Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Former New York mayor and presidential attorney Rudy Giuliani does not have $148 million.

    We know this because Giuliani has for some time been scrambling to manage his escalating debts, debts that include the rapidly increasing costs of the attorneys that he’s had to retain to defend him in court.

    One of his former attorneys is suing him for more than $1 million, but, given the events of the past 24 hours, that’s a relatively minor item among Giuliani’s problems.

    On Friday afternoon — as you almost certainly already know — a jury determined that Giuliani should pay $148 million to two Georgia election workers who he’d repeatedly claimed had helped undermine the 2020 election in favor of Joe Biden over President Donald Trump.

    That amount is 100 times what he owes his attorney, all because Giuliani, in service to Trump’s efforts to retain power despite losing that election, insisted on disparaging Ruby Freeman and her daughter Wandrea ArShaye “Shaye” Moss.

    Freeman and Moss sought $48 million. The jury thought they were owed far more than that.

    This massive penalty was modest compared to the settlement Fox News reached with Dominion Voting Systems because the channel’s hosts and guests repeatedly alleged that Dominion machines had facilitated election fraud. You’ll recall that in April, Fox agreed to pay more than $787 million, more than five times what Giuliani owes Freeman and Moss.


    Others also have paid for backing Trump’s false claims of having won the 2020 election. Earlier this year, the Guardian tallied the fines and restitution amounts levied against those who participated in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. At that point, nearly $900,000 was demanded from riot defendants.

    Combine those penalties, and the cost of Trump’s effort to retain power has cost his allies more than $936 million — without including attorney costs and other incidentals.

    Without including, too, the costs of the attorneys for the hundreds of other defendants in riot prosecutions, fake-elector cases or the indictments targeting Trump.

    Even without that, it’s an enormous amount of money, a sum that is hard for a normal person to grasp…….

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    Is Melty having trouble paying for meals? For limos? For hookers?

    If he's not living in a shoeblack-stained cardboard box, he's still got money.
    Throw the lying sack of failure in *jail* until he obeys the many subpoenas and comes clean with his finances.
     
    I imagine some of these people were hoodwinked. However, it doesn’t take much in the way of intelligence to have pegged all the stolen election talk as false. They went along and didn’t care if it was shady, IMO.

     
    MT15 said:
    I imagine some of these people were hoodwinked. However, it doesn’t take much in the way of intelligence to have pegged all the stolen election talk as false. They went along and didn’t care if it was shady, IMO.

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    I think it's clear that the guy being interviewed is full of shyte and is just covering his arse....

    "Contingency plan"? That is hilarious.....
     
    This is but one small example of the cowardice of the GOP. They don’t deserve to use the name of their party, they should have to call themselves something else entirely.

     
    Twenty-five percent of Americans say it is “probably” or “definitely” true that the FBI instigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, a false concept promoted by right-wing media and repeatedly denied by federal law enforcement, according to a new Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

    The Post-UMD poll finds a smaller 11 percent of the public overall thinks there is “solid evidence” that FBI operatives organized and encouraged the attack, while 13 percent say this is their “suspicion only.”

    Among Republicans, 34 percent say the FBI organized and encouraged the insurrection, compared with 30 percent of independents and 13 percent of Democrats.

    The results confirm that misinformation about Jan. 6 is widespread as the United States heads into a presidential election year, during a campaign in which the former president and leading 2024 Republican candidate Donald Trump has repeatedly expressed support for those who participated in the insurrection.

    Despite a detailed congressional investigation and more than 725 completed federal prosecutions of Jan. 6 participants that did not yield evidence of FBI involvement, a substantial minority of Americans still embrace conspiracy theories not unlike the ones that drove many rioters to storm the Capitol three years ago.

    “The people that went there to express their views, to support Trump, were peaceful,” said Richard Baum, 61, an independent voter from Odessa, Tex. “The government implants were the violent ones: the FBI, the police people that were put in there, the antifa and BLM hired by George Soros; everybody knows that.”

    The Post-UMD poll finds 39 percent of Americans who say Fox News is their primary news source believe the FBI organized and encouraged the Jan. 6 attack, compared with 16 percent of CNN or MSNBC viewers and 13 percent who get most of their news from ABC, CBS or NBC. The poll finds 44 percent of those who voted for Trump say the FBI instigated the attack.

    About 700 Jan. 6 defendants have pleaded guilty to federal crimes ranging from trespassing to violent assaults on police, and another 130 have been convicted at trial, after Trump directed angry supporters to march to the Capitol to oppose Congress’s confirmation of the 2020 election results. In numerous hearings and trials, attorneys for defendants — including “QAnon Shaman” Jacob Chansley and ex-Proud Boy leader Henry “Enrique” Tarrio — have blamed Trump for the attack or their behavior in subsequent rioting that day, citing Trump’s encouragement to “fight like hell” and his false claims of massive voter fraud.

    The FBI has categorically rejected allegations of any involvement in sparking the Capitol riot. “This notion that somehow the violence at the Capitol on January 6 was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources and agents is ludicrous,” FBI Director Christopher A. Wray said during a House hearing in July, “and is a disservice to our brave, hard-working, dedicated men and women.”

    But the vast legal and evidentiary record to date has not appeared to sway people such as Travis Garcia, 34, a Republican from Rock Falls, Ill., who said, “I’ve read and seen a lot about these people being affiliated with the FBI.” He cited a man who fits the description of Ray Epps, saying he was “trying to egg on violence before anything even happened.” Epps, who became a focus of a conspiracy theory that the federal government ignited the Capitol riot, has pleaded guilty to trespassing and filed suit against Fox News for falsely depicting him as an FBI operative..........

     
    A military lawyer who disputed the Army’s official account of the Pentagon’s response to the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the Capitol claims he is facing professional reprisal for telling Congress that superior officers had lied to lawmakers about both the riot and the Trump administration’s reaction to it..

    Earl G. Matthews, a colonel in the Army Reserve, said in an interview Wednesday that despite being identified as among the best qualified in a group of officers up for promotion to become a one-star general, he was denied advancement by military officials. He said officials were unhappy with his memorandum to lawmakers on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and the House select committee who concluded former president Donald Trump was to blame for his supporters’ “carnage” that day.

    Matthews’s allegation, outlined in a complaint he made several weeks ago to the Defense Department inspector general, marks the latest salvo in an unresolved dispute between the Army and the D.C. National Guard. The Guard’s leaders at the time of the attack have complained publicly that senior officials at the Pentagon failed to act with urgency as the crisis unfolded.

    In his December 2021 memorandum, Matthews criticized two senior Army officers, Gen. Charles Flynn and Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, as not acting more quickly during the riot. He described them as “absolute liars” for how they characterized that day to lawmakers. Flynn is the brother of Michael Flynn, a retired three-star general who, after Trump’s election loss to Joe Biden, was among those who advocated using the military to seize voting machines and rerun the 2020 election, the committee found.

    Matthews acknowledged Wednesday in an interview that he used “inflammatory language” in his memorandum, which was leaked to the media amid lawmakers’ investigation. But the document, his lawyers said in the complaint made to the inspector general, was a protected communication to Congress. Under the law, Army officials are barred from acts of reprisal against him, the lawyers said...........


     
    WASHINGTON — Nearly three years ago to the day, then-Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn came face to face with a violent mob of former President Donald Trump’s supporters. Now he hopes to join the ranks of lawmakers he tried to protect on that day and the many since.

    On Friday, the eve of the anniversary of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, Dunn launched a campaign in Maryland’s 3rd Congressional District, joining a crowded Democratic primary to replace retiring Democratic Rep. John Sarbanes.

    “Because of Jan. 6 and everything that happened afterwards, it’s clear how much of a threat the extinction of our democracy is — it’s very present right now,” Dunn said in a phone interview Thursday ahead of his announcement.

    “I do believe that we’re literally one election cycle away from the extinction of our democracy,” he added.

    Dunn, a 15-year veteran of the U.S. Capitol Police force, spent the months after the Capitol riot recounting his story from that day, when he was physically attacked by the mob, which also hurled racial slurs at him.

    Dunn delivered emotional testimony at the House Jan. 6 committee’s inaugural hearing, and he was often outspoken about the experience he and other officers had on that day. He participated in several congressional hearings and even wrote a book this fall pushing for accountability.

    Not far from the Capitol, Dunn has also been a frequent presence at the federal courthouse, where he has testified in and observed some of the more than 1,200 cases against Jan. 6 defendants that have been working their way through the court system. Dunn and some of his fellow officers showed up at former President Donald Trump's first court appearance in his Jan. 6 prosecution over the summer, and Dunn testified during the Oath Keepers seditious conspiracy trial in 2022.............

     
    MT15 said:
    This is but one small example of the cowardice of the GOP. They don’t deserve to use the name of their party, they should have to call themselves something else entirely.

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    The guy who resigned his position over the fraud Rebekah Jones and is trying to be the new Rupar needs to think about the glass house he lives in.

     
    SaintForLife said:
    The guy who resigned his position over the fraud Rebekah Jones and is trying to be the new Rupar needs to think about the glass house he lives in.

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    If he did that, and I don’t believe your sources for one second, he will make it right. Are we fine with Fuentes now, though? Is he a good example of a Trump supporter?
     
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    We must not let MAGA pretend what they did was normal. It was not. It was an attempt to overthrow an election.

     
    I remember when Twitter was full of people in the days before Jan 6 warning people to stay away from Washington, and not do a counter protest to MAGA. I do believe Trump wanted that, he wanted an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act - especially if there were anti-Trump demonstrators. It’s not hard to figure out that he would only do that if there were counter-protests. He wanted his people to break into the Capitol and delay the counting of Electoral Votes.

     
    This is a bold strategy

    The suit alleges that Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd was negligent when he fired at Babbitt, a supporter of former President Trump.

    “The facts speak truth. Ashli was ambushed when she was shot by Lt. Byrd,” the attorneys wrote, arguing that she traveled to Washington, D.C., only to attend Trump’s rally.

    “Ashli did not go to Washington as part of a group or for any unlawful or nefarious purpose,” they wrote, claiming Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, “posed no threat to the safety of anyone.”
     
    zztop said:
    This is a bold strategy

    The suit alleges that Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd was negligent when he fired at Babbitt, a supporter of former President Trump.

    “The facts speak truth. Ashli was ambushed when she was shot by Lt. Byrd,” the attorneys wrote, arguing that she traveled to Washington, D.C., only to attend Trump’s rally.

    “Ashli did not go to Washington as part of a group or for any unlawful or nefarious purpose,” they wrote, claiming Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, “posed no threat to the safety of anyone.”
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    Discovery will not be kind to her or her family. I’ve seen the video she made where she was ranting like a madwoman before she went to DC and threatening violence. I also don’t see how you can call it an ambush when she was moving through the window toward the Reps and police.
     

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