conserative LEO org, headed by a conserative adminstration was a liberal plot to supress conseratives. You asserted that, not me.

You didn't mention the DoJ because you have no idea of the facts.

Did you answer my question and I missed it. Do you think the legacy media, slants left, right or middle? Very simple question. You can have an opinion, then you can look at the statistics on coverage in the last campaign for the truth. TRUMP won because of Twitter, YouTube, Twitch oh and the UFC!

Donald Trump got billions of free media coverage every cycle. Here is the politifact for 2016.

John Kasich calls out Donald Trump's '$1.8 billion worth of free media'

Part of the reason billionaire Donald Trump is enjoying such a lead in the GOP presidential primary is because he hasn’t

www.politifact.com

 

[J-DONK]

I don't understand what you are saying. In 2020, if I were to get on twitter and say that men should not compete in girls sports, I would get banned. Are you denying this? Are you denying if I said transgender is mental disease, I would have been banned?

Why do you confidently share misinformation? This did not get Ben Shapiro banned. Persecution fetish is going strong.



Edit add here is another:

 

[MT15]

You think Musk is silencing his political adversaries in the same manner as Facebook and twitter in 2020? Really? I can find plenty hate speech coming from liberals everyday. What are you talking about?

A 2-second Google search - feel free to read any of these articles. Continues in next post.

 

[MT15]