Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (22 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Optimus Prime]

more on how epically stupid Lindell is

Is it wrong I hope he spends all his money chasing this, borrows millions more loses that and ends up losing his business and broke?
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...........“I’m more optimistic today than I have been — yesterday, the day before that. I’m on an incline like this,” Lindell said, using his hand to show the increase. “Why? Because it’s so amazing, all the things that we have — we already have all the pieces to the puzzle. When you talk about evidence, we had enough evidence to put everybody in prison for life, 300-some million people, we had that all the way back to November, December.”

So why hasn’t it happened? Because, he explained, he had to wait for evil to reveal itself.

Anyway, let’s talk about what it means to put 300 million people in prison for life.

So let’s operate under the assumption that Lindell 1) believes he has evidence that could put anyone in prison for life and 2) that he further believes he has evidence to put 300 million people in prison.

How many people is that? Well, it’s more than the number of people who voted for President Biden in 2020, 81 million in total. Of course, Lindell doesn’t think that Biden got 81 million votes, more like 68 million. Regardless, we’re still in the hole by more than 200 million votes.

Even if we assume — for some reason — that every voter committed some unstated crime that entailed a federal life sentence, it’s still only about half of the country’s population last year. Here’s the approximate distribution of voters in 2020, using turnout and population estimates from the Census Bureau.

This is not only every Biden voter but every Trump voter, too. Perhaps you think it’s unfair to include them; clearly Lindell doesn’t think Trump voters committed this Unnamed Federal Law violation. Well, sure, I’d like to make that assumption, but there’s no other way to make the math work.

After all, if we expand this universe to all American adults, we’re still more than 40 million short of Lindell’s target for incarceration. Mike Lindell has indisputable proof that you committed Unidentified Federal Crime and are going to prison, much as it pains me to tell you that. But even with that revelation, there are still more targets out there for Lindell’s police to scoop up.

Basically, the number of people that Lindell has identified as culpable here is every American aged 7 and up, a group that totals 302 million. If we assume that everyone who was 6 or younger did not commit The Crime That Is So Bad, then we get to Lindell’s number. Sorry for those 9-year-olds about to spend the next 65 years at Leavenworth...........

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[Complex Kid]

more on how epically stupid Lindell is

Is it wrong I hope he spends all his money chasing this, borrows millions more loses that and ends up losing his business and broke?
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...........“I’m more optimistic today than I have been — yesterday, the day before that. I’m on an incline like this,” Lindell said, using his hand to show the increase. “Why? Because it’s so amazing, all the things that we have — we already have all the pieces to the puzzle. When you talk about evidence, we had enough evidence to put everybody in prison for life, 300-some million people, we had that all the way back to November, December.”

So why hasn’t it happened? Because, he explained, he had to wait for evil to reveal itself.

Anyway, let’s talk about what it means to put 300 million people in prison for life.

So let’s operate under the assumption that Lindell 1) believes he has evidence that could put anyone in prison for life and 2) that he further believes he has evidence to put 300 million people in prison.

How many people is that? Well, it’s more than the number of people who voted for President Biden in 2020, 81 million in total. Of course, Lindell doesn’t think that Biden got 81 million votes, more like 68 million. Regardless, we’re still in the hole by more than 200 million votes.

Even if we assume — for some reason — that every voter committed some unstated crime that entailed a federal life sentence, it’s still only about half of the country’s population last year. Here’s the approximate distribution of voters in 2020, using turnout and population estimates from the Census Bureau.

This is not only every Biden voter but every Trump voter, too. Perhaps you think it’s unfair to include them; clearly Lindell doesn’t think Trump voters committed this Unnamed Federal Law violation. Well, sure, I’d like to make that assumption, but there’s no other way to make the math work.

After all, if we expand this universe to all American adults, we’re still more than 40 million short of Lindell’s target for incarceration. Mike Lindell has indisputable proof that you committed Unidentified Federal Crime and are going to prison, much as it pains me to tell you that. But even with that revelation, there are still more targets out there for Lindell’s police to scoop up.

Basically, the number of people that Lindell has identified as culpable here is every American aged 7 and up, a group that totals 302 million. If we assume that everyone who was 6 or younger did not commit The Crime That Is So Bad, then we get to Lindell’s number. Sorry for those 9-year-olds about to spend the next 65 years at Leavenworth...........

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I hope I don't have to share a cell with Scott Baio or Bill Maher

 

[Port City JJ]

more on how epically stupid Lindell is

Is it wrong I hope he spends all his money chasing this, borrows millions more loses that and ends up losing his business and broke?
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...........“I’m more optimistic today than I have been — yesterday, the day before that. I’m on an incline like this,” Lindell said, using his hand to show the increase. “Why? Because it’s so amazing, all the things that we have — we already have all the pieces to the puzzle. When you talk about evidence, we had enough evidence to put everybody in prison for life, 300-some million people, we had that all the way back to November, December.”

So why hasn’t it happened? Because, he explained, he had to wait for evil to reveal itself.

Anyway, let’s talk about what it means to put 300 million people in prison for life.

So let’s operate under the assumption that Lindell 1) believes he has evidence that could put anyone in prison for life and 2) that he further believes he has evidence to put 300 million people in prison.

How many people is that? Well, it’s more than the number of people who voted for President Biden in 2020, 81 million in total. Of course, Lindell doesn’t think that Biden got 81 million votes, more like 68 million. Regardless, we’re still in the hole by more than 200 million votes.

Even if we assume — for some reason — that every voter committed some unstated crime that entailed a federal life sentence, it’s still only about half of the country’s population last year. Here’s the approximate distribution of voters in 2020, using turnout and population estimates from the Census Bureau.

This is not only every Biden voter but every Trump voter, too. Perhaps you think it’s unfair to include them; clearly Lindell doesn’t think Trump voters committed this Unnamed Federal Law violation. Well, sure, I’d like to make that assumption, but there’s no other way to make the math work.

After all, if we expand this universe to all American adults, we’re still more than 40 million short of Lindell’s target for incarceration. Mike Lindell has indisputable proof that you committed Unidentified Federal Crime and are going to prison, much as it pains me to tell you that. But even with that revelation, there are still more targets out there for Lindell’s police to scoop up.

Basically, the number of people that Lindell has identified as culpable here is every American aged 7 and up, a group that totals 302 million. If we assume that everyone who was 6 or younger did not commit The Crime That Is So Bad, then we get to Lindell’s number. Sorry for those 9-year-olds about to spend the next 65 years at Leavenworth...........

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the population of the entire united states isn't much over 300 million peoples

 

[MT15]

Who was it that said “it wasn’t sedition because if it was they’d be charged with sedition”?

 

[Saintamaniac]

(not really directed at @Saintamaniac's post above, just a general thought)

Not that I so much believe there's anything you can really do with the ones predisposed and preprogrammed to downplay Jan 6 and draw comparisons to the summer rioting.. but I do think the invocation and comparison of Jan 6 to 9/11 and Pearl Harbor is ineffective and wrongheaded messaging in a general sense - mainly because 9/11 and Pearl Harbor were (foreign) terrorist attacks defined in large part, at least in my own view, by the fact that thousands of people perished in each of those attacks. Jan 6 was not the same thing in that regard, thankfully.

Jan 6 was it's own thing with strong enough legs to stand alone on it's own without a modern-day equivalent. Incomparable to both the summer rioting and 9/11-Pearl Harbor.

I can understand your take. I lump it in with 9/11 not because the death totals are close but because it was an attack on America. It was an attack on Americans who don't believe what they believe. While the death toll was low comparatively (thank God), the reasoning was pretty much the same; believe what we believe or die.

January 6 was worst than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor IMO because, as you mentioned, those attacks came from foreign enemies. How do we defend ourselves from people that look like us, sound like us do the same type of things that we do and in some cases, share the same religion that we do? There is no Democratic military. There is no Republican capital to invade or attack. This is rot from the inside and it will kill all of us.

 

[brandon]

Who was it that said “it wasn’t sedition because if it was they’d be charged with sedition”?

I believe that was the illustrious take of @Roofgardener.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Who was it that said “it wasn’t sedition because if it was they’d be charged with sedition”?

 

[bdb13]

I can understand your take. I lump it in with 9/11 not because the death totals are close but because it was an attack on America. It was an attack on Americans who don't believe what they believe. While the death toll was low comparatively (thank God), the reasoning was pretty much the same; believe what we believe or die.

January 6 was worst than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor IMO because, as you mentioned, those attacks came from foreign enemies. How do we defend ourselves from people that look like us, sound like us do the same type of things that we do and in some cases, share the same religion that we do? There is no Democratic military. There is no Republican capital to invade or attack. This is rot from the inside and it will kill of us.

And I get that and very much agree with the bolded there.

It seems fairly likely to me that we're heading into even darker times than what we've already seen as the lines continue to sharpen. Inevitably something will have to give.

 

[Saintamaniac]

And I get that and very much agree with the bolded there.

It seems fairly likely to me that we're heading into even darker times than what we've already seen as the lines continue to sharpen. Inevitably something will have to give.

I fear that this will be something like what was seen in Ireland with the The Troubles.

 

[MT15]

That’s what I’ve been thinking about also, Saintamaniac. That might be closer to what we end up with than some sort of civil war.

 

[MT15]

Someone in Trump‘s orbit is tied to the Oathkeepers. Who was it? Stone, maybe or Bannon?

 

[MT15]

Ha! It is Stone. Here’s hoping they can get to Stone and Bannon.

 

[MT15]

Yes!

 

[MT15]

I forgot about this Tweet from yesterday - this is Rhode’s lawyer:

 

[J-DONK]

I believe that was the illustrious take of @Roofgardener.

It's one of the bigger talking points on the right. They try to equate it to the climate sit in, etc. My guess is you won't see a Farb, etc for a while in this thread. This kind of stuff takes a while to come up with a decent talking point.

Also, I assume all this will end at Roger Stone unless they were sloppy. Stone already proved his loyalty taking a charge, and he would be the clear fall guy for anything else illegal.

 

[insidejob]

It's one of the bigger talking points on the right. They try to equate it to the climate sit in, etc. My guess is you won't see a Farb, etc for a while in this thread. This kind of stuff takes a while to come up with a decent talking point.

Also, I assume all this will end at Roger Stone unless they were sloppy. Stone already proved his loyalty taking a charge, and he would be the clear fall guy for anything else illegal.

Stone is on video on 1/5 with a bunch of Oath Keepers as his bodyguards passing out flyers for a "speech" he was going to be giving on 1/6 at the Capitol at the same time that the riots started. He never showed, but his Oath Keeper protection squad was there in full costume.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Of all the people who were there I wonder what percentage today regret it vs doubling down
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The Florida doctor who lost his marriage, job, and home after he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6 and later bragged about it has been sentenced to one year of probation, including two months of home detention.

Kenneth Kelly, 59, and his friend Leonard Gruppo had traveled together from Florida to attend Donald Trump’s rally on Jan. 6. They were later seen on surveillance video footage inside the Capitol building.

Kelly wasn’t among the front lines of rioters who broke through the doors, but prosecutors say he had to be “hoisted over a wall” to get into the building because the stairs were too crowded with people. Once inside the building, prosecutors say, he ignored a police officer’s direction to exit the building, and instead walked around for a few more minutes before finally leaving.

In a series of text messages, Kelly bragged about his exploits that day.

“Inside White House via breaking in windows!” Kelly said in a text message that was sent along with a picture that appeared to be taken from inside the Capitol building, which he mistakenly identified as the White House. “Tree of liberty was watered today!”

“Patriots stormed the White House [sic], broke in while Senate (with a little s) was in sessiondenating [sic] Arizona. The [sic] were hiding under ther [sic] desks. Forced into recess. Patriots took back our capital today,” he also texted, again erroneously identifying the Capitol as the White House.

U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly cited those text messages when she sentenced Kelly, an emergency room doctor from Florida, to a year of probation that included two months of home detention..............

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[Optimus Prime]

Who was it that said “it wasn’t sedition because if it was they’d be charged with sedition”?

Part of me is curious what @Roofgardener would say to this
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Criminal charges, especially for complex planned crimes, often take a long time. Nonetheless, the failure of criminal charges for sedition to materialize very quickly after January 6, 2021, became a key talking point for Trump defenders.

Yes, thousands of protesters including far-right paramilitary groups like the Oath Keepers invaded the capital, some using coordinated military tactics, in a shadowy effort to pressure Congress to invalidate the Electoral College results and hand Trump an unelected second term.

But, the Trump defenders insisted, it couldn’t have been an insurrection because nobody had (yet) been charged with sedition.

“Many in the media continue referring to ‘the insurrectionists’ rather than the rioters,” complained pro-Trump law professor Jonathan Turley in August. “After five months of dragnet arrests nationwide, a few reporters have noted that no one was actually charged with insurrection or sedition.”

Case closed!

Last October, Mark Levin, appearing on Tucker Carlson tonight, proclaimed, “Has anybody been charged with sedition? Nobody. Has anybody been charged with treason? Nobody. So why do they keep calling it an insurrection?”.............

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