Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[MT15]

I think this may be the first arrest due to the newly released footage.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is disgusting, I never thought the day would come when one of our major parties would completely lose their sanity…..over one man, a man who has not one single characteristic/principle that you would want your kids to emulate (unless you are a feckless con or criminal)…..

Have you ever heard the theory that our reality and our existence is just a computer simulation?

Sometimes Trump feels like some sort or cosmic prank or evil social experiment to see just how much people will accept and defend, whoever’s running keeps making it worse and worse but people just keep on accepting and defending

Can you imagine the total meltdown if Obama in 2008 had said "I am your retribution"?

We've talked about in since 2015 on PDB it is absolutely crazy how many things Trump has said and done any one of which would have ended any other politician's or candidate's career and he just keeps plugging along (often gaining support to boot)

And how many are so bizarre and outlandish it really does seem like a joke

This is beyond Teflon Don and more like Battle Tank Don

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I think this may be the first arrest due to the newly released footage.

waiting on the Right to complain about this "we didn't release this footage to continue the witch hunt"

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I couldn't even finish. That woman is sickening.

 

[Bayouboy]

We've talked about in since 2015 on PDB it is absolutely crazy how many things Trump has said and done any one of which would have ended any other politician's or candidate's career and he just keeps plugging along (often gaining support to boot)

And how many are so bizarre and outlandish it really does seem like a joke

So what gives? I just don't understand it.

The biggest net loss for the American people is this behavior is now accepted. Eventually, Trump will be phased out or pass away, but his destruction of everything decent will live on. Some of the things Congressman (women) say in open chambers is disgusting and truly unbelievable. It's like we are living in the twilight zone or something. I truly do not understand how so many people support Trump and the people who act like him. Help me understand.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I couldn't even finish. That woman is sickening.

She is just an attention Whore like her god she worships who ignores her.

 

[SystemShock]

Look at all the damn Muslims!!

 

[Optimus Prime]

There is no mystery about the Capitol riot. There is nothing intangible, no unseen engine for what occurred. There is no uncertainty about what happened and why.
But because everything about what unfolded on Jan. 6, 2021, implicates the cultural leader of the Republican Party — and because pretending that a mystery exists benefits him — we approach the third anniversary of that day with renewed efforts to rewrite its history.

Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election and very obviously refused to accept it. Any questions about the legitimacy of the vote — stoked by Trump for years — evaporated within weeks, if not days. Many of his allies shifted to vague arguments about how the system was working against him. But Trump didn’t. He argued that there was fraud covered up by Trump haters and, with increasing desperation, demanded that his supporters in Washington and elsewhere rise to his defense.

A few hours after a heated Oval Office argument in which his team tried to figure out how to retain power, he shared a post on social media calling for supporters to come to Washington on Jan. 6. The day’s protest, he promised, would “be wild.” This message itself comes up repeatedly when looking at the triggers for participants to be at the Capitol on that day.

Thousands came. Trump, still trying to figure out how to block the certification of Joe Biden’s election, gave a speech to the crowd making more false claims about fraud, including debunked ones, and encouraged people to march to the Capitol. They did. There was a riot. People died. Scores of police officers were assaulted. A few hours later, Trump’s loss was formalized.

In short, the day’s violence was carried out by Trump supporters and supporters of Trump’s politics. They were there not only because Trump specified that day and place as the location of a “protest” but because he’d relentlessly argued that a protest was needed. The intent was explicitly to challenge the results of the 2020 election. That Trump used the word “peacefully” once in his speech is no more exculpatory than the fact that thousands of Trump supporters weren’t violent and didn’t enter the Capitol. There was violence and there were violent actors; they were there because Trump refused to accept that voters had rejected him.

There was a point at which this might have understandably seemed like the coda to Trump’s tenure in politics. Trump lost the election and then stoked a violent response to the transfer of power. History books, if not Hollywood, suggest an epilogue in which he spends his remaining years exiled to the wilderness.

But he was never exiled. Less than two weeks after Trump’s departure from Washington, the leader of the House Republican conference, seeking to solidify his own power, paid the former president a sycophantic visit. Since 2015, Republicans had figured out that even valid criticisms of Trump could be pivoted to his and their advantage, and the riot was no different. So they did and, 1,000 days after the riot, Trump found himself the clear front-runner for the Republican 2024 presidential nomination..................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/27/jan6-donald-trump-truth-lies/

 

[Taurus]

There is no mystery about the Capitol riot. There is nothing intangible, no unseen engine for what occurred. There is no uncertainty about what happened and why.
But because everything about what unfolded on Jan. 6, 2021, implicates the cultural leader of the Republican Party — and because pretending that a mystery exists benefits him — we approach the third anniversary of that day with renewed efforts to rewrite its history.

Donald Trump lost the 2020 presidential election and very obviously refused to accept it. Any questions about the legitimacy of the vote — stoked by Trump for years — evaporated within weeks, if not days. Many of his allies shifted to vague arguments about how the system was working against him. But Trump didn’t. He argued that there was fraud covered up by Trump haters and, with increasing desperation, demanded that his supporters in Washington and elsewhere rise to his defense.

A few hours after a heated Oval Office argument in which his team tried to figure out how to retain power, he shared a post on social media calling for supporters to come to Washington on Jan. 6. The day’s protest, he promised, would “be wild.” This message itself comes up repeatedly when looking at the triggers for participants to be at the Capitol on that day.

Thousands came. Trump, still trying to figure out how to block the certification of Joe Biden’s election, gave a speech to the crowd making more false claims about fraud, including debunked ones, and encouraged people to march to the Capitol. They did. There was a riot. People died. Scores of police officers were assaulted. A few hours later, Trump’s loss was formalized.

In short, the day’s violence was carried out by Trump supporters and supporters of Trump’s politics. They were there not only because Trump specified that day and place as the location of a “protest” but because he’d relentlessly argued that a protest was needed. The intent was explicitly to challenge the results of the 2020 election. That Trump used the word “peacefully” once in his speech is no more exculpatory than the fact that thousands of Trump supporters weren’t violent and didn’t enter the Capitol. There was violence and there were violent actors; they were there because Trump refused to accept that voters had rejected him.

There was a point at which this might have understandably seemed like the coda to Trump’s tenure in politics. Trump lost the election and then stoked a violent response to the transfer of power. History books, if not Hollywood, suggest an epilogue in which he spends his remaining years exiled to the wilderness.

But he was never exiled. Less than two weeks after Trump’s departure from Washington, the leader of the House Republican conference, seeking to solidify his own power, paid the former president a sycophantic visit. Since 2015, Republicans had figured out that even valid criticisms of Trump could be pivoted to his and their advantage, and the riot was no different. So they did and, 1,000 days after the riot, Trump found himself the clear front-runner for the Republican 2024 presidential nomination..................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/27/jan6-donald-trump-truth-lies/

Why Republicans want this remains unclear.

Trump is a loser. A fetid albatross around the neck of down-ballot candidates.
Not to mention what a boorish, uncouth dolt he is on a personal level.
The GOP has had two opportunities to be decisively rid of him and deliberately chose not to be.

While a certain part of me is thrilled to see the Republican party, the party of evil since Nixon, come apart at the seams, most of me is sad for the collateral damage the implosion will cause.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

So why hasn't all of the footage been rleased? Any why was it only some if it that was after touting it was gonna open everyone's eyes to the truth?? lol .. what a bunch of tools..

House Speaker Mike Johnson has not yet upheld his pledge to release 44,000 hours of footage from the Capitol riot. Johnson said on November 17 that he would release the complete archive of footage recorded when supporters of then-President Donald Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, to protest the results of the 2020 election.

MSN

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So why hasn't all of the footage been rleased? Any why was it only some if it that was after touting it was gonna open everyone's eyes to the truth?? lol .. what a bunch of tools..

Nope. He wants to protect the rioters from the mean Justice Department...

House Speaker Johnson wants to blur January 6 footage to protect Capitol rioters | CNN Politics

House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that before publicly releasing footage of the US Capitol attack on January 6, 2021, the faces of the mob will be blurred to protect them from the Justice Department.

www.cnn.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

even with the blurring, they still have no plans to release all the footage..

 

[MT15]

even with the blurring, they still have no plans to release all the footage..

That’s because the Sedition Hunters have done such a great job - they don’t need to always see their faces. They have cataloged clothing, weapons, patches, flags, shoes, etc. They can get faces from footage that is public of these people outside the Capitol because they often posted their own images on social media, then if they have a match inside the Capitol they turn it over to the FBI. Even if the face is blurred they can often still identify the criminals that Johnson wants to protect.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

yea they stuck their foot in their mouths by saying they'll release the footage. I wonder if they actually watched any of the unreleased footage before thinking it was gonna be a good idea on their part..

 

[GrandAdmiral]

even with the blurring, they still have no plans to release all the footage..

The whole argument of hiding faces from the DOJ is stupid. They already have the footage...

 

[MT15]

The whole argument of hiding faces from the DOJ is stupid. They already have the footage...

Correct, but I don’t think they have the manpower to do what Sedition Hunters does. But if Sedition Hunters documents identities by linking the released blurred footage with previous footage from social media and then presents it to the FBI, they will go ahead and arrest those individuals. And there are at least 1,000 people who have escaped justice so far. It should be a huge scandal that Johnson is protecting criminals.

 

[DaveXA]

Correct, but I don’t think they have the manpower to do what Sedition Hunters does. But if Sedition Hunters documents identities by linking the released blurred footage with previous footage from social media and then presents it to the FBI, they will go ahead and arrest those individuals. And there are at least 1,000 people who have escaped justice so far. It should be a huge scandal that Johnson is protecting criminals.

I doubt it's a manpower issue. They have the manpower. The issue is priorities and mission. They could use not only select experts and support staff along with the required technology, but there would have to be a broader directive that empowers them to dedicate an outsized allocation of resources. Hard to do that kind of thing without significant media scrutiny.

If there was enough will from leadership to get it done, they would. But whether they'd divert resources from other important projects and cases...idk.