Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (7 Viewers)

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I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


 
samiam5211 said:
So you're saying that the chickens we eat would be banned from competitive cockfighting for PEDs.
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Not really steroids are for slow twitch muscles and to recover quickly also to bulk up. If I were doing it I would blood dope my fighting birds. You know for endurance events like Lance Armstrong.

If you have never seen it the movie Icarus is amazing. It is all about the way cycling cheated. One of the best documentaries I have ever seen.

It won the Oscar
 
The moose said:
Not really steroids are for slow twitch muscles and to recover quickly also to bulk up. If I were doing it I would blood dope my fighting birds. You know for endurance events like Lance Armstrong.

If you have never seen it the movie Icarus is amazing. It is all about the way cycling cheated. One of the best documentaries I have ever seen.

It won the Oscar
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I second Icarus if anyone hasn't seen it. Very well done.
 
The moose said:
Not really steroids are for slow twitch muscles and to recover quickly also to bulk up. If I were doing it I would blood dope my fighting birds. You know for endurance events like Lance Armstrong.

If you have never seen it the movie Icarus is amazing. It is all about the way cycling cheated. One of the best documentaries I have ever seen.

It won the Oscar
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Now I suspect that you have a champion rooster named Lance Armstrong.
 
insidejob said:
Actually, yes, it does matter how the pig's life was lived. Not caring about how the food we kill and eat lives its life is how we ended up with corporate feed lots of cows that spend their whole lives covered in their own shirt, being force-fed corn, which isn't natural for them to eat, never seeing grass from birth to death. Or pigs kept in pens so small that they never even manage to make a 360 in their entire lives? There is meat from about 1000 cows in your average fast food beef patty, after it's run through ammonia, before it's shipped cross-country. Chickens so hopped up on steroids that they drag their breasts on the ground to the point of bleeding until they're ultimately slaughtered? You are what you eat.

I'd much prefer be able to kill the cow myself knowing it lived a decent life and then eat it than anything above. It's the Buddhist in me.
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True

Have you had pork that was so good you thought

“Man, this pig didn’t suffer a day in its life”
 
Why didn’t he do this before he left office?

I don’t remember how many had been arrested and charged before Jan 20th

But I was under the impression that he could have offered a blanket pardon to anyone for any crime on Jan 6th even against future arrests
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CONROE, Tex. — Former president Donald Trump suggested Saturday night that he will pardon the rioters charged in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol if he is elected president in 2024.

Trump, who has teased but not confirmed another run for president, has repeatedly criticized the prosecution of people who violently stormed the Capitol to protest the certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.

But his comments at a Texas rally on Saturday marked the first time he dangled the prospect of pardons, an escalation of his broader effort to downplay the deadly events of Jan. 6.

Some of those involved in the riot held out hope for a pardon from Trump before he left office 14 days later, but none were granted.
“If I run and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly,” he said Saturday near the end of a lengthy campaign rally in Conroe, a city about 40 miles north of Houston.

“We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.”.

Authorities have arrested and charged more than 700 people in a sprawling investigation into the insurrection.

This month, the Justice Department charged Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the far-right Oath Keepers group, and 10 other members or associates of the group with seditious conspiracy, the most serious charges levied as part of the department’s investigation.

Several prominent Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), pushed back against Trump’s comments Sunday, calling the suggestion of clemency for those accused in the Capitol riot “inappropriate.”…….

 
Optimus Prime said:
Why didn’t he do this before he left office?

I don’t remember how many had been arrested and charged before Jan 20th

But I was under the impression that he could have offered a blanket pardon to anyone for any crime on Jan 6th even against future arrests
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CONROE, Tex. — Former president Donald Trump suggested Saturday night that he will pardon the rioters charged in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol if he is elected president in 2024.

Trump, who has teased but not confirmed another run for president, has repeatedly criticized the prosecution of people who violently stormed the Capitol to protest the certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.

But his comments at a Texas rally on Saturday marked the first time he dangled the prospect of pardons, an escalation of his broader effort to downplay the deadly events of Jan. 6.

Some of those involved in the riot held out hope for a pardon from Trump before he left office 14 days later, but none were granted.
“If I run and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly,” he said Saturday near the end of a lengthy campaign rally in Conroe, a city about 40 miles north of Houston.

“We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.”.

Authorities have arrested and charged more than 700 people in a sprawling investigation into the insurrection.

This month, the Justice Department charged Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the far-right Oath Keepers group, and 10 other members or associates of the group with seditious conspiracy, the most serious charges levied as part of the department’s investigation.

Several prominent Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), pushed back against Trump’s comments Sunday, calling the suggestion of clemency for those accused in the Capitol riot “inappropriate.”…….

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Probably because he was suddenly looking at his second impeachment, and pardons would have basically endorsed the attack on the capital, undermining any defense that his rally just got out of control.
 
samiam5211 said:
Now I suspect that you have a champion rooster named Lance Armstrong.
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My dad had a flock of fighting cocks. Of the 3 champions we had, the best one of the 3 was named "Cubano", because he was kept in Cuba and flown into MX for palenques. The thought was that this area in Cuba was better for the rooster.
 
Optimus Prime said:
Why didn’t he do this before he left office?

I don’t remember how many had been arrested and charged before Jan 20th

But I was under the impression that he could have offered a blanket pardon to anyone for any crime on Jan 6th even against future arrests
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CONROE, Tex. — Former president Donald Trump suggested Saturday night that he will pardon the rioters charged in connection with the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol if he is elected president in 2024.

Trump, who has teased but not confirmed another run for president, has repeatedly criticized the prosecution of people who violently stormed the Capitol to protest the certification of Joe Biden’s election as president.

But his comments at a Texas rally on Saturday marked the first time he dangled the prospect of pardons, an escalation of his broader effort to downplay the deadly events of Jan. 6.

Some of those involved in the riot held out hope for a pardon from Trump before he left office 14 days later, but none were granted.
“If I run and I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly,” he said Saturday near the end of a lengthy campaign rally in Conroe, a city about 40 miles north of Houston.

“We will treat them fairly, and if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons because they are being treated so unfairly.”.

Authorities have arrested and charged more than 700 people in a sprawling investigation into the insurrection.

This month, the Justice Department charged Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the far-right Oath Keepers group, and 10 other members or associates of the group with seditious conspiracy, the most serious charges levied as part of the department’s investigation.

Several prominent Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), pushed back against Trump’s comments Sunday, calling the suggestion of clemency for those accused in the Capitol riot “inappropriate.”…….

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Pfft. Trump could drop a deuce on Graham's head and all he'd do is say it was 'inappropriate' before going back to licking his shoes.
 
Booker said:
Probably because he was suddenly looking at his second impeachment, and pardons would have basically endorsed the attack on the capital, undermining any defense that his rally just got out of control.
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That and the losers failed. Why pardon 'em?
 
Booker said:
Probably because he was suddenly looking at his second impeachment, and pardons would have basically endorsed the attack on the capital, undermining any defense that his rally just got out of control.
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Think there was still time after the senate impeachment failed and the 20th
 
My thought is he didn’t do it for the same reasons he didn’t preemptively pardon Gaetz. He didn’t care about them, for one, and two, he didn’t see how they could hurt him. So no benefit to him for pardons.
 
Yes, that too. But people like Manafort, Bannon and Roger Stone were pardoned because they could have hurt him.
 
Still laying the blame at Mike Pence's feet
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Key members of the Republican Party have spent the better part of six years pretending Donald Trump wasn’t really doing that. This is often followed by Trump himself confirming that’s precisely what he was doing.

Such is now the case with the plot to get Vice President Mike Pence to unilaterally overturn the 2020 election.

Trump released a statement Sunday night asserting not only that Pence could have overturned the election himself but that he should have. The former president did so in the context of some Republicans pushing for a law that would clarify that the vice president doesn’t, in fact, have this power.

Citing Sen. Susan Collins’s (R-Maine) support for the push to overhaul the Electoral Count Act, Trump maintained the effort itself betrayed Pence’s actual authority.

“Actually, what they are saying is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away,” Trump said. “Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!”

Let’s set aside the dodgy logic here; Congress often passes bills to clarify the law, and this one would seem a good target for some clarity, given the stakes and what happened in 2020.

This is precisely the thing Republicans and even Trump’s own lawyers have assured us wasn’t the real goal on Jan. 6 last year — or was even “crazy” or, in Pence’s own words, “un-American.” That’s despite plenty of evidence that it was indeed an option Trump pushed for, and now we have this confirmation............

MSN

www.msn.com
 
Good article
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Donald Trump’s actions to overturn the 2020 election were dedicated, intentional, and sustained over time. The insistent notion that Trump and his allies are “too stupid to coup” should not be reassuring. Like the velociraptors in Jurassic Park, shake enough door handles, and eventually one opens. By the end of the 2020 story, Trump had learned just how loose are the dusty old frameworks like the Electoral Count Act.

From the summer of 2020 through January 6, 2021, Trump’s buffoonish plans evolved—ultimately taking shape as a multipronged plot to rob Joe Biden of the presidency, one that descended into bloody violence at the United States Capitol. It happened fast, but not all at once: Lawsuits were filed in state and federal courts, up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Strategies changed. Officials inside the Department of Justice clashed over whether to enable Trump or hem him in.

His team rallied activists to swarm the homes and workplaces of election officials. Trump pressured state officials to “find the votes.” More than one hundred members of Congress were organized to object to the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6th. In several states that Biden won, Republicans went so far as to submit fake Electoral College paperwork to “certify” Trump as the 2020 winner.

It’s a lot to process. Given all the details that have been emerging in recent months from journalists, from the House Jan. 6th Committee and other congressional investigations, from the Department of Justice, and from memoirs, there is a need for an overview that tries to bring it all together—not a comprehensive report on every detail, but an explanation of the six strands of the plot and how they are entwined.

Because a sequel may be on its way.

1. The Conspiracy Theories​

Trump began promulgating election-related conspiracy theories at least as early as June 2020, when he and his team started questioning the legality of mail-in voting, especially as the practice was being more widely adopted because of COVID:

TRUMP-image1.png


That month, Attorney General Bill Barr told the New York Times that foreign governments might conspire to mail in fake ballots. Those conspiracy theories escalated dramatically in the wee hours of election night. Before votes were done being counted, as results appeared to be moving in Biden’s favor, Trump stood in the East Room of the White House, declared himself the winner, and warned that fraud was underway:............

www.thebulwark.com

The Six Main Strands of the Trump Coup Attempt

How did he try to overturn the 2020 election? Let us count the ways.
www.thebulwark.com www.thebulwark.com
 
Optimus Prime said:
Good article
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Donald Trump’s actions to overturn the 2020 election were dedicated, intentional, and sustained over time. The insistent notion that Trump and his allies are “too stupid to coup” should not be reassuring. Like the velociraptors in Jurassic Park, shake enough door handles, and eventually one opens. By the end of the 2020 story, Trump had learned just how loose are the dusty old frameworks like the Electoral Count Act.

From the summer of 2020 through January 6, 2021, Trump’s buffoonish plans evolved—ultimately taking shape as a multipronged plot to rob Joe Biden of the presidency, one that descended into bloody violence at the United States Capitol. It happened fast, but not all at once: Lawsuits were filed in state and federal courts, up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Strategies changed. Officials inside the Department of Justice clashed over whether to enable Trump or hem him in.

His team rallied activists to swarm the homes and workplaces of election officials. Trump pressured state officials to “find the votes.” More than one hundred members of Congress were organized to object to the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6th. In several states that Biden won, Republicans went so far as to submit fake Electoral College paperwork to “certify” Trump as the 2020 winner.

It’s a lot to process. Given all the details that have been emerging in recent months from journalists, from the House Jan. 6th Committee and other congressional investigations, from the Department of Justice, and from memoirs, there is a need for an overview that tries to bring it all together—not a comprehensive report on every detail, but an explanation of the six strands of the plot and how they are entwined.

Because a sequel may be on its way.

1. The Conspiracy Theories​

Trump began promulgating election-related conspiracy theories at least as early as June 2020, when he and his team started questioning the legality of mail-in voting, especially as the practice was being more widely adopted because of COVID:

TRUMP-image1.png


That month, Attorney General Bill Barr told the New York Times that foreign governments might conspire to mail in fake ballots. Those conspiracy theories escalated dramatically in the wee hours of election night. Before votes were done being counted, as results appeared to be moving in Biden’s favor, Trump stood in the East Room of the White House, declared himself the winner, and warned that fraud was underway:............

www.thebulwark.com

The Six Main Strands of the Trump Coup Attempt

How did he try to overturn the 2020 election? Let us count the ways.
www.thebulwark.com www.thebulwark.com
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Let me just state my appreciation for the Bulwark while I'm here.
 

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