The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Texan1211]

No. It does not do so arbitrarily. Do research into the financing methods of schools, the distribution of finances, the requirements for becoming a teacher, the methodolgies used to create standardized tests, the social/psychological conditions which students deal with etc.

You fail utterly because the department of education does not dictate the minutia of how states and local districts deal with education. For you the department of education is just another RW bugbear.

It tells me we are not currently getting the best return on our education dollars.

 

[Texan1211]

Saint Ronnie the Dim-Witted is a Republican idol.

As stated, I worship no man, and have no idols, either. Next insulting post from you in 3...2....1....go!

 

[bird]

It tells me we are not currently getting the best return on our education dollars.

No, it doesn’t. You understand nothing of education. It is not about returns. It never has been.

Republicans are cynics. As Oscar Wilde said: “A cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

Beyond that Von Hayek was utterly wrong. The price of something tells you virtually nothing about it.

 

[bird]

As stated, I worship no man, and have no idols, either. Next insulting post from you in 3...2....1....go!

Welp, I simply choose to not believe you based upon your writing. You worship Republicans and Trump. But go ahead. It makes no never mind.

 

[superchuck500]

Nope, never said that.
But if our world rankings were far better pre-Dept. of Education, does that not tell us something?

Yes, I think it suggests quite a few things . . . none of which is a sensible condemnation of the Department of Education.

I suppose you could sensibly say that the US has failed to keep its education standards high enough to maintain its position in world testing ranking but there are many factors and variables that bear on those scores. But yes, the US has been doing a relatively poor job for decades now. To the extent that your premise is that American education is failing, I completely agree - and I think most do.

But attributing it to the existence of a federal education department isn't persuasive. While about 90% of American schools get federal funding through the federal ED, schools and curricula are administered by the states. With a few very unusual exceptions, there are no federal primary and secondary schools

 

[Texan1211]

No, it doesn’t. You understand nothing of education. It is not about returns. It never has been.

Republicans are cynics. As Oscar Wilde said: “A cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”

Beyond that Von Hayek was utterly wrong. The price of something tells you virtually nothing about it.

You re really starting to crack me up here. Is debate necessary--do you need a person to oppose when you simply state what others think as if it is fact?
people unable to recognize inefficiencies and waste only support the status quo---which so far has resulted in us owing over $35 TRILLION dollars. Gee, that sounds swell, "May we have some more debt, please, master?"

 

[superchuck500]

One of the most unsettling things about MAGA is the utter disregard for facts and truth. They spin these tales of outrage and conspiracy for their own sake - it doesn’t matter if they’re true. And they’ve been doing it so long now, I don’t think they even realize it.

 

[SamAndreas]

Okey-dokey then. Remarkable waste of time.

A remarkable, I just looked up the Texas house bill 1211. It passed, it's now Texas law.

It's related to repayment of certain mental health professional education loans, one of those inefficient government educational programs Texan 1211 hates so much.

It's a hoot.

88(R) HB 1211 - Introduced version - Bill Text

 

[Texan1211]

It's related to repayment of certain mental health professional education loans, one of those inefficient government educational programs Texan 1211 hates so much.

I really hate it when posters outright lie about what I have written. I bet you can't quote me saying what you "claim" I support.
be honest at least.

 

[Dragon]

Education Rankings by Country 2025

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Education Rankings by Country 2024

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NCES Blog | Education at a Glance 2023: Putting U.S. Data in a Global Context

International comparisons provide reference points for researchers and policy analysts to understand

nces.ed.gov

score lower in math and science than students from many other countries. According to a Business Insider report in 2018, the U.S. ranked 38th in math scores and 24th in science. Discussions about why the United States' education rankings have fallen by international standards over the past three decades frequently point out that government spending on education has failed to keep up with inflation.
Government in the US is very much state governments who decides funding. Some example which shows that state governments are the culprit - not the DOE. And again - schools emphasize tests not learning.

Tennessee has not yet formally refused federal education funding in 2024, but lawmakers have been debating the possibility of rejecting approximately $1.2–1.9 billion in federal funds. An interim report by a working group explored the feasibility of such a move but stopped short of recommending it. The funds in question are critical for programs supporting students with disabilities and those facing food insecurity. The debate is ongoing, with significant opposition from educators and Democrats who emphasize the risks to educational equity

Other states who has refused funding for their schools are Texas and Florida

One significant factor contributing to lower academic performance is the year of education lost due to the mishandling of the pandemic under the Trump administration. This disruption will have long-term effects on students who were in school during that time.

Another contributing factor is the redirection of substantial funding away from education for low-income children through the promotion of school vouchers. These programs primarily benefit middle- and upper-class families, leaving students from less affluent neighborhoods and lower-education backgrounds at a severe disadvantage.

 

[SamAndreas]

Wow, I had no earthly idea you were all-knowing. Well, that or you are making silly assumptions based on absolutely nothing and trying to pass it off as "debate".
I don't care whose name is on some building, I just can't seem to get all worked up over such petty bullshirt. If someone donates and the school chooses to name a building after them. who really cares, and more importantly, why? What is it to anyone?

You said something I agree with.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Why do y'all keep bringing up the Dept. of Energy (DoE) in a conversation about the Dept. of Education (ED)? What's wrong with you people?
(To be fair, Chuck got it right.)

As someone who has worked in education for over two decades directly with ED, @superchuck500 is correct. ED can be streamlined, but they are not the problem. The states are. That is especially the case for those who want to focus too much on standardized testing (which is a failure) and taking money from public schools to give to religious zealots who are not educating our kids. We know this from the increased number of college students who have to take remedial courses before they can touch college level courses.

The U.S. Department of Education is no where near the problem with our educational system. The states are.

 

[Texan1211]

Welp, I simply choose to not believe you based upon your writing. You worship Republicans and Trump. But go ahead. It makes no never mind.

Say, you don't need me to debate, you are doing fine pretending you are having one. Why try to debate when you simply assign whatever you wish to argue to the other person no matter what others write? That is intellectually dishonest at best.

 

[bird]

Say, you don't need me to debate, you are doing fine pretending you are having one. Why try to debate when you simply assign whatever you wish to argue to the other person no matter what others write? That is intellectually dishonest at best.

Intellectual dishonesty is also making assertions with no evidence to back them up. For instance, when pressed you finally provided charts about where the U.S. “stands” as regards education. Wonderful. Yet, you did not attempt to tie that to your base assertion. That it proves the department of education is to blame for this all while ignoring it is states and local boards who control.

 

[Texan1211]

Intellectual dishonesty is also making assertions with no evidence to back them up. For instance, when pressed you finally provided charts about where the U.S. “stands” as regards education. Wonderful. Yet, you did not attempt to tie that to your base assertion. That it proves the department of education is to blame for this all while ignoring it is states and local boards who control.

Look, I can't understand my arguments or comments FOR you. At some point, you will need to actually respond to what I write not what you "think" I meant or said. This isn't hard to do, just try.
I didn't blame the Dept and defy you to quote me doing so.

 

[superchuck500]

To be fair, Chuck got it right.

It's like I always say . . .

 

[Texan1211]

Other states who has refused funding for their schools are Texas and Florida

How much money does the federal government provide Texas state and local government? | USAFacts

Our nation, in numbers. USAFacts provides a comprehensive, nonpartisan view of the state of our union.

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How much money does the federal government provide Florida state and local government? | USAFacts

Our nation, in numbers. USAFacts provides a comprehensive, nonpartisan view of the state of our union.

usafacts.org

Sigh..........................

 

[SamAndreas]

I really hate it when posters outright lie about what I have written. I bet you can't quote me saying what you "claim" I support.
be honest at least.

LOL, you clearly underestimate the tremendous power of accurately quoting someone,,, out of context... .

These are after all your actual words; ... "with me being totally against all such programs."
May I suggest some further reading for you?

The Theory & Practice of Gamesmanship

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