The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (18 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Are you serious? That story is ridiculous and Project Veritas has no shame. What a con artist organization that is. I thought at some point they had a decent reputation (or am I confused with a different organization)?
    No, they wanted us all to think they were actually after the truth. They've always selectively edited stuff. I think at best, one of their stories was actually kind of true. More of a happy accident.
     
    Project Veritas is going to talk that poor schmuck into committing felony perjury, and GoFundMe has already said it won't allow anyone to withdraw the money raised (they will refund the donors), so that guy should probably just shut the fork up and find a criminal defense lawyer now.
     
    Oh, they're all coming out of the woodwork. So, which case was this for? And it sounds like they only actually observed 5 or 6 ballots cast for Biden.. not tens of thousands...

     
    Are you serious? That story is ridiculous and Project Veritas has no shame. What a con artist organization that is. I thought at some point they had a decent reputation (or am I confused with a different organization)?

    I think you’re confusing them with someone else. My guess is Project Veritas came up with some serious cash, since that seems to motivate him.
     
    How dare we count all eligible ballots...


    STUPID.

    Again, the Dems are accused of cheating in the presidential election but they didn't cheat in any of the congressional elections. STUPID.

    If I was going to cheat an election, I would have flipped the Senate because there is ample evidence that the Senate is where the power lies, McConnel has shown the way.

    He has, over the last eight years, manipulated SCOTUS and the federal court system, turned congress into a rubber stamp for trump and passed nothing for Obama.
     
    Oh, they're all coming out of the woodwork. So, which case was this for? And it sounds like they only actually observed 5 or 6 ballots cast for Biden.. not tens of thousands...



    Here's the problem with these kinds of allegations (that boxes of suspicious ballots came in all for Biden and were immediately counted).

    A received mailed ballot has to be verified before being counted - I suspect this is a requirement everywhere but it certainly is in Michigan. The mailed-ballot has a signature and a certification (an attestation under penalty) and the election workers check the ballot against the voter registration and compare signature before the vote can be counted.

    So these allegations claim that large boxes full of ballots came in at 4:30am that were then counted and were all for Biden. Under the nose of observers and reporters.

    The only way that could possibly happen is if numerous election staff were in on it because they would have to somehow circumvent the verification process. And they would have had to be confident they could pull it off without being caught because that would be about six to 10 simultaneous crimes, felonies under federal and state law, in the most high-profile public event in the world right now - and I just don't buy that handfuls or scores of election workers are going to risk potential double-digit jail sentences to conspire to alter the outcome of a United States presidential election.

    If they came from some external source unknown to the precinct workers, they certainly wouldn't be able to be verified against the authentic rolls - that's almost inconceivable as to how someone could pull that off.

    Verification at p. 11:
     
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    So the set aside ballots in PA amount to not much. Will the lawsuit just be dismissed?


    Yeah but, what about the counting machines hacked by Fusion GPS to turn 1 vote for trump into 1000 votes to Biden? Or the thousands of MIVs from out of state dead people?
     
    This is the Hunter Biden story all over again. It’s so scattershot you can’t even keep it straight. They are just flinging dung against the wall and seeing if anything sticks.
    This one's so dumb, worse than the Hunter Biden story... at least Hunter Biden's been an idiot so it make some things (seem) plausible.. ..

    This is just an incoherent temper tantrum.. and you're getting this because Trump has in fact lost and now that his back is truly up against the wall he's got nothing left but to lead his die-hard supporters in incoherent temper tantrums.

    The actual funny/sad part is that they in some instances have brought those incoherent temper tantrums to court..
     

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