They did not shut down the global economy because of a virus. (1 Viewer)

[cxz37]

They probably did it because their financial system is on life support and they needed an excuse. The only way for them to continue to stay in power is with something that has even more control over us. Like Chinas social credit surveillance for example + a 100% digital currency. And also a much lower global population obviously.

 

[MT15]

You guys are far better than I. I assumed the video was shirt because the person posting it hasn’t yet presented a lucid thought. Not burning any brain cells watched bat shirt crazy videos.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

You guys are far better than I. I assumed the video was shirt because the person posting it hasn’t yet presented a lucid thought. Not burning any brain cells watched bat shirt crazy videos.

C'mon. You mean you don't want to know how the Luciferians are controlling the money and want to make digital currency mandatory.. I'm sure its in the bible somewhere that Jesus says watch out for the digital currecy..lol

 

[zztop]

If you watch the video, its the Luciferians.. lol
(i attempted to watch it)

I watched the whole thing. Just a bunch of vague but insane bullshirt. Oh and on his facebook he, unsurprisingly, is anti vax. This person reminds me of my neighbor that sent me a video about how Bill Gates put a microchip in all the vaccines and wants to control people's minds... or something to that effect

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I like how cxz37 posted that video is thinking "if they watch this, the'll understand the truth". lol
All that video did was make him look more crazy, which is usually the case with conspiracy theorists.
He still hasn't answered a question i asked. I'll ask again in case i didn't ask it correctly the first time.

cxz37, Can you provide any proof or evidence that the gov't wants to ONLY use digital currency and make it mandatory for all transactions? And how they would benefit more from it than they do now with controlling the physical currency?

 

[RebSaint]

I'm not watching that crap, but whenever someone starts spouting off about conspiracies about bankers and banking with pronouns without any specific referents (they repeated over and over again), it smells a lot like a dog whistle for antisemitism.

 

[efil4]

Listen to this guy. He worked for the criminals in the banking system. He seems very honest. But why do you suppose there are no "they"? Every person is sweet and kind? They never lie to you on television? All commercials are for your own good?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn5NEvwKJla8qfzgc5-oInQ

its 10:22 am here...what time is it there?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

its 10:22 am here...what time is it there?

Ok, Google...

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I watched the whole thing. Just a bunch of vague but insane bullshirt. Oh and on his facebook he, unsurprisingly, is anti vax. This person reminds me of my neighbor that sent me a video about how Bill Gates put a microchip in all the vaccines and wants to control people's minds... or something to that effect

Tell your neighbor that if it was true, he would have made his wife stay. lol

 

[JRad]

Tell your neighbor that if it was true, he would have made his wife stay. lol

Maybe he made her leave *dun dun dun*

 

[cxz37]

I like how cxz37 posted that video is thinking "if they watch this, the'll understand the truth". lol
All that video did was make him look more crazy, which is usually the case with conspiracy theorists.
He still hasn't answered a question i asked. I'll ask again in case i didn't ask it correctly the first time.

cxz37, Can you provide any proof or evidence that the gov't wants to ONLY use digital currency and make it mandatory for all transactions? And how they would benefit more from it than they do now with controlling the physical currency?

Someone asked who "they" are. Did you expect me to send you a link to an interview on CNN?


This is starting to get scary. You actually believe there are no conspiracies because media told you so? Except the MSM approved conspiracy theory that Russians are behind everything evil i guess. People never lie? They never have a hidden agenda?

Just one example: You believe they put the industrial waste product Fluoride in your drinking water because they care about you?

Or is it that you believe conspiracies over a certain level fall apart? Where and why? Over 1000 people involved?





I don´t have any doubts that there are evil people conspiring though. But it is also just how the financial system is set up. You don´t have to view it from a perspective of a great conspiracy. From within the debt has to grow otherwise the economy can´t expand. Who believe we will ever be able to pay this debt? So they print.



If some cabal are planning for a 100% digital currency why on earth would they tell us? If they told us it would create lots of market turmoil and make it harder for them to reach their goal.

And why would they not want a 100% digital currency? Federal reserve and other central banks have been printing for years and without it the stock markets would crash. But eventually it leads to the dollars collapse and hyperinflation.

What choice do they have if they want to control money and rule over us? Billions of people with individual freedom will not be ideal for them when the system comes crashing down. I do see other solutions without them having all the power. Like close financial cooperation between the larger nations. Then debt can be cancelled i guess without much trouble in markets.


I wrote before that there are those in the Biden administration who wants war between Russia and U.S. I am told this spiritually.

Perhaps because Covid fascism did not work as expected for them. It´s much easier to handle a fearful population. The fake liberals and left are even ready to abandon democracy and human rights for the flu i mean.

 

[brandon]

Someone asked who "they" are. Did you expect me to send you a link to an interview on CNN?


This is starting to get scary. You actually believe there are no conspiracies because media told you so? Except the MSM approved conspiracy theory that Russians are behind everything evil i guess. People never lie? They never have a hidden agenda?

Just one example: You believe they put the industrial waste product Fluoride in your drinking water because they care about you?

Or is it that you believe conspiracies over a certain level fall apart? Where and why? Over 1000 people involved?





I don´t have any doubts that there are evil people conspiring though. But it is also just how the financial system is set up. You don´t have to view it from a perspective of a great conspiracy. From within the debt has to grow otherwise the economy can´t expand. Who believe we will ever be able to pay this debt? So they print.



If some cabal are planning for a 100% digital currency why on earth would they tell us? If they told us it would create lots of market turmoil and make it harder for them to reach their goal.

And why would they not want a 100% digital currency? Federal reserve and other central banks have been printing for years and without it the stock markets would crash. But eventually it leads to the dollars collapse and hyperinflation.

What choice do they have if they want to control money and rule over us? Billions of people with individual freedom will not be ideal for them when the system comes crashing down. I do see other solutions without them having all the power. Like close financial cooperation between the larger nations. Then debt can be cancelled i guess without much trouble in markets.


I wrote before that there are those in the Biden administration who wants war between Russia and U.S. I am told this spiritually.

Perhaps because Covid fascism did not work as expected for them. It´s much easier to handle a fearful population. The fake liberals and left are even ready to abandon democracy and human rights for the flu i mean.

Your English is too bad for you to be Swedish.

 

[RobF]

Maybe we should make this the "what's up with conspiracy theorists, how do they even work?" thread, since we have a classic example here:

Someone asked who "they" are. Did you expect me to send you a link to an interview on CNN?

So note here how the conspiracy theorist won't, or can't, answer the essential question, and instead attempts to frame the question itself as not valid. It remains a valid, and essential, question of course. If someone wishes to assert that 'they' are doing something, they must be able to define who 'they' are; otherwise, the assertion is meaningless.

This is starting to get scary. You actually believe there are no conspiracies because media told you so? Except the MSM approved conspiracy theory that Russians are behind everything evil i guess. People never lie? They never have a hidden agenda?

Here, the conspiracy theorist first attempts to conflate skepticism and dismissal of their (patently wrong) theories with denial of all conspiracies. This is clearly flawed; it's entirely possible to recognise that conspiracies can exist in general, while also recognising that the conspiracy theorist's own notions are laughable.

They then attack the listener's ability to think independently by suggesting that their skepticism must be derived from simply believing media. The intention is to provoke the listener into engaging with the conspiracy theory in order to demonstrate their independent thought in response to the attack on it.

(Although then they undermine their notion that the media suggests there are no conspiracies by immediately giving one example of the media reporting on conspiracies. Not sure they thought that one through.)

The final two rhetorical questions are meant to conflate dismissal of the conspiracy theorist's beliefs with absurd notions of people never lying, or having hidden agendas; as before, people can of course dismiss the conspiracy theorist's beliefs as absurd while also recognising that people lie and have hidden agendas. This rhetoric is another cheap attempt to reframe it, by wrongly conflating recognising that people lie with validating the theorist's wild ideas. The crude notion is that if you accept the framing, then by recognising that people lie, you'll have to engage with the theorist's ideas. This is, of course, a false framing.

Just one example: You believe they put the industrial waste product Fluoride in your drinking water because they care about you?

Note this 'example' has no evidence, no reasoning given. This is typical. Not just because there is no compelling evidence - there's plenty of superficial 'evidence' in the form of pseudo-scientific blogs and rambling YouTube videos they could, and probably would, provide - but by provoking the listener to request it, they've gained their initial engagement.

Or is it that you believe conspiracies over a certain level fall apart? Where and why? Over 1000 people involved?

Wild conspiracy theories often fall apart because to not be false, they would require completely implausible levels of coordination and secrecy. Here, the conspiracy theorist attempts to preempt that criticism, by invoking it themselves and excluding the behaviour of individuals by framing it as simply being 'X number of people involved'.

And so on. I'll just cover a couple more:

I wrote before that there are those in the Biden administration who wants war between Russia and U.S. I am told this spiritually.

If left to ramble long enough, the conspiracy theorist will often go too far afield and claim to have their own secret informants they can't reveal, or divine knowledge, or, y'know, claim they're "told this spiritually." This is more a betrayal of their own psychology than anything else; ultimately, they can neither back up their own beliefs rationally, nor can they bring themselves to admit, or even recognise, they've been fooled into them themselves. Resorting to faith is as much of an out as they can find.

Perhaps because Covid fascism did not work as expected for them. It´s much easier to handle a fearful population. The fake liberals and left are even ready to abandon democracy and human rights for the flu i mean.

And we finish with the crying-laughing emoji. All too often the last resort of the hopelessly lost.

Basically, it's just crude psychological manipulation through cheap rhetoric and framing. But it evidently worked on them, so you can kind of see why they might think it would work on everyone else too.

 

[superchuck500]

Thank you Rob for finding a way to make this thread productive.

 

[Xeno]

Maybe we should make this the "what's up with conspiracy theorists, how do they even work?" thread, since we have a classic example here:


So note here how the conspiracy theorist won't, or can't, answer the essential question, and instead attempts to frame the question itself as not valid. It remains a valid, and essential, question of course. If someone wishes to assert that 'they' are doing something, they must be able to define who 'they' are; otherwise, the assertion is meaningless.


Here, the conspiracy theorist first attempts to conflate skepticism and dismissal of their (patently wrong) theories with denial of all conspiracies. This is clearly flawed; it's entirely possible to recognise that conspiracies can exist in general, while also recognising that the conspiracy theorist's own notions are laughable.

They then attack the listener's ability to think independently by suggesting that their skepticism must be derived from simply believing media. The intention is to provoke the listener into engaging with the conspiracy theory in order to demonstrate their independent thought in response to the attack on it.

(Although then they undermine their notion that the media suggests there are no conspiracies by immediately giving one example of the media reporting on conspiracies. Not sure they thought that one through.)

The final two rhetorical questions are meant to conflate dismissal of the conspiracy theorist's beliefs with absurd notions of people never lying, or having hidden agendas; as before, people can of course dismiss the conspiracy theorist's beliefs as absurd while also recognising that people lie and have hidden agendas. This rhetoric is another cheap attempt to reframe it, by wrongly conflating recognising that people lie with validating the theorist's wild ideas. The crude notion is that if you accept the framing, then by recognising that people lie, you'll have to engage with the theorist's ideas. This is, of course, a false framing.



Note this 'example' has no evidence, no reasoning given. This is typical. Not just because there is no compelling evidence - there's plenty of superficial 'evidence' in the form of pseudo-scientific blogs and rambling YouTube videos they could, and probably would, provide - but by provoking the listener to request it, they've gained their initial engagement.


Wild conspiracy theories often fall apart because to not be false, they would require completely implausible levels of coordination and secrecy. Here, the conspiracy theorist attempts to preempt that criticism, by invoking it themselves and excluding the behaviour of individuals by framing it as simply being 'X number of people involved'.

And so on. I'll just cover a couple more:


If left to ramble long enough, the conspiracy theorist will often go too far afield and claim to have their own secret informants they can't reveal, or divine knowledge, or, y'know, claim they're "told this spiritually." This is more a betrayal of their own psychology than anything else; ultimately, they can neither back up their own beliefs rationally, nor can they bring themselves to admit, or even recognise, they've been fooled into them themselves. Resorting to faith is as much of an out as they can find.


And we finish with the crying-laughing emoji. All too often the last resort of the hopelessly lost.

Basically, it's just crude psychological manipulation through cheap rhetoric and framing. But it evidently worked on them, so you can kind of see why they might think it would work on everyone else too.

I couldn't help but read this in David Attenborough's voice.

 

[superchuck500]

I couldn't help but read this in David Attenborough's voice.

That's how I hear all of Rob's posts.

 

[efil4]

RobF getting close to Mamba status.

 

[cxz37]

If you think it´s a wild theory then perhaps you can write why? You could not have missed that central banks have done QE for years right? Why would they just sit back and wait for everything to crash? You can also search for George Gammon. He knows his stuff.

 

[brandon]

If you think it´s a wild theory then perhaps you can write why? You could not have missed that central banks have done QE for years right? Why would they just sit back and wait for everything to crash?

They aren't.