Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[bdb13]

Wow.. Most of fhe ones i know wouldnt go as far as to say something as ‘controversial’ as that, i dont think.. but just not being as hardcore, and not having to put their political spin on EVERYTHING would be a big improvement, i think.. Dont want to get my hopes up though.

I almost don't expect that particular sentiment of his to last through tomorrow lol.. and he did say it to me on the phone and he didn't expect me to out him on the internet lol! but there's been definite progress for sure. Which has been nice.

He thought the election was really over awhile back so he wasn't completely bonkers which is different than a lot of them.. but I also do get the broader feeling that there is this significant segment out there that is breaking rather hard from Trump with how this is unfolding.

 

[The moose]

He is going to use @ flotus next or ask Barron for his Twitter password.

That was the third try already did flotus second and got blocked

 

[Xeno]

That was the third try already did flotus second and got blocked

 

[LA - L.A.]

App Store up next.

God damn the conservatives are finally getting their due.

Let's be precise, radical, conservative fanatics are getting their due. I would really like people to make more of an effort to be precise in both their thinking and their language. We need to individually help reverse the trend of stereotyping and essentializing individuals based on having any association or affiliation with a group.

 

[Neworleansfan]

So Levin said he suspended his Twitter account but it’s still up and looks like Limbaugh deleted his accounts. Snowflakes.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Lol he's so pathetic

He's jonesing for a rage and attention fix. He's about to become more unstable than he has ever been in his life. He'll have to turn to press conferences to get the attention he craves and I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a total rage induced meltdown on national television between now and the 20th.

 

[DaveXA]

We don't know if anyone in the military gave or followed an illegal order. We have no idea what discussions took place between Trump and members of the military.

Just look at the history of Vietnam, not only has the military historically followed illegal orders, they've actually given them. Vietnam is not the only historical example.

There is a lot of romanticizing of the military, just like there is a lot of romanticizing about war and military conflict. That's to be expected in a society and economy that is influenced and controlled by a military-industrial-congressional complex.

Well, Vietnam was 50 years ago. My dad was in the infantry there. He damn near died there. He seldom talks about it. Lost more than a few friends. Not much good came out of the Vietnam War. I haven't studied or learned about any specifically illegal orders taken or given other than what I've seen in a few movies. My dad sneers at most movies about Vietnam though. He's told me his experience was different in a lot of ways, so he's not a big war movie fan. I suspect its more about him not wanting to relive it though. Hard to say.

People are human, make mistakes and do stupid sheet. That includes people in the military. There's nothing to romanticize. That said, there is a code and there are expectations, but people don't always live up to those expectations. Soldiers get court martialed and imprisoned all the time. It's a relatively small percentage, but yeah.

I don't know what role Trump played in communications with the Pentagon about the Guard, but it's clear they should have been asked by the USCP to assist in providing security prior to the rally starting. Something we can't forget that may have factored into this was the DC mayor making a stink about the Guard being deployed last summer. I don't know if that was a factor, but it's something worth considering. I don't remember the number but over 300 Guard were already in DC directing traffic and such. They weren't available immediately because they didn't have the equipment they needed and had to all be picked up and taken to be outfitted. That was part of the delay. I'm not sure what happened with the MD and VA ones, but there was a delay in getting them there as well. Supposedly, Pence was the one who had to take point because Trump was too busy watching TV and I guess MIA from these communications. I don't know if he gave anyone a heads up. He's never been all that bright, so I'd be surprised if he actually coordinated anything. But like you said, we're speculating, so, who knows.

I'd like to see an investigation put together to get to the bottom of all this and those willingly participating in this mess pay the price for their involvement.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Appreciate the concern, but private corporations.

They are private corporations, but so was the meat packing plants, coal mines and other industries of the robber baron days.

The misinformation on the internet is a threat to societal mental health just like the conditions of the late 1800's to early 1900's was to societal physical health.

I don't think their point is that twitter should allow Trump back, I think they are expressing concern that these internet sites have way too much unregulated power over our society. We are going to have to regulate them to make sure they don't allow their platforms to be used for subversion and that they treat everyone (who's behaving honestly and responsibly) is treated equally and fairly,

 

[DaveXA]

Here is the retired military guy, he calls him male #2

I hope that idiot loses his pension and benefits, which likely would be substantial for him. Better yet, he should be charged with treason. Throw the book at him.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[DaveXA]

I guess those pro forma sessions aren't really sessions then.

 

[SystemShock]

Let's be precise, radical, conservative fanatics are getting their due. I would really like people to make more of an effort to be precise in both their thinking and their language. We need to individually help reverse the trend of stereotyping and essentializing individuals based on having any association or affiliation with a group.

Trump got 74+ million votes. Unless you think all of them are radical, conservative fanatics.... Everyone who votes R as a matter of principle, no matter how horrible the candidate is, they all got their due

 

[superchuck500]

I guess those pro forma sessions aren't really sessions then.

Here's quotes from the McConnell memo.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It might not seem like it, but they're not the only ones acting like adults. There are adults in both parties. I treat my my teenaged kids like adults, because they pretty much are now. My oldest son was a Trumper for a bit, but now he doesn't care for Trump at all without me having to tell him anything. He's still a conservatives and Republican though, even though I've left the party. People ultimately have to find their own way. We can agree to disagree and move on. That's what normal adults do. Congress needs to learn to do the same.

They have to get rid of the rabid tribalism though. Probably wishful thinking, oh well.

The comments were specifically about Republicans in Congress. Everyone in Congress is an adult. Every Republican who remained in Congress has at the very least enabled Trump, even Romney. I'm not going to get into a back and forth over whether or not that is "adult," but is without questioning enabling Trump. How do we look at people who enable and aid criminals and enemy combatants.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Here's quotes from the McConnell memo.

So, business as usual then.

 

[nolaspe]

Republican AGs group sent robocalls urging march to the Capitol

“At 1 p.m., we will march to the Capitol building and call on Congress to stop the steal,” said the voice on the recording, which was obtained by NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Eeyore]

I need ra for a ruling. Irony?

Woman trampled to death at U.S. Capitol held flag that read, “Don’t tread on me”

A pro-Trump rioter was trampled to death at the U.S. Capitol.

www.revolt.tv

 

[nolaspe]