The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Texan1211]

LOL, you clearly underestimate the tremendous power of accurately quoting someone,,, out of context... .

These are after all your actual words; ... "with me being totally against all such programs."
May I suggest some further reading for you?

The Theory & Practice of Gamesmanship

www.google.com

I can not understand context for others. The quote of mine is void context, which can change meanings.

 

[SamAndreas]

I can not understand context for others. The quote of mine is void context, which can change meanings.

What I just demonstrated is just the first stage of Criminals favorite gambet. He says something which will lend to suggest he's saying a whole lot more when the context is stripped from it. The criminal purposefully engineers the way in which he will be taken out of context.

Media persons take the bait, they strip away the context and quote him, uproar results, then he comes back and say's I didn't say that.

And he didn't quite say that. He didn't quite say he would shoot anyone on fifth avenue.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

How do you think we got trillions in debt?

We got trillions in debt because starting in the 80's Republicans developed the attitude that "deficits don't matter" and we built out the massive military-industrial complex, and corporate subsidies, combined with constant tax cuts that got us here.

In addition, we did a continous move of centralizing more and more power and activity away from the states and up to the federal government. It's not becuase of things like job programs that aren't even a pimple on the national budgets butt.

Efficiency is not the cause of the national debt. The problems are macro, not micro. Reducing it will require tough choices around taxes, the military, and entitlements that we don't have the political will to do and the kinds of nonsense being discussed won't even put a dent in it. It's just distracting from the real problems.

 

[Texan1211]

What I just demonstrated is just the first stage of Criminals favorite gambet. He says something which will lend to suggest he's saying a whole lot more when the context is stripped from it. The criminal purposefully engineers the way in which he will be taken out of context.

Media persons take the bait, they strip away the context and quote him, uproar results, then he comes back and say's I didn't say that.

And he didn't quite say that. He didn't quite say he would shoot anyone on fifth avenue.

Oh, God, spare me the Trump poutrage, please.

 

[Texan1211]

We got trillions in debt because starting in the 80's Republicans developed the attitude that "deficits don't matter" and we built out the massive military-industrial complex, subsidies, combined with constant tax cuts that got us here.

In addition, we did a continous move of centralizing more and more power and activity away from the states and up to the federal government. It's not becuase of things like job programs that aren't even a pimple on the national budgets butt.

Efficiency is not the cause of the national debt. The problems are macro, not micro. Reducing it will require tough choices around taxes, the military, and entitlements that we don't have the political will to do and the kinds of nonsense being discussed won't even put a dent in it. It's just distracting from the real problems.

There are no fiscal conservatives in DC with any power to affect change. Republican or Democrat.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

There are no fiscal conservatives in DC with any power to affect change. Republican or Democrat.

Agreed. Can we agree that barely scratching the edges of these minor things will have zero effect?

I'm a big thinker. I don't want to waste time on things that don't fix the problem. I want big solutions that can make actual change. We are on a completely unsustainable course and debating job programs doesn't get us there. I promise if we discussed big solutions you and I would have a ton of agreement. As long as we are in the weeds we never will because that won't change anything and I'm never going to even invest time into discussing non-factor issues.

This is the problem with discussions on "efficiency." Even if you improve efficiency by, say, 5%, you'd only have a .00001% impact on the deficit, and that would be eroded over time because those inefficiencies would just reappear almost immediately in a bureaucracy of this size. It's too large to enforce efficiency in.

 

[Texan1211]

Can we agree that barely scratching the edges of these minor things will have zero effect?

We need to start somewhere. Start small, make the cuts seem more palatable.

Agreed. Can we agree that barely scratching the edges of these minor things will have zero effect?

I'm a big thinker. I don't want to waste time on things that don't fix the problem. I want big solutions that can make actual change. We are on a completely unsustainable course and debating job programs doesn't get us there. I promise if we discussed big solutions you and I would have a ton of agreement. As long as we are in the weeds we never will because that won't change anything and I'm never going to even invest time into discussing non-factor issues.

This is the problem with discussions on "efficiency." Even if you improve efficiency by, say, 5%, you'd only have a .00001% impact on the deficit, and that would be eroded over time because those inefficiencies would just reappear almost immediately in a bureaucracy of this size. It's too large to enforce efficiency in.

 

[SamAndreas]

Oh, God, spare me the Trump poutrage, please.

Who, or what, is this Trump???

A noun, sounds like something which would have a long flexible proboscis instead of a nose.

Tusks.

 

[Texan1211]

Who, or what, is this Trump???

A noun, sounds like something which would have a long flexible proboscis instead of a nose.

Tusks.

The same guy Democrats have been obsessing over.

 

[SamAndreas]

Agreed. Can we agree that barely scratching the edges of these minor things will have zero effect?

I'm a big thinker. I don't want to waste time on things that don't fix the problem. I want big solutions that can make actual change. We are on a completely unsustainable course and debating job programs doesn't get us there. I promise if we discussed big solutions you and I would have a ton of agreement. As long as we are in the weeds we never will because that won't change anything and I'm never going to even invest time into discussing non-factor issues.

This is the problem with discussions on "efficiency." Even if you improve efficiency by, say, 5%, you'd only have a .00001% impact on the deficit, and that would be eroded over time because those inefficiencies would just reappear almost immediately in a bureaucracy of this size. It's too large to enforce efficiency in.

I agree.

Besides it's silly to be discussing inferior chorminian alloy assay which might be found in a production casting at the point that one is just starting to design the 1939 pontiac hood ornament.

A thing of grace and beauty, what?

 

[Sendai]

score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science. Discussions about why the United States' education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation.
Government in the US is very much state governments who decides funding. Some example which shows that state governments are the culprit - not the DOE. And again - schools emphasize tests not learning.



Other states who has refused funding for their schools are Texas and Florida

One significant factor contributing to lower academic performance is the year of education lost due to the mishandling of the pandemic under the Trump administration. This disruption will have long-term effects on students who were in school during that time.

Another contributing factor is the redirection of substantial funding away from education for low-income children through the promotion of school vouchers. These programs primarily benefit middle- and upper-class families, leaving students from less affluent neighborhoods and lower-education backgrounds at a severe disadvantage.

No states have refused federal education funding.

Comparing test scores with other countries is not a level playing field. In a good many nations the non-academic students have been moved into trade/career training programs. We don’t do that and it dilutes the scores.

 

[Sendai]

An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 3​

What Is Not Part of the Department of Education's Role?
In creating the Department of Education, Congress specified that:
No provision of a program administered by the Secretary or by any other officer of the Department shall be construed to authorize the Secretary or any such officer to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system, over any accrediting agency or association, or over the selection or content of library resources, textbooks, or other instructional materials by any educational institution or school system, except to the extent authorized by law. (Section 103, Public Law 96-88)
Thus, the Department does not

• • establish schools and colleges;
  • develop curricula;
  • set requirements for enrollment and graduation;
  • determine state education standards; or
  • develop or implement testing to measure whether states are meeting their education standards.*

These are responsibilities handled by the various states and districts as well as by public and private organizations of all kinds, not by the U.S. Department of Education.
* Since 1969, the Department's National Center for Education Statistics has conducted the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP). It is the only nationally representative and continuing assessment of what American students know and can do in major academic subjects and provides a wealth of data about the condition of education in the U.S. NAEP is not the same as testing done by each state to measure how well its students meet the state's academic standards; however, a large discrepancy between children's proficiency on a state's test and their performance on NAEP may suggest the state needs to take a closer look at its standards and assessments and consider making improvements.

An Overview of the U.S. Department of Education-- Pg 3

The U.S. Department of Education is the agency of the federal government that establishes policy for, administers, and coordinates most federal assistance to education.

www.ed.gov

Federal funds make up 10-11% of a states education budget. Eliminate the Dept of Education and have Congress write each state a check.

 

[MT15]

No, I believe wasting money in the name of education is not great. Test scores overall in America have declined, as has our standing in the world. All this with the D of E.

I don’t think the Dept of Education has anything to do with actual student test scores, does it? It doesn’t actually educate students - the states do that. I also think test scores are a poor way to evaluate student achievement.

The federal department conducts research on education methods and provides the findings to the states. It also runs some training programs that are in the national interest.

I also don’t think the incoming administration has any desire to improve education in America. And they aren’t talking about improving it - just eliminating the dept of education.

 

[MT15]

No point to any discussion with someone who thinks there is no waste in government.

That is a ridiculous comment. You have invented a position I have not taken, pretended I did, and then expect me to argue your invention. No thank you.

Evidently nothing makes you madder than somebody doing to you what you feel is your right to do to them. lol. So typical.

 

[MT15]

Nope, never said that.
But if our world rankings were far better pre-Dept. of Education, does that not tell us something?

That correlation never ever equals causation?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Federal funds make up 10-11% of a states education budget. Eliminate the Dept of Education and have Congress write each state a check.

Yeah, no. Write a check with no accountability. That'll make the problem worse.

 

[Dragon]

Writing a check earmarked for education won't solve the root issues.

Many red states prioritize school voucher programs, which primarily benefit affluent families who can afford private schools (as vouchers rarely cover full costs). This approach drains resources from public schools, leaving less support for students who need it most—children from low-income families, those with overworked parents, or those with disabilities like dyslexia or ADHD. The result is an overall decline in educational equity and standards across the U.S

 

[Sendai]

Writing a check earmarked for education won't solve the root issues.

Many red states prioritize school voucher programs, which primarily benefit affluent families who can afford private schools (as vouchers rarely cover full costs). This approach drains resources from public schools, leaving less support for students who need it most—children from low-income families, those with overworked parents, or those with disabilities like dyslexia or ADHD. The result is an overall decline in educational equity and standards across the U.S

They’re already writing the check. Cut out the expense of the middleman by eliminating the department of education and you can write a much bigger check.

Root issue is the failure of inner city schools. Vouchers offer students in those school systems options. The local big city public school system has all new modern schools, teachers are well paid, and the state report card is abysmal. With the exception of the magnet school. It’s 5 star. And oddly in a 90 year old building.

Suburban public schools are doing fine.