Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

[Paul]

As do Muslims and Hindus. I'd argue that is more cultural than religious. It's a lot to unpack, but for a variety of reasons when you move out of mainstream western culture, especially American culture, success rates go through the roof. Pick 10 high schools and look at the list of Valedictorians. How many named Johnson or Wilson do you see?

Valedictorian high rates among immigrants from India and East Asia is mostly related to a solid home with two parents that promote an academic environment. The Jews do that as well. Many Nigerians and Iranians parents have that same tradition.

Trevor Phillips, a British man of Guyana ancestry and quite liberal implied that British minorities and white kids that struggle should study the East Asians behavior. That did not go down very well.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Valedictorian high rates among immigrants from India and East Asia is mostly related to a solid home with two parents that promote an academic environment. The Jews do that as well. Many Nigerians and Iranians parents have that same tradition.

Trevor Phillips, a British man of Guyana ancestry and quite liberal implied that British minorities and white kids that struggle should study the East Asians behavior. That did not go down very well.

I agree with the two-parent statement. Parental involvement is really the greatest determiner of academic success. Even here in the 'burbs it is very easy to identify the kids whose parents are engaged with them and in their education and those who aren't.

Phillips is an interesting character. If you don't spend time to really understand what he's saying he can seem to be all over the place. There's actually a very consistent philosophy he has though about self-reliance. Some of his statements against multiculturism can be head-scratchers, but I think that partially has to do with the European definition of multiculturalism being very different than the US definition of it.

 

[Paul]

I agree with the two-parent statement. Parental involvement is really the greatest determiner of academic success. Even here in the 'burbs it is very easy to identify the kids whose parents are engaged with them and in their education and those who aren't.

Phillips is an interesting character. If you don't spend time to really understand what he's saying he can seem to be all over the place. There's actually a very consistent philosophy he has though about self-reliance. Some of his statements against multiculturism can be head-scratchers, but I think that partially has to do with the European definition of multiculturalism being very different than the US definition of it.

I like his logical approach which I supposed may be seen as right wing by some in the extreme left.

 

[Saintman2884]

Add in Michael Steele, former Saint Benjamin Watson, Ulysses Bridgeman and on and on.

The key component is to look for black conservatives whose only source of income isn't being a black conservative. Generally what you find is educated, thoughtful, successful men and women who just disagree on certain key points.

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Valedictorian high rates among immigrants from India and East Asia is mostly related to a solid home with two parents that promote an academic environment. The Jews do that as well. Many Nigerians and Iranians parents have that same tradition.

Trevor Phillips, a British man of Guyana ancestry and quite liberal implied that British minorities and white kids that struggle should study the East Asians behavior. That did not go down very well.

I've noticed that most Iranians, or Iranian ex-pat communities whose parents or families come from a strong, secular background do well academically or professionally and not the deeply, entrenched medieval Islamic fundamentalist society and culture that's been eminating from Iran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution occured.

European interpretation of multiculturalism is much older, different than its US counterpart because it implies that gradually or eventually French Algerian or Moroccan or Indian, South Asian British immigrant communities will assimilate into the larger, predominant societies and especially in the cases of France, Germany with its Turkish communities, and UK since after WWII, they've accused or perceived them as wanting their cultural norms to take over, not assimilate completely or more to their satisfaction. Meanwhile, in the US and Canada, that's never really been a pressing concern or need, at least among some sections of the larger population, until more recently and despite their being a long, dark vicious and disguised racist history of nativism in US going back to the mid-19th century.

It was largely due, IMHO, to late 19th/early 20th century U.S. nativist groups or societies becoming such a powerful lobby that strict immigration quotas were enacted that effectively barred countless German and then Eastern European Jews from immigrating from a hostile, vicious radicalized authoritian regimes in 1930's Germany, Stalinist Russia, and other authoritian regimes in Eastern Europe like Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria. Many of these Jews literally fleeing for their lives from Nazi Germany were denied entry visas, passports and exile status; many of them were middle-and-upper class successful professionals who realized early on that Nuremburg laws, Nazi idealogues systematically barring Jews from all sectors of society would eventually lead to more extreme measures to eliminate them permanently like Polish death camps.

 

[Paul]

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I've noticed that most Iranians, or Iranian ex-pat communities whose parents or families come from a strong, secular background do well academically or professionally and not the deeply, entrenched medieval Islamic fundamentalist society and culture that's been eminating from Iran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution occured.

Rabid fundamentalism is awful in terms of education as it forces people to leave reasoning behind. BTW, sometimes fundamentalism is based on a non-deity. Any cause can be taken to an extreme where the ability to reason is lost. At the same time when done in moderation a religion can provide a cultural framework that promotes education. For example the Jesuits are religious, but simultaneously very academic. However, at the end what really matters is the family of origin. It is sad that American educators try to improve the classroom and ignore the dysfunction at the home of some students.


Lastly not all groups achieve education and success in an equal manner. East Asians such as Koreans do better than other Asians. White Americans of different European backgrounds achieve differently. The same can be said of African immigrants. Not all are as successful as Nigerians. Among Latin American immigrants Cubans tend to do better.

European interpretation of multiculturalism is much older, different than its US counterpart because it implies that gradually or eventually French Algerian or Moroccan or Indian, South Asian British immigrant communities will assimilate into the larger, predominant societies and especially in the cases of France, Germany with its Turkish communities, and UK since after WWII, they've accused or perceived them as wanting their cultural norms to take over, not assimilate completely or more to their satisfaction.

The educated immigrants that are less religious tend to assimilate quite well both in Europe and America. In the USA many of the Muslim immigrants have a Western culture and are very secular. IN Europe they have imported many uneducated religious Muslim fundamentalists that do not tend to integrate,

Meanwhile, in the US and Canada, that's never really been a pressing concern or need, at least among some sections of the larger population, until more recently and despite their being a long, dark vicious and disguised racist history of nativism in US going back to the mid-19th century.

Immigration can be successful done by admitting few immigrants from all nations in the world. Admitting many from just one nation is not a good idea. For example 500,00 immigrants from one country make lead to the creation of communities in the host nation that recreate the conditions back home. Within this framework the immigrants and their descendants have no motivation to integrate. OTOH, 500,000 immigrants that come from every nation in the planet will not be able to recreate a community in the host nation that is similar to home. These immigrants will have a greater chance of intermarriage and integration. Trevor Phillips speaks of the success of Afro immigrants to the UK by the high rate of intermarriage.

It was largely due, IMHO, to late 19th/early 20th century U.S. nativist groups or societies becoming such a powerful lobby that strict immigration quotas were enacted that effectively barred countless German and then Eastern European Jews from immigrating from a hostile, vicious radicalized authoritian regimes in 1930's Germany, Stalinist Russia, and other authoritian regimes in Eastern Europe like Romania, Hungary, and Bulgaria. Many of these Jews literally fleeing for their lives from Nazi Germany were denied entry visas, passports and exile status; many of them were middle-and-upper class successful professionals who realized early on that Nuremburg laws, Nazi idealogues systematically barring Jews from all sectors of society would eventually lead to more extreme measures to eliminate them permanently like Polish death camps.

That is another theme. The Jews are the most successful ethnic group in world history and hence they are hated by many. In Nazi Germany the success of the Jews was used to recruit Germans into antisemitism. This could happen in America if we do not stop our current trend to tribalism.

 

[Optimus Prime]

New York Times just released this

 

[Optimus Prime]

From daily show

 

[nolaspe]

Not a good look for sears and kmart...

 

[DaveXA]

Not a good look for sears and kmart...

Can't remember the last time I shopped at either place, so...

 

[Optimus Prime]

For what it’s worth
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Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) has asked to be dismissed from a federal lawsuit alleging that he incited the Jan. 6 mob assault on the U.S. Capitol, claiming that he can’t be held liable because he was acting as a federal employee while challenging the 2020 election results in a fiery speech just before the riot began.


Brooks said in a motion Friday that he should be dropped as a defendant or represented by the Justice Department in the case, filed March 5 by Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.).

The lawsuit names former president Donald Trump, Brooks, Donald Trump Jr. and Rudolph W. Giuliani and seeks damages in connection with their statements to a crowd near the White House that the former president told to march to the Capitol…….

In his filing Friday, Brooks invoked a 1988 law that protects federal employees from personal liability while acting within the scope of their office or employment. He argued that his speech, tweets and related conduct “were indisputably made in the context of and preparation for” a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6 to confirm the results of the presidential election.

Trump has asked the judge to dismiss the case on similar grounds, claiming that as president he has absolute immunity from lawsuits over his official actions and was free to urge Congress to take actions favorable to him in its electoral count.

“Brooks represented the interests of his constituency when Brooks challenged the Electoral College vote submittals of states whose election processes were less than reliable in the judgment of Brooks,” Brooks said in the filing. “It makes no difference whether Brooks was right or wrong.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/mo-brooks-capitol-riot-lawsuit/2021/07/06/fa69a34c-de80-11eb-9f54-7eee10b5fcd2_story.html

 

[Taurus]

Tucker is a sociopath. He lies and doesn’t care who gets hurt or even if anyone gets killed due to his lies.

"The spite must flow."

 

[bdb13]

Oh shut up you terrorist-enabling piece of shirt

“But the person that shot Ashley Babbitt - boom- right through the head - just boom. There was no reason for that. And why isn't that person being opened up and why isn't that being studied they've already written it off, they said that case is closed,” Trump said during a press event at Bedminster, N.J., scheduled to discuss class action lawsuits he is filing against Facebook and T[w]itter.

Trump says ‘no reason’ for officer to shoot rioter, pushing conspiracy theory

Former President Trump claimed on Wednesday that there was “no reason” for a rioter to be shot during the Jan. 6 insurrection on the Capitol.Trump brought up the rioter, Ashli Babbitt, af…

thehill.com

 

[DaveXA]

Didn't want to start another thread, so I'm putting this here. Yeah...

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Didn't want to start another thread, so I'm putting this here. Yeah...

Matt Gaetz has been out there pushing this and has said he will vote for Trump as SotH.

 

[MT15]

Holy cow! That number 1 is a real doozy. Kinda short on specifics though, and the word “unexpectedly” is doing some heavy lifting, lol.

 

[DaveXA]

Matt Gaetz has been out there pushing this and has said he will vote for Trump as SotH.

There's a few batshiet crazy Congress people in office right now. Nuts.

 

[MT15]

Here’s another one:




Somebody tell Madison about the Post Office please. Dear God…..

 

[MT15]

I don’t know if we have really talked about the calls Trump made to Arizona as well as Georgia in an attempt to bully state officials into overturning his defeat. I do remember thinking at the time that it would do him no good to overturn GA only and there had to be other calls to other states.

This was a clear, concerted effort to overturn a valid election, and Republicans everywhere should be actively working to root out of government anyone and everyone who took part. Instead they seem to be doing the exact opposite. Which makes me think they will try this again, but maybe without the buffoonery of Trump, it‘ll be much more likely to succeed.