Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[DaveXA]

Has anyone seen oye/ayo lately?

id love to hear his opinions on all this

Pretty sure he was on SR a couple of days ago. But I agree. I'm interested as well.

 

[MT15]

And...here’s the retired officer



His interview is a real doozy. He claims that he entered the Capitol thinking it was okay for him to be there, claims he never entered Pelosi’s office when the video shows him walking out, and says he found the zip ties on the floor and was taking them to give them to an officer.

 

[MT15]

There are going to be a lot of these guys, looks like

 

[SystemShock]

You're stereotyping and essentializing people based on how they vote.

Why, yes.

Voting for Trump is a mistake, but people make mistakes for various reasons.

And if you make a mistake, is it unreasonable to expect some sort of consequence?

Did 74+ million Americans organize on the internet to storm the capitol? Did 74+ million plus storm the capitol? Are all 74+ million of those voters believers in QAnon and members of Parlor? Do they all spread misinformation? Do they include every conservative in America?

Those are a lot of questions which miss the point. Let me ask you, if Trump only got, say 50 million votes to Biden's 80+ million, do you think there is a stolen election narrative? How about only 40 million? 30 million?

The reality is, the votes of millions of those nice stable conservatives enabled this debacle. They heard the speeches, they saw the behavior, the indictments, heard the nods to white supremacists, the nods to QAnon, for 5 freaking years, yet they still went into the voting booth and voted for Trump.

So, yeah, stereotyping and "essentialiing" , I am.

 

[J-DONK]

And...here’s the retired officer



His interview is a real doozy. He claims that he entered the Capitol thinking it was okay for him to be there, claims he never entered Pelosi’s office when the video shows him walking out, and says he found the zip ties on the floor and was taking them to give them to an officer.

It's insane how many of these guys have already been identified by the internet.

 

[The moose]

It's insane how many of these guys have already been identified by the internet.

That is because people find it fun doing so.

I forgot the instagram but they have one and it is beautiful

Here is an article see if you know anyone.

This Instagram account is working to identify the Capitol terrorists

While the FBI investigates the insurrection, Instagram account @homegrownterrorists is doing some crowdsourced sleuthing of its own.

www.inputmag.com

 

[GrandAdmiral]

 

[LA - L.A.]

Those are a lot of questions which miss the point.

All of my questions were on point. Let's recount:

• In response to Apple and Google pulling the Parlor app from their stores, Brandon said that conservatives were getting their due.
• I said we should be more precise that it was the radical and fanatical conservatives on Parlor getting their due and that not all conservatives are radical and fanatical nor do they all use Parlor or other social media outlets.
• You then responded to my post by saying that 74+ million people voted for Trump and generalized that every single one of them are radical and fanatical. That misses the point of Brandon's original comment and my response to him.
• I pointed out that most of the people who voted for Trump are not on Parlor nor are they posting radical and fanatical stuff on social media in general. I also pointed out that not all conservatives voted for Trump. I also pointed out that there are other misguided reasons that someone could have voted for Trump besides being a radical or fanatical conservative.

Stereotyping and essentializing are what have lead us to this hostile, polarized environment.

If one is cool with the current hostile, polarized environment. Then they have no reason to stop stereotyping and essentializing others.

If one is not cool with the current hostile, polarized environment, then one might consider not stereotyping and essentializing others, since that is what has caused and is perpetuating this hostile, polarized environment.

There are several posters here who consider themselves conservative. They vocally opposed Trump. They don't post all the radical and fanatical crap that's on Parlor and other social media outlets, in fact they denounce it.

Those conservative posters here on this site did not "get their due" because they didn't support Trump.

Some Mexicans are murderers and rapists. Were you cool with Trump stereotyping all Mexicans as drug thugs, murderers and rapists? Did you think that was accurate, reasonable, justified and helpful?

If you were not, then it's hypocritical to be doing the same thing to all conservatives. It's also factually inaccurate. Don't facts matter?

Those were both rhetorical questions. I just wanted to clarify the original comment that was made by Brandon and my response specifically to the comment he made. I'm not going to get into an alligator roll over this.

 

[brandon]

No, the Trumpers are getting their due. Conservatives are doing fine. Thanks.

Let's be precise, radical, conservative fanatics are getting their due. I would really like people to make more of an effort to be precise in both their thinking and their language. We need to individually help reverse the trend of stereotyping and essentializing individuals based on having any association or affiliation with a group.

Trump got 74+ million votes. Unless you think all of them are radical, conservative fanatics.... Everyone who votes R as a matter of principle, no matter how horrible the candidate is, they all got their due

You're stereotyping and essentializing people based on how they vote. Voting for Trump is a mistake, but people make mistakes for various reasons.

Did 74+ million Americans organize on the internet to storm the capitol? Did 74+ million plus storm the capitol? Are all 74+ million of those voters believers in QAnon and members of Parlor? Do they all spread misinformation? Do they include every conservative in America?

I just want to touch on this topic, a bit.

I actually did give careful consideration to using “conservatives” versus “radical conservatives” or “extremists,” etc. I actually had “radical conservatives” first, then deleted it.

Note first that my post is in relation to Parler being deleted from the Google Play/App stores. How many conservatives do you know recently that made their intentions known about “leaving” Facebook and Twitter to go to Parler because they were tired of their speech being oppressed? Because I saw MANY of them, all of whom I would definitely NOT consider extremists. None of them marched at the Capitol, but their tacit support for extremism (by moving to an app like Parler as a protest) means that they’re getting their due.

On the discussion of “conservatives” who “made mistakes”: if you voted for Trump the first time and regretted it and voted for Biden this time, I could agree that you made a mistake for which you were cognizant and remorseful. If you’re a conservative who voted for him twice, even if you’re remorseful now, you deserve what you’re getting. I know plenty of people who voted for him twice, aren’t extremists, and are conservatives. Their second vote is their own fault because after four years, they absolutely knew what they were voting for, and this is their due. Also, part of voting for Trump the first time was the loss of the house, senate, and president. That’s what those who voted for him the first time were due.

Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz, and Lindsey Graham, among the many other conservatives who, while they were never really Trumpists, hitched their wagons to Trump for political expediency, are also getting their due. They have lost the house, senate, and presidency, and they also have blood on their hands for enabling for this long.

So if you weren’t a “NeverTrump” Republican, or at least a Republican who voted Biden the second time around, then I feel very comfortable in my assessment that you are getting what you deserve.

The extreme minority of “true conservatives” probably just need to come up with a new name to call yourself, because “conservative” has been tainted beyond use, like how the swastika was a symbol of peace before the nazis.

Thanks.

 

[brandon]

And...here’s the retired officer



His interview is a real doozy. He claims that he entered the Capitol thinking it was okay for him to be there, claims he never entered Pelosi’s office when the video shows him walking out, and says he found the zip ties on the floor and was taking them to give them to an officer.

But these are all ex-military. There’s no way ACTIVE military would do such a thing, because you only go crazy AFTER leaving the military.

There are going to be a lot of these guys, looks like

Ok well these guys were active police officers, but that doesn’t count, because it’s not the military.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I just want to touch on this topic, a bit.

I actually did give careful consideration to using “conservatives” versus “radical conservatives” or “extremists,” etc. I actually had “radical conservatives” first, then deleted it.

Note first that my post is in relation to Parler being deleted from the Google Play/App stores. How many conservatives do you know recently that made their intentions known about “leaving” Facebook and Twitter to go to Parler because they were tired of their speech being oppressed? Because I saw MANY of them, all of whom I would definitely NOT consider extremists. None of them marched at the Capitol, but their tacit support for extremism (by moving to an app like Parler as a protest) means that they’re getting their due.

On the discussion of “conservatives” who “made mistakes”: if you voted for Trump the first time and regretted it and voted for Biden this time, I could agree that you made a mistake for which you were cognizant and remorseful. If you’re a conservative who voted for him twice, even if you’re remorseful now, you deserve what you’re getting. I know plenty of people who voted for him twice, aren’t extremists, and are conservatives. Their second vote is their own fault because after four years, they absolutely knew what they were voting for, and this is their due. Also, part of voting for Trump the first time was the loss of the house, senate, and president. That’s what those who voted for him the first time were due.

Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz, and Lindsey Graham, among the many other conservatives who, while they were never really Trumpists, hitched their wagons to Trump for political expediency, are also getting their due. They have lost the house, senate, and presidency, and they also have blood on their hands for enabling for this long.

So if you weren’t a “NeverTrump” Republican, or at least a Republican who voted Biden the second time around, then I feel very comfortable in my assessment that you are getting what you deserve.

Thanks.

There are conservatives on this site that don't fit any of that and aren't getting any kind of due. When you're talking about racists, do you use white people and racists interchangeably? That's what you are doing with conservatives and everyone that voted for Trump. You are summarily prejudging people you don't even know.

I don't know any conservatives anywhere else on the internet, because I don't use any of those other sites. If I did, I would focus on each individual and not assign their traits are behaviors to every conservative in the country.

Just like I wouldn't say white people when talking about people who are racist or think all white people are racist because a lot of white people are racist.

 

[Dragon]

"Trump or war. Today. That simple."
"If you don't know how to shoot: You need to learn. NOW."
"we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents, and demand a recount."

How can comments like that NOT result in federal procecution of those who argue for this???

https://us.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/online-extremism-inauguration-capitol-invs/index.html

 

[brandon]

There are conservatives on this site that don't fit any of that and aren't getting any kind of due. When you're talking about racists, do you use white people and racists interchangeably? That's what you are doing with conservatives and everyone that voted for Trump. You are summarily prejudging people you don't even know.

I don't know any conservatives anywhere else on the internet, because I don't use any of those other sites. If I did, I would focus on each individual and not assign their traits are behaviors to every conservative in the country.

Just like I wouldn't say white people when talking about people who are racist or think all white people are racist because a lot of white people are racist.

I added a bit at the bottom that I think somewhat addresses this.

Time to call themselves something besides conservative, because they’re not getting that name back.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

But these are all ex-military. There’s no way ACTIVE military would do such a thing, because you only go crazy AFTER leaving the military.

Ok well these guys were active police officers, but that doesn’t count, because it’s not the military.

Actually, before he was "ex-military" he wasn't "ACTIVE military" or active duty (AD), he was a reservist. I urge you to ask around about the difference between the AD and the Res/NG. Either way, wake me up when an actual military unit act out against our nation.

 

[superchuck500]

That's it, that's my favorite thing ever!

My favorite thing about it is the time they took on the mustache.

 

[Xeno]

There are conservatives on this site that don't fit any of that and aren't getting any kind of due. When you're talking about racists, do you use white people and racists interchangeably? That's what you are doing with conservatives and everyone that voted for Trump. You are summarily prejudging people you don't even know.

I don't know any conservatives anywhere else on the internet, because I don't use any of those other sites. If I did, I would focus on each individual and not assign their traits are behaviors to every conservative in the country.

Just like I wouldn't say white people when talking about people who are racist or think all white people are racist because a lot of white people are racist.

If you voted for the racist, you're a racist. If you voted for the fascist, you're a fascist. If you voted for the conman, you got conned.

Donald Trump never hid what he is. He made it clear as day just like he has for the last forty years. Nobody can say they didn't know. There were so many people shouting it from day one of his candidacy, including other Republicans, that no one can say they just didn't hear these warnings.

Some percentage of his voters liked that about him, some percentage was apathetic about it and some percentage only cared about voting R against D.

 

[MT15]

I think we need to quit using conservative when we mean Trumpists. It’s a cult of personality, and they shouldn’t be allowed to appropriate the term conservative when they don’t really care a whit about conservative values.

I would put the entire Sedition Caucus into the Trumpist camp, as well as anyone who thinks the election was stolen.

 

[brandon]

Actually, before he was "ex-military" he wasn't "ACTIVE military" or active duty (AD), he was a reservist. I urge you to ask around about the difference between the AD and the Res/NG. Either way, wake me up when an actual military unit act out against our nation.

Let’s see.

Active duty is actively on duty.

Reservists are in reserve.

National Guard operates under the governor of the state they represent and can be federalized if needed.

Have I missed anything particularly relevant? Are you suggesting that NG/reservists are not military, do not have access to weapons, and are not trained in the tactics of the United States military?