The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (18 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     


    I couldn't care less if this has been posted ten times already. Everyone needs to not only read it (the whole 20 part thread) but pay attention to what's going on and, when necessary, take action (or in the words of Propaghandi: "Tear the Whole forking Thing Down!")
     
    I was listening to two folks on NPR.. one was a Republican strategist and the other a, I believe, conservative news writer.

    Something one of them said, that made me think a little further down the road..

    What if the Republican Leadership is doing all this just to keep Trump from going scorched earth? Both against their own party (he is still a king maker for now), and in government agencies.

    Most of the Republican leadership is on this message about "finishing the process of counting legal votes, the president is within his right to challenge things in court, etc" Which is mostly true. There is nothing wrong with the concept of it. The execution however, is a bit more dicey.

    They aren't, like Trump, calling it massive fraud or that Trump won the election.

    They're giving him enough rope to keep going (good or bad).

    Are they just trying to keep him occupied with the least harmful option?
     
    Biden is now up by 5M votes in the popular vote.

    Biden’s lead in GA is 14,111.
    What about AZ?

    I have a feeling that if AZ is clearly in Biden's column, the pressure on the GOP to concede the obvious may be too much.
     
    What about AZ?

    I have a feeling that if AZ is clearly in Biden's column, the pressure on the GOP to concede the obvious may be too much.
    Still at about 13,000 and they're showing 99% reporting.. I don't think anyone really believes there's enough left for him there to make up the deficit.
     
    I was listening to two folks on NPR.. one was a Republican strategist and the other a, I believe, conservative news writer.

    Something one of them said, that made me think a little further down the road..

    What if the Republican Leadership is doing all this just to keep Trump from going scorched earth? Both against their own party (he is still a king maker for now), and in government agencies.

    Most of the Republican leadership is on this message about "finishing the process of counting legal votes, the president is within his right to challenge things in court, etc" Which is mostly true. There is nothing wrong with the concept of it. The execution however, is a bit more dicey.

    They aren't, like Trump, calling it massive fraud or that Trump won the election.

    They're giving him enough rope to keep going (good or bad).

    Are they just trying to keep him occupied with the least harmful option?

    This makes a lot of sense to me. I'm sure there are back room discussions going on about how to manage this in a way that gets them to the finish line without causing Trump to go off the reservation. He's still President and will be until Jan 20. He could cause a lot of damage between now and then if he goes full scorched earth. So keeping him occupied and distracted probably isn't a bad goal here.
     
    They're giving him enough rope to keep going (good or bad).

    Are they just trying to keep him occupied with the least harmful option?

    Some of the comments have really sounded like they are just hedging their bets. I'm sure some of them are legit bought in, but by and large I think Republican Leadership knows the ship has sailed. You can at least say "yea I supported his right to make valid legal claims, unfortunately it wasn't meant to be" or whatever.
     
    Just heard they are going to do a hand recount in GA, rather than a normal tabulated count that law requires. I’m guessing the Dems will take the recount method to court. Trump wanted a hand count. Since it is law, I’m not sure how the SOS can by pass the law.
     
    So the Georgia SoS stated they they will be doing a hand recount, which will take a while. This might be enough for the legislature to step in and name electors if things approach the deadline for electors to vote.
     
    So the Georgia SoS stated they they will be doing a hand recount, which will take a while. This might be enough for the legislature to step in and name electors if things approach the deadline for electors to vote.
    Biden still has 290, even if GA did some shenanigan's.

    Will the hand count hold up in court, if their law is to recount using the tabulation machines?
     

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