Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf

 

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A Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department officer who suffered a mild heart attack while responding to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said late Wednesday that GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde (Ga.) refused to shake his hand and walked away from him after he approached the congressman on Capitol Hill.
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Fanone, who was repeatedly hit with a stun gun and beaten during the riot, said that while he was not able to set up meetings with any of the lawmakers, he ran into Clyde outside an elevator.

“I was very cordial. I extended my hand to shake his hand,” Fanone recounted. “He just stared at me. I asked if he was going to shake my hand, and he told me that he didn't who know I was.”

“So I introduced myself, I said that I was Officer Michael Fanone, that I was a D.C. Metropolitan Police officer who fought on Jan. 6 to defend the Capitol and, as a result, I suffered a traumatic brain injury as well as a heart attack after having been tased numerous times at the base of my skull, as well as being severely beaten," the officer said.

At that point, the congressman turned away from me,” Fanone alleged before saying that once the elevator doors opened, Clyde “ran as quickly as he could, like a coward."

The Hill has reached out to Clyde’s office for comment on Fanone’s account of the interaction.

Clyde was criticized for downplaying the events of Jan. 6, during which multiple people died and dozens of others were injured amid the chaos.

The Georgia congressman during a House Oversight and Reform Committee hearing last month argued that “if you didn’t know the TV footage was a video from Jan. 6, you’d think it was a normal tourist visit,” adding that calling the mob attack an insurrection “is a boldfaced lie.”
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Security footage from Jan. 6 aired by CNN last month showed Fanone screaming and pleading with rioters as he was attacked, at one point saying, "I have kids."

One rioter could be heard in the footage commenting, “I got one,” before Fanone was ultimately knocked unconscious and his gear and ammunition were stolen.

DC officer who protected Capitol says Republican rep refused to shake hands

A Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department officer who suffered a mild heart attack while responding to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said late Wednesday that GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde (Ga.) refused …

thehill.com

There's a domestic terrorist-enabling/supporting wing of Congressional Republicans.. when your demagoguery has gotten to the point that you're boldly and egregiously lying in defense of terrorists who assaulted police officers and meant to harm to elected colleagues.. it's clear you've accepted that the ends justify the means.

It's some forking dark shirt that about half the country either won't acknowledge or is complicit with.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

People like that HATE being introduced to the truth, thats why he ran like a coward.

Farb, do you think this guys injury happened as a result of the capitol riot and do you think said congressman is wrong for calling it same as tourists?
Or should injuries like this not count because only deaths be counted from the riot?

 

[coldseat]

DC officer who protected Capitol says Republican rep refused to shake hands

A Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department officer who suffered a mild heart attack while responding to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot said late Wednesday that GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde (Ga.) refused …

thehill.com

There's a domestic terrorist-enabling/supporting wing of Congressional Republicans.. when your demagoguery has gotten to the point that you're boldly and egregiously lying in defense of terrorists who assaulted police officers and meant to harm to elected colleagues.. it's clear you've accepted that the ends justify the means.

It's some forking dark shirt that about half the country either won't acknowledge or is complicit with.

They all take their cues from their right wing media empire. It's a constant cycle of propaganda & lies-outrage-violence. They're at it again trying to turn Jan. 6th into an FBI false flag operation or something to stoke more anger and outrage. The lunatic right has gone way off the deep end. That's not very shocking except that all those still on the right have joined them. It's become either they get their way or they destroy what they don't like.

 

[bdb13]

They all take their cues from their right wing media empire. It's a constant cycle of propaganda & lies-outrage-violence. They're at it again trying to turn Jan. 6th into an FBI false flag operation or something to stoke more anger and outrage. The lunatic right has gone way off the deep end. That's not very shocking except that all those still on the right have joined them. It's become either they get their way or they destroy what they don't like.

Officer injured in Capitol riot blasts GOP lawmaker's behavior as 'disgusting' after tense exchange

A DC Metropolitan Police officer who defended the US Capitol on January 6 blasted GOP Rep. Andrew Clyde on Wednesday evening for what he called "disgusting" behavior during a tense exchange.

www.cnn.com

Heh yeah, said it on January 6th, but I know two Trump supporters who drove up there and participated with the belief going in that Biden was not going to become the President.. so they can shove that false flag up their arse.

I'm sorry pisses me the fork off though.

 

[bdb13]

They all take their cues from their right wing media empire. It's a constant cycle of propaganda & lies-outrage-violence. They're at it again trying to turn Jan. 6th into an FBI false flag operation or something to stoke more anger and outrage. The lunatic right has gone way off the deep end. That's not very shocking except that all those still on the right have joined them. It's become either they get their way or they destroy what they don't like.

Jesus Christ just watched that Tucker video..

 

[MT15]

Tucker is a sociopath. He lies and doesn’t care who gets hurt or even if anyone gets killed due to his lies.

 

[MT15]

Brandon, what do the people you know who bought in to this stuff think now? Are they realizing they’ve been had, or did they double down?

 

[bdb13]

Brandon, what do the people you know who bought in to this stuff think now? Are they realizing they’ve been had, or did they double down?

With one of them I'm not sure.. the other one who is my best friend's brother felt like he had been had once he got back to Florida and saw Trump's strangely edited "hostage video" that released the night of January 6th; felt that Trump had thrown them all under the bus after telling them to forking come to DC.. but he moved off that quickly and reverted.. I believe currently mostly just believes that the election was stolen and that the wrong person is in the White House. But I haven't spoken to him about it.

Part of why Trump himself is so dangerous.. I just don't think people like the two I know would have done what they did without someone like Trump and his cult of personality as the catalyst.

 

[Saintman2884]

Tucker is a sociopath. He lies and doesn’t care who gets hurt or even if anyone gets killed due to his lies.

Tucker has a defining characteristic of sociopath in that he seems to lack empathy, sympathy or remorse his actions or words have on others but I think he justices it by thinking, "I'm not.making anyone do anything, its all just words and heated.rhetoric, commentators like Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, and Chris Cuomo make incendiary comments all the time and if they want a on-air sparring match, I'll give them one.

That's his mindset, its a brutal, relentless zero-sum high-stakes game of cable news political partisanship and he fights like a zealot in a crusade realizing there's going to be casualties, wounded and those left behind. Its not about reporting, analyzing information and interpreting it as facts, or truth, its about pushing agendas of a certain political party or an idealogue, like Trump.

Carlson, Hannity, and their contemporaries probably rationalize their behavior by pointing at CNN and MSNBC op-ed political journalists, commentators, Dem politicians or analysts who push the counter-narrative version of politics. They don't see themselves as being necessarily different then them, its political tribalism and " one side eventually has to win".
Sometimes, CNN forks up and gives FOX free ammunition like with what happened with Chris Cuomo having a live love-in brotherly conversations with Gov. Andrew Cuomo and its disgustingly one-sided and pathetic, Tapper comes across as a pushy, idealogical hot-head occasionally and Anderson Cooper does mediocre versions of Rachel Maddow's wordy, cerebral political musings and far less entertaining. Helps that Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar.

 

[MT15]

You’re right that CNN and MSNBC aren’t exactly paragons of journalistic ideals, BUT I still maintain you cannot even come close to comparing them to Fox. Fox spent years pushing birtherism, which they knew was a lie. They spent a whole lot of time pushing other completely false conspiracy theories, which are just too numerous to mention. There’s just no comparable content from CNN or MSNBC.

 

[Saintman2884]

You’re right that CNN and MSNBC aren’t exactly paragons of journalistic ideals, BUT I still maintain you cannot even come close to comparing them to Fox. Fox spent years pushing birtherism, which they knew was a lie. They spent a whole lot of time pushing other completely false conspiracy theories, which are just too numerous to mention. There’s just no comparable content from CNN or MSNBC.

Other then CNN and MSNBC sort of co-opting some of FOX's sensationalist, edgy, partisan news angles and politically biased commentators, insiders, contributors over the past 15-20 years, sure there's a large gapping amount of content or "op-ed" news between FOX News and MSNBC/CNN. On a scale of measuring, analyzing and cataloguing the three networks' penchant, volatility, and willingness for pushing, supporting or endorsing false, often silly "conspiracy theories", FOX is at an 18 or 19, while MSNBC is at a 5 or 6 and CNN, at their worst, might be a 3 or 4.

" Birtherism", IMHO, was a very early good cynical example of Trump sort of seeing how far and how dubious he can push "conspiracy" theories that he knew were false but could exploit effectively a good lie for political means and receive free media attention. To Trump, it doesn't matter if the news cycle or news channels are bashing, criticizing, or character-assassinating you, what's most integral ingredient is that they discuss you, because that means you're relavent and you've obtained some measure of focus, concentration, and attention and how you monopolize or capitalize upon that will determine how you stay relavent or successful.

Trump's political media strategy, IMHO, from an historical perspective, is very similar to Dr. Joseph Georbels,.later, infamous Nazi propaganda minister. He was the closest thing the Nazis ever had to an intellectual. Before the Nazis rise to power or Hitler being appointed as Chancellor by Hindenburg in 1933, for several years in the late 20's and early 30's, Georbells was the Gauleiter (regional leader) for NSDAP in Berlin. Berlin, in terms of its political activism, leanings, was very left-leaning, and nearly 100 years ago, was a hotbed for SPD or KPD(German Communist Party) groups, movements and parties then it is now. Georbels knew that for the Nazis and Hitler to win power in Germany, they had to win over at least their fair share of supporters in Berlin, and make some kind of lasting impact. So, he devised a keen, devious strategy of combating the SPD and KPD at their own games: interrupting party functions, sending SA Brown shirts to start verbal or physical confrontations at rival political party meetings, disrupt Reichstag MPs speeches in bruakellers (beer halls). It didnt matter if the attention or publicity the Nazis recieved during this period was negative or unflattering, or condemning, what matters is that Communists, social Democrats, and their media mouthpieces or centrist media forums discussed them.

Georbbels summarized his specific media political attention strategy as "The Berliner might insult us, demean us, curse us but as long as he talks about us, we have at least achieved some success in achieving our eventual goals". He was a master of media relations, he toyed, manipulated, and exploited all different forms of existing and new forms of media, like radio and even television and full-length feature propaganda films.

 

[MT15]

At the risk of further derailment, I just saw this piece, wherein Fox has presented people who are political operatives without disclosure. They pretended they are just ordinary people. Not as bad as birtherism, but just another example of their rank dishonesty.

‘Nearly a dozen of the Fox News guests the network has presented as concerned parents or educators who oppose the teaching of so-called “critical race theory” in schools also have day jobs as Republican strategists, conservative think-tankers, or right-wing media personalities, according to a Media Matters review.’

Fox’s anti-“critical race theory” parents are also GOP activists

www.mediamatters.org

Media Matters is left wing, but they are factual. They are set up to monitor right wing disinformation. So while you won’t read about left wing disinformation from them, if they say something happened, it’s factual.

 

[Saintman2884]

At the risk of further derailment, I just saw this piece, wherein Fox has presented people who are political operatives without disclosure. They pretended they are just ordinary people. Not as bad as birtherism, but just another example of their rank dishonesty.

‘Nearly a dozen of the Fox News guests the network has presented as concerned parents or educators who oppose the teaching of so-called “critical race theory” in schools also have day jobs as Republican strategists, conservative think-tankers, or right-wing media personalities, according to a Media Matters review.’

Fox’s anti-“critical race theory” parents are also GOP activists

www.mediamatters.org

Media Matters is left wing, but they are factual. They are set up to monitor right wing disinformation. So while you won’t read about left wing disinformation from them, if they say something happened, it’s factual.

Media Matters might be more factual then other right-leaning conservative sites, but they have a problem of extending the goalposts to calling on BS on left-leaning and Democratic candidates, and they've been hammered appropriately for it, especially in their almost-absurd defense of criticism aimed at Hillary Clinton and her political decisions or in her 2016 presidential campaign?
And why are they so afraid to call out their own when they spew out bullshirt or sensationalize news stories, the New Republic doesn't or New York Times doesn't either. Why is Media Matters so reticent about calling out bullshirt on their side, and their side does plenty(World Can't Wait, here's looking at you) but so gung-ho on everyone else with an opposing opinion? If their sole job or purpose is to call out only right-wing online media misinformation, then ultimately, their setting themselves up potentially to being nothing more then just a partisan one-sided hack site like Drudge Report or being marginalized as one-sided idealogues?

 

[MT15]

Sigh. Media Matters has a stated purpose, and that is to monitor right wing disinformation. They state as such on their website:

‘Media Matters for America is a web-based, not-for-profit, 501 (c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.’​

They‘re not trying to monitor ALL disinformation and they state that clearly. So, no, you won’t find them cataloging left wing nonsense, and you know that going in. But, they get good marks for accuracy on what they cover.

Here is their rating from MediaBiasFactCheck:

• Overall, we rate Media Matters Left Biased based on selectively checking right-wing sources and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

 

[Saintman2884]

Sigh. Media Matters has a stated purpose, and that is to monitor right wing disinformation. They state as such on their website:

‘Media Matters for America is a web-based, not-for-profit, 501 (c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.’​

They‘re not trying to monitor ALL disinformation and they state that clearly. So, no, you won’t find them cataloging left wing nonsense, and you know that going in. But, they get good marks for accuracy on what they cover.

Here is their rating from MediaBiasFactCheck:

• Overall, we rate Media Matters Left Biased based on selectively checking right-wing sources and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

No need for getting exasperated or doing any SMH memes, MT 15, your reply gave me all the relevant information I needed to know, and that's okay, I get it.

 

[MT15]

Sorry I got exasperated, it’s just that I tried to head off that objection which is seen every single time Media Matters is brought up, by explaining it in the post where I first quoted Media Matters. The one right before you went off on them being one-sided.

This is what I said right before your post

‘Media Matters is left wing, but they are factual. They are set up to monitor right wing disinformation. So while you won’t read about left wing disinformation from them, if they say something happened, it’s factual.’

 

[MT15]

Interesting article where a trio of auditors who actually know how to do election audits have analyzed votes from Maricopa County and found that there were a lot of Republicans who split their ballot.

Arizona election analysis finds GOP voters disenchanted with Trump helped Biden win - Washington Examiner

An unofficial bipartisan election analysis conducted respectively to the Senate-led recount of 2.1 million ballots in Arizona's Maricopa County concluded that Republicans disenchanted with then-President Donald Trump were responsible for his loss in the 2020 election.Benny White, a Republican...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Wasn't sure what thread to put this in

Interesting article on far right people of color
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.......People of color are a tiny fraction of that world, but analysts say they play an outsized role in challenging perceptions. The common refrain that white supremacy is a main driver of the far right is complicated when Black or Brown figures speak publicly for Stop the Steal, the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and other factions that are under scrutiny. The trend is forcing new ways to think about, and talk about, the far right’s appeal.........

The mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 was overwhelmingly White, but the official speaker lineup for the rally that day was more diverse.
Vernon Jones, a Black former Georgia state lawmaker, and Katrina Pierson, a Black adviser and former spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, were among the speakers parroting the baseless assertion that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. Another familiar face was main rally organizer Ali Alexander, born in Texas as Ali Abdul-Razaq Akbar, of mixed Black American and Middle Eastern descent.

Despite a murky past that includes felony convictions, Alexander became a darling of the right-wing pundit class, with ties to a laundry list of far-right extremists and to just as many MAGA Republican figures. Alexander’s rise, in large part, is linked to his willingness to use race as a political weapon.

Alexander promoted the “birther” campaign against Obama, tweeting that he is an “African man (he is not Black!).” Years later, Alexander similarly targeted then-candidate Kamala D. Harris, whose father is Jamaican, by calling her “not an American Black.” He added that he was “so sick of people robbing American Blacks (like myself) of our history. It’s disgusting.”

Today, the 35-year-old Alexander is reportedly in hiding after facing blowback for his role as an organizer on Jan. 6; federal authorities are investigating possible connections between Alexander and the Capitol rioters. Still, he has managed to keep churning out videos, seeking money and vowing revenge.

“I’ve been licking my wounds, but I’ve been plotting. I’ve been planning. I’ve been scheming,” Alexander said in February in a video on Trovo, a gaming platform he turned to after being kicked off other sites. “Because we have to do away with this whole system.” He did not respond to The Washington Post’s attempts to reach him for comment.

Alexander is part of a cohort of ultraconservative people of color who are fixtures on right-wing lecture circuits and podcasts that trade in racist or bigoted stereotypes.

Filipino American pundit Michelle Malkin, for example, has defended the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, supported the post-9/11 racial profiling of Arabs and Muslims, and promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about George Soros. After Malkin publicly praised white nationalists and the Proud Boys, she was dropped by the speakers bureau of the Young America’s Foundation, a conservative youth group. The foundation tweeted, “There is no room in mainstream conservatism or at YAF for holocaust deniers, white nationalists, street brawlers, or racists.”

Malkin did not respond to requests for comment.

“Part of their standing on the White right is that they’re constantly willing to attack other people of color and say anti-Black things in ways that kind of ingratiate them to White conservatives,” said Martinez HoSang, the professor. “Whereas there’s another group of conservatives of color that refuses to do that, sees it as racist and wants to build a conservatism that isn’t predicated on those racist assumptions.”...............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/minorities-far-right-visible-role/2021/05/16/e7ba8338-a915-11eb-8c1a-56f0cb4ff3b5_story.html