The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (14 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    I know this is late and may have been addressed, but...

    1) investigating allegations that have no evidence whatsoever (fraud was rampant enough to change the results of the election) is a waste of time, money, and resources.
    2) where the heck was this sort of thinking from the right when a credible allegation came out against Kavanaugh in his SC confirmation hearing? :unsure::unsure:
    1. Where were the Democrats on wasting time, money and resources for the last 4 years? We had a 2 1/3 year investigation on Russian disinformation.
    2. What was a creditable allegation about Kavanaugh? He liked beer? I don't think any allegation was backed up with evidence. Did I miss it?
     
    Biden still has 290, even if GA did some shenanigan's.

    Will the hand count hold up in court, if their law is to recount using the tabulation machines?

    Yeah, I'm not understanding the rationale for doing a hand recount. I mean, the only thing I can think of is they want to drag it out. But if the law says to count it a certain way, they need to do that.
     
    But if it can happen in GA, what about PA, AZ, and WI, where things are close? They each have Republican legislatures.
    Pa and Wi have a dem governor so the law says if two electoral groups are sent to dc and the house and senate can’t agree which one is picked, it goes back to the governor.
     
    1. Where were the Democrats on wasting time, money and resources for the last 4 years? We had a 2 1/3 year investigation on Russian disinformation.
    2. What was a creditable allegation about Kavanaugh? He liked beer? I don't think any allegation was backed up with evidence. Did I miss it?
    1. there was credible intelligence. And it resulted in exactly what was suspected.

    There is no credible evidence of mass voter fraud. None.

    Republicans have resorted to offering $1,000,000 reward to anyone - think about that - a REWARD of $1,000,000 . They are so desperate to find ANYTHING, that they will PAY for it.

    So you rail on the investigations of Russian activities, yet think this is perfectly fine.

    Once again...LOL. Yall have no boundaries. None.

    I swear ...the GOP should require all GOP members to tattoo themselves with "Its only ok when WE do it".
     
    Pa and Wi have a dem governor so the law says if two electoral groups are sent to dc and the house and senate can’t agree which one is picked, it goes back to the governor.

    are we 100% that this is true? id like to believe it.
     
    If any of you allow yourselves to get drug down the Russian Investigation rabbit hole again I will virtually slap you. It won't hurt, but it will be very firm and open-palmed, virtually.

    If you were @MT15, I'd might consider that. But yeah, I'm gonna stay away from that rabbit hole.

    :biglol:
     
    Just because you don't like the messenger doesn't mean the message should be disregarded.

    This line above is just...so rich....I guess when the messenger creates untrue/false messages time and time again then, yeah, the message and the messenger become that much closer to the same thing....I mean do you really believe this BS?
     
    I was listening to two folks on NPR.. one was a Republican strategist and the other a, I believe, conservative news writer.

    Something one of them said, that made me think a little further down the road..

    What if the Republican Leadership is doing all this just to keep Trump from going scorched earth? Both against their own party (he is still a king maker for now), and in government agencies.

    Most of the Republican leadership is on this message about "finishing the process of counting legal votes, the president is within his right to challenge things in court, etc" Which is mostly true. There is nothing wrong with the concept of it. The execution however, is a bit more dicey.

    They aren't, like Trump, calling it massive fraud or that Trump won the election.

    They're giving him enough rope to keep going (good or bad).

    Are they just trying to keep him occupied with the least harmful option?

    It's good to be hopeful. But I don't know about this one above, it's got a kind of Susan Collins feel (I didn't vote for impeachment because I believe he has learned his lesson)....We will see, there is little evidence to show that most of the R leadership won't not do anything to get the results changed....
     
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