Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Optimus Prime]

House of Representatives Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-California) sharing forty-four-thousand hours of footage from the January 6th, 2021 insurrection at the United States Capitol exclusively with Fox News host Tucker Carlson has ignited fierce backlash from Democrats and sparked intense national security concerns among experts. But a new conservative detractor has emerged – MyPillow Chief Executive Officer Mike Lindell – who is deeply mired in litigation stemming from his debunked conspiracy theories that the 2020 election was stolen from then-President Donald Trump.

On Thursday's edition of ex-Trump White House chief strategist and twice-convicted felon Steve Bannon's show War Room on the right-wing network Real America's Voice, Lindell revealed that he intends to sue McCarthy to gain access to what he believes is evidence that will vindicate him.

"I got breaking news with *the* Mike Lindell. Mike, what's the breaking news? You've got something you're about to file, I know you're sending a letter, I think preserve your documents or you're talking about a suit that you got incoming. Can you get us up to speed on it?" Bannon asked.

"Yeah it's as everybody knows, Kevin McCarthy and the gang released forty-four-thousand hours from January 6th to exclusively Fox News. Well, we're not going to sit back and let that happen. This is our First Amendment provision..." Lindell began before Bannon cut him off.................

MSN

 

[SaintForLife]

Another false equivalency. Maddow has a definite POV, but she doesn’t peddle lies like Tucker does. When she speculates, she disclaims it as speculation. There’s a definite difference, and all these journalists who pretend there isn’t one are doing is boosting the liars.

Maddow claimed the same thing that Tucker did in court.

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

greenwald.substack.com

Maddow was the Queen of the Steele Dossier. She pushed that BS more than anyone else on TV.

In a stunning takedown of MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple wrote Thursday that the liberal cable news star “rooted for” British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier, which served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump campaign official Carter Page, to be the smoking gun that would force the president out of office.

In an op-ed titled, “Rachel Maddow rooted for the Steele dossier to be true. Then it fell apart,” Wemple wrote, “She seemed to be rooting for the document.” He added, “As part of her Russianist phase, Maddow became a clearinghouse for news increments regarding the dossier.”

Washington Post media critic slams Rachel Maddow, says liberal host 'rooted' for Steele dossier

In a stunning takedown of MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple wrote Thursday that the liberal cable news star “rooted for” British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier, which served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump...

www.foxnews.com

 

[MT15]

You are so totally embarrassing, SFL. What you have posted is an OPINION piece where the guy said Maddow “seemed” to be rooting for the dossier to be true. Actually, no, you didn’t even do that. You posted a Fox News piece ABOUT an opinion piece from WaPo. So, I don’t trust anything Fox News says about their main competitor, and the original Op-Ed is behind a paywall now.

So this post is useless. Totally useless.

And, once again, parts of the dossier ARE true. Good lord, everything isn’t binary. It’s not all false or all true with no other options.

 

[DaveXA]

House of Representatives Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-California) sharing forty-four-thousand hours of footage from the January 6th, 2021 insurrection at the United States Capitol exclusively with Fox News host Tucker Carlson has ignited fierce backlash from Democrats and sparked intense national security concerns among experts. But a new conservative detractor has emerged – MyPillow Chief Executive Officer Mike Lindell – who is deeply mired in litigation stemming from his debunked conspiracy theories that the 2020 election was stolen from then-President Donald Trump.

On Thursday's edition of ex-Trump White House chief strategist and twice-convicted felon Steve Bannon's show War Room on the right-wing network Real America's Voice, Lindell revealed that he intends to sue McCarthy to gain access to what he believes is evidence that will vindicate him.

"I got breaking news with *the* Mike Lindell. Mike, what's the breaking news? You've got something you're about to file, I know you're sending a letter, I think preserve your documents or you're talking about a suit that you got incoming. Can you get us up to speed on it?" Bannon asked.

"Yeah it's as everybody knows, Kevin McCarthy and the gang released forty-four-thousand hours from January 6th to exclusively Fox News. Well, we're not going to sit back and let that happen. This is our First Amendment provision..." Lindell began before Bannon cut him off.................

MSN

What the heck! Lol.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A secret legal fight over the cellphone of Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.) has prevented the Justice Department for more than six months from reviewing more than 2,200 documents in the criminal investigation of former president Donald Trump and supporters’ efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, a federal judge disclosed Friday evening.


Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell of the U.S. District Court in D.C. released a number of previously sealed opinions after finding that the “powerful public interest” outweighed the need for secrecy in the constitutional battle over Perry’s claims and the historic investigation.


The Pennsylvania Republican has asserted that 2,219 documents contained on his phone are shielded by the Constitution’s “speech or debate” clause, which grants members of Congress immunity from criminal investigation in their official capacities.

But in a ruling in December, Howell rejected that claim for more than 90 percent of the records, ordering Perry to turn over 2,055 text messages, emails and attachments after concluding that they were only incidentally related to his status as a lawmaker, and not central to that status and constitutionally protected as part of his lawmaking.


“What is plain is that the Clause does not shield Rep. Perry’s random musings with private individuals touting an expertise in cybersecurity or political discussions with attorneys from a presidential campaign, or with state legislators concerning hearings before them about possible local election fraud or actions they could take to challenge election results in Pennsylvania,” Howell wrote………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/02/25/perry-phone-records-judge-jan6/

 

[SaintForLife]

You are so totally embarrassing, SFL. What you have posted is an OPINION piece where the guy said Maddow “seemed” to be rooting for the dossier to be true. Actually, no, you didn’t even do that. You posted a Fox News piece ABOUT an opinion piece from WaPo. So, I don’t trust anything Fox News says about their main competitor, and the original Op-Ed is behind a paywall now.

So this post is useless. Totally useless.

And, once again, parts of the dossier ARE true. Good lord, everything isn’t binary. It’s not all false or all true with no other options.

Wemple is the media critic for the Washington Post. I see you using your it's an opinion piece shtick to try to discredit it. I don't have a membership to the Washington Post and I would never waste my money on that. That's why I posted the Fox News article.

Maddow covered the Steele Dossier at nauseum.
Just a few examples. There are many more:







I'll let your buddy Matt to ask you the question. I bet you can't or won't even attempt to answer it


Horrowitz report:

 

[MT15]

I’m not watching those clips, but I will bet you that every time Maddow discussed the dossier, she disclaimed it as unproven. Every. Single. Time.

As I have said, ad nauseam, when Maddow is speculating, she tells you so. Explicitly. She is scrupulous about that. Taibbi doesn’t attribute his quote, nor present any context. As is his usual MO.

Taibbi is trying to pull a fast one, he’s saying, essentially, if you take out the true parts the entire dossier is a lie. It’s laughably transparent, and about what you would expect from someone who lives to spin and obfuscate.

Also, Fox News cannot be considered a serious source any longer. We have the texts and emails now that prove they don’t care about facts, or the truth. All they care about is giving their audience what they want, even when they know it’s a lie. They admitted it many times. Oh, and if a reporter does present something that is true that they want to lie about, they will try to get her fired.

 

[MT15]

There was so much to comment on in SFL’s post that I completely forgot the quite delicious hypocrisy of his response when I wanted to read the actual op-ed he was referencing instead of an article about the op-ed. Emphasis mine.

Wemple is the media critic for the Washington Post. I see you using your it's an opinion piece shtick to try to discredit it. I don't have a membership to the Washington Post and I would never waste my money on that. That's why I posted the Fox News article.

So, you think WaPo is garbage, except you think their media critic made an article criticizing someone you hate, so then it’s worth quoting? Except you haven’t even read the op-ed, just an article written by a news organization that has admitted to not caring about anything but feeding a certain political narrative to its audience.

This is why you get pushback.

 

[MT15]

Glad to see this. The exclusive release of the footage to Fox is just ridiculous and shouldn’t be allowed to stand:

 

[coldseat]

Glad to see this. The exclusive release of the footage to Fox is just ridiculous and shouldn’t be allowed to stand:

Hakim Jefferies should just request the tapes from the Capitol police and release it to the other media outlets himself. The cats already out of the bag anyway. Don't let Kevin and Tucker get their way with an exclusive and distort everything without retort.

 

[DaveXA]

Hakim Jefferies should just request the tapes from the Capitol police and release it to the other media outlets himself. The cats already out of the bag anyway. Don't let Kevin and Tucker get their way with an exclusive and distort everything without retort.

Absolutely, what's good for the goose and all that.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Edit - Bolding mine - really Kevin? "Who's more trustworthy than Tucker Carlson?"
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House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Tuesday defended his decision to give conservative TV host Tucker Carlson access to roughly 40,000 hours of security footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, telling reporters that the footage will soon be released broadly and that his office is taking measures to address concerns about security risks.


“It almost seems like the press is jealous,” McCarthy said in a one-on-one interview with The Washington Post. “And that’s interesting because every person in the press works off exclusives on certain things.

“People like exclusives, and Tucker is someone that’s been asking for it,” said McCarthy, who characterized Carlson’s style of journalism as “opinion,” not news. “So I let him come in and see it, but everyone’s gonna get it.”

McCarthy has avoided repeated questions from reporters about his agreement with Carlson since the Fox News host announced last week that his team had access to security footage.

Several media organizations, including The Washington Post, sent letters to McCarthy requesting the same access and raising concerns “that an ideologically based narrative of an already polarizing event will take hold in the public consciousness.”


Democrats have pilloried McCarthy’s decision to share the footage with Carlson, who has repeatedly downplayed the deadly violence that occurred during the Jan. 6 attack. They also have raised concerns that broad access to the footage could raise security risks by revealing the locations of cameras on the Capitol complex.

McCarthy downplayed those concerns Tuesday, saying Carlson specifically said he did not want to include footage documenting exit routes of the U.S. Capitol. McCarthy added that he has been in consultation with U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) on the release of the footage and dismissed concerns that Carlson will mislead viewers about the events of the day.

A spokesperson from the USCP would not confirm McCarthy’s assertion that he or Carlson’s team are requesting security review of any footage that may be used on his show.

Fox News did not immediately respond to a request for comment……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/28/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-jan-6-footage/

 

[bird]

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) on Tuesday defended his decision to give conservative TV host Tucker Carlson access to roughly 40,000 hours of security footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, telling reporters that the footage will soon be released broadly and that his office is taking measures to address concerns about security risks.


“It almost seems like the press is jealous,” McCarthy said in a one-on-one interview with The Washington Post. “And that’s interesting because every person in the press works off exclusives on certain things.

“People like exclusives, and Tucker is someone that’s been asking for it,” said McCarthy, who characterized Carlson’s style of journalism as “opinion,” not news. “So I let him come in and see it, but everyone’s gonna get it.”

McCarthy has avoided repeated questions from reporters about his agreement with Carlson since the Fox News host announced last week that his team had access to security footage.

Several media organizations, including The Washington Post, sent letters to McCarthy requesting the same access and raising concerns “that an ideologically based narrative of an already polarizing event will take hold in the public consciousness.”


Democrats have pilloried McCarthy’s decision to share the footage with Carlson, who has repeatedly downplayed the deadly violence that occurred during the Jan. 6 attack. They also have raised concerns that broad access to the footage could raise security risks by revealing the locations of cameras on the Capitol complex.

McCarthy downplayed those concerns Tuesday, saying Carlson specifically said he did not want to include footage documenting exit routes of the U.S. Capitol. McCarthy added that he has been in consultation with U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) on the release of the footage and dismissed concerns that Carlson will mislead viewers about the events of the day.

A spokesperson from the USCP would not confirm McCarthy’s assertion that he or Carlson’s team are requesting security review of any footage that may be used on his show.

Fox News did not immediately respond to a request for comment……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/28/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-jan-6-footage/

Geez, what an azzhat McCarthy is. The DOJ should require that the film get turned over to other media outlets.

 

[MT15]

Some of the crazy Republicans are hosting Jan. 6 rioters at the Capitol?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Meanwhile MTG is trying to push a bill that makes Antifa "domestic terroists".. But hey, these insurrectionists are great! lets give them awards!

 

[SamAndreas]

Maddow claimed the same thing that Tucker did in court.

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

greenwald.substack.com

Maddow was the Queen of the Steele Dossier. She pushed that BS more than anyone else on TV.

In a stunning takedown of MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple wrote Thursday that the liberal cable news star “rooted for” British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier, which served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump campaign official Carter Page, to be the smoking gun that would force the president out of office.

In an op-ed titled, “Rachel Maddow rooted for the Steele dossier to be true. Then it fell apart,” Wemple wrote, “She seemed to be rooting for the document.” He added, “As part of her Russianist phase, Maddow became a clearinghouse for news increments regarding the dossier.”

Washington Post media critic slams Rachel Maddow, says liberal host 'rooted' for Steele dossier

In a stunning takedown of MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, Washington Post media critic Erik Wemple wrote Thursday that the liberal cable news star “rooted for” British ex-spy Christopher Steele’s dossier, which served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Trump...

www.foxnews.com

You keep talking like the Steele Dossier is something which has been discredited.

Nonsense.

I think as a series of memos on different topics that it had a pretty good track record in that about 80% of it held up during the years long investigations. Those investigations which didn't exonerate Trump.

I guess the 20% that didn't hold up excused all of the 80% that did hold up, as so goes standard Conservative logic, i.e. toss out the baby with the bath water.

 

[MT15]

I listened to a podcast where Charlie Sykes interviewed John Bolton. Man is Bolton an butt crevasse. Still it had some very interesting moments.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I listened to a podcast where Charlie Sykes interviewed John Bolton. Man is Bolton an butt crevasse. Still it had some very interesting moments.

Charlie Sykes: So what should they have done? When you say to broaden it out, should they have looked at the obstruction of justice with Erdoğan?

John Bolton: Sure, it depends on whether you’re serious about achieving an outcome by launching an impeachment process or whether you’re virtue-signaling: ‘Look at us, look how righteous we are’. . . .

Charlie Sykes: Okay, well that’s ironic, though, that you would suggest that they should have broadened it — to include some of the stuff that you have in your book — but were not willing to testify to. So, you’re criticizing them for not going deeper, but when you had the opportunity, and to go back ... (crosstalk)…

Charlie Sykes: Okay, so you told Bill Barr? [There may have been a trace of sarcasm in my voice.]

John Bolton: I talked to the attorney general — that’s right — and I went to the attorney general, I put that in the book too. And I told Bill Barr about some of these things with Erdogan, and some of the others. That’s, that’s his job. It’s not my job. . . .

Bolton is a forking coward.