Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[coldseat]

The purpose of head start was to give poor children the same advantages children from engaged intact families have. You make a good point, once the kid starts to grow up he still has a crappy home environment. That is why I always say America needs a plan to fix the homes of poor people. Two engaged parents will do wonders.

In these responses, you act as if the government can mandate a two parent household. They can't!

They can promote and pass policies policies that encourage and support two person led households. The government already does that in many instances, with Republicans often standing in the way of efforts to do more. The government can also support and provide services to single parents to help them provide a more stable home to their children. But again, Republicans often reject policy that would do that because it cost money and would mean rasing taxes on the rich and business.

 

[Paul]

In these responses, you act as if the government can mandate a two parent household. They can't!

They can promote and pass policies policies that encourage and support two person led households. The government already does that in many instances, with Republicans often standing in the way of efforts to do more. The government can also support and provide services to single parents to help them provide a more stable home to their children. But again, Republicans often reject policy that would do that because it cost money and would mean rasing taxes on the rich and business.

You are correct, it is difficult for the government to mandate great parenting. This is some sort of a lottery for kids. Those born to great parents get ahead of others with crappy parenting. The only way to change this is by emulating other cultures that do this quite well. As long as the problem is not fixed we will have a two tier society. The change has to be a cultural one.

 

[Paul]

You are generalizing a lot. Poor people or single parents does not equal a bad home environment, nor does an affluent two parent home equal a good one. Abusive home environments can be found in all layers of society. Some of the most engaged parents I know are single parents (male and female)

But you are right - lets move this discussion to another thread

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule.

 

[coldseat]

You are correct, it is difficult for the government to mandate great parenting. This is some sort of a lottery for kids. Those born to great parents get ahead of others with crappy parenting. Te only way to change this is by emulating other cultures that do this quite well. As long as the problem is not fixed we will have a two tier society. The change has to be a cultural one.

That's not a solution. How do you make that happen and why would everybody agree to that, "emulating" other cultures? You may see positives in doing so, but others may equally and legitimately see negatives. And who would decide what culture to emulate? Sounds awfully authoritarian.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

That's not a solution. How do you make that happen and why would everybody agree to that, "emulating" other cultures? You may see positives in doing so, but others may equally and legitimately see negatives. And who would decide what culture to emulate? Sounds awfully authoritarian.

It also requires a cafeteria approach to emulating behavior. Take the good, ignore the bad, because every cultural group has its positives and negatives. People tend to highlight the positives and ignore the negatives of their group (or one they envy) but the two generally go hand and hand.

 

[Paul]

That's not a solution. How do you make that happen and why would everybody agree to that, "emulating" other cultures? You may see positives in doing so, but others may equally and legitimately see negatives. And who would decide what culture to emulate? Sounds awfully authoritarian.

No government can force people to emulate what works in other cultures. This can only be done by individuals. For example East Asians send their kids to math camp in the summer whereas American kids go to sports summer camp. That is a cultural difference. One of my daughters is sending her kids to math and computer programming camps. I think it is possible to copy what works. In the end cultures copy from each other.

 

[Saintamaniac]

For example East Asians send their kids to math camp in the summer whereas American kids go to sports summer camp.

So all East Asians send their kids to math camp? All American kids go to sports summer camp? That's exactly what you just said but then again, it's par for the course. You peddle so much bullshirt. I hope you bathe regularly.

 

[Dragon]

Math camps are not necessary better than sports camp. A lot of studies have shown that kids that work out and learn team work from sports, excell academically...

Success is not just a question of being an excellent student, but being a well balanced person - body and mind

 

[brandon]

For example East Asians send their kids to math camp in the summer

Asians are good at math and other cliche stereotypes passed off as insightful commentary, brought to you by a guy who has lied to himself so many times he believes he’s a moderate!

 

[Paul]

Math camps are not necessary better than sports camp.

That is like saying A dog is not necessarily better than a cat. There is no comparison mate.

A lot of studies have shown that kids that work out and learn team work from sports, excell academically...

Please cite the studies that say collectivism improves academic achievement.

Success is not just a question of being an excellent student, but being a well balanced person - body and mind

Intelligence is the best predictor of success in life
Other factors are important, but G is crucial.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This could’ve gone in the racism thread too
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It had only been hinted at in previous public examinations of the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection: Scores of rioters attacked police officers not just with makeshift weapons, stun guns and fists, but with racist slurs and accusations of treason.

Four officers, two from the U.S. Capitol Police and two from the D.C.’s Metropolitan Police Department, on Tuesday detailed the racism and bigotry they encountered during the violent assault on the Capitol.

Their direct, harrowing accounts laid out the hours when the pro-police sentiment of Trump’s supporters was pushed aside, consumed by the fury of wanting to keep him in the White House.

Capitol Police Officer Harry Dunn told lawmakers about an exchange he had with rioters, who disputed that President Joe Biden defeated former President Donald Trump in the last presidential election.

When Dunn, who is Black, argued with the rioters that he voted for Biden and that his vote should be counted, a crowd began hurling the N-word at him.


“One woman in a pink ‘MAGA’ (Make American Great Again) shirt yelled, ‘You hear that, guys, this n——— voted for Joe Biden!’” said Dunn, who has served more than a dozen years on the Capitol Police force.

“Then the crowd, perhaps around 20 people, joined in, screaming “Boo! F——— n—— !” he testified. He said no one had ever called him the N-word while he was in uniform. That night, he sat in the Capitol Rotunda and wept……..

Racism of rioters takes center stage in Jan. 6 hearing

Four law enforcement officers have detailed the racism and bigotry on display during the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.

apnews.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Yep, Blue Lives matter until it doesn't fit their narrative..

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yep, Blue Lives matter until it doesn't fit their narrative..

voicemail most definitely NSFW

Hear the profanity-laced voicemail that DC officer Michael Fanone got from a Trump supporter while he was testifying to Congress

Michael Fanone, a police officer in Washington, DC, told Congress on Tuesday that Capitol rioters had beaten him unconscious and almost killed him.

www.google.com

 

[RobF]

That is like saying A dog is not necessarily better than a cat. There is no comparison mate.

You cited the 'cultural difference' of going to maths camps instead of summer camps as an example of something which works in other cultures, thus drawing a comparison between them. If there is, in fact, no comparison between them, then your example wasn't an example.

Please cite the studies that say collectivism improves academic achievement.

Question: if everyone starts asking you to cite studies supporting your many, many, otherwise unsupported assertions, are you going to?

 

[Paul]

You cited the 'cultural difference' of going to maths camps instead of summer camps as an example of something which works in other cultures, thus drawing a comparison between them. If there is, in fact, no comparison between them, then your example wasn't an example.


Question: if everyone starts asking you to cite studies supporting your many, many, otherwise unsupported assertions, are you going to?

I think it is perfectly acceptable to compare East Asians students with other students that live in Western nations. Why not?

 

[nolaspe]

voicemail most definitely NSFW

Hear the profanity-laced voicemail that DC officer Michael Fanone got from a Trump supporter while he was testifying to Congress

Michael Fanone, a police officer in Washington, DC, told Congress on Tuesday that Capitol rioters had beaten him unconscious and almost killed him.

www.google.com

Yeah, I watched that Don Lemon clip earlier... drumpf's amerikkka summed up in 1 VM...

 

[Taurus]

The problem is not the care. The problem is the insurance system. I support Medicare for all. As of now Medicare only insures the elderly and the disabled. Medicare does not have young healthy people in the pool. The young are insured by private companies. These companies do not provide care. They simply collect premiums form the patients, pay the medical expenses, and the rest is profit. All they do is handle the money. This is not capitalism at all. These people do not create wealth or do any innovation. They just handle the money with the blessing of congress. This is crony capitalism.

Germany was the cradle of physics and engineering in the late 19th century and early 20th century. As a kid I remember that the best cameras, stereos, medical equipment, and automobiles were German. It was a tradition for gifted Americans to study in Germany in that era, congratulations.

What do they do in Germany with Kids that are not university material?

Good luck in finding a rock band. Rock is dead. It is hard to find a good modern rock song with a guitar solo.

You are using the wealthiest nation in Europe with a low fraction of poverty as the standard of reference.

As long as they are qualified yes. However, over here they seem to think anyone can be an engineer or a rocket scientist. Many go to college to study salsa dancing or other meaningless mayor. I suspect they do not do that in Germany.

Lastly, giving free education to kids that come from very poor drug infested homes does not work. The reason East Asians and Indian immigrants are well above (education and income) all other groups is having a solid home that promotes academics.

I hope you're only referring to free post-secondary education.

Because in a nation with self-rule by all adult citizens, you HAVE to provide a baseline education that's sufficient to make good decisions at the ballot box. My position is that just as an 8th-grade education was fine in the early 1900's, then revised upwards to high-school as life grew more complex, it's time to revise upwards again to at least an AA degree as the basic, free-for-everyone level of education we provide.

 

[Paul]

I hope you're only referring to free post-secondary education.

Because in a nation with self-rule by all adult citizens, you HAVE to provide a baseline education that's sufficient to make good decisions at the ballot box. My position is that just as an 8th-grade education was fine in the early 1900's, then revised upwards to high-school as life grew more complex, it's time to revise upwards again to at least an AA degree as the basic, free-for-everyone level of education we provide.

You are assuming that all comers have equal intelligence. I agree with free education for those that are academically qualified. Those that cannot do the academic job need to go elsewhere.