The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Texan1211]

Yes, I am glad you agree he was a waste of time.

Sorry, forgot how precise one must be to post to some folks.
What I consider a remarkable waste of time is braying about a man long since dead, who has zero control over ANYTHING at all, and whose policies which you seem to be complaining about were accepted by Democrats AND Republicans.
But sure, whining now seems real productive! LOL!

 

[bird]

WELL, it would have been nice to see what you think you proved. I was talking test scores, not GPAs, which are two VASTLY different things!
I'll give you credit for at least trying, though.

Test scores are, well, meaningless. Their purpose is to justify the existence of yet another private sector organization(s) seeking profit. They do not show how good, bad or indifferent the education system (there actually is no education “system”) is.

 

[Dragon]

Did you read it?

He did not. He missed this part :

Indeed, from such tests, many policymakers and pundits have wrongly concluded that student achievement in the United States lags woefully behind that in many comparable industrialized nations, that this shortcoming threatens the nation’s economic future, and that these test results therefore demand radical school reform that includes importing features of schooling in higher-scoring countries.

Having experienced both U.S. and Danish school systems, I’ve noticed a significant difference in their approach to education. In U.S. schools, the focus is often on studying to pass tests, which emphasizes memorizing answers and data. In contrast, Danish schools emphasize learning how to learn. The priority is on developing critical thinking skills, evaluating information, and finding the resources needed to solve problems.

This philosophy is reflected in their exam practices. Danish students are frequently allowed to use textbooks during exams, as the focus is not just on getting the correct answer but on demonstrating the reasoning behind it. To achieve top grades, students must present the correct answer alongside a clear explanation of how they arrived at it, supported by facts and logical arguments. A correct answer without a well-structured explanation typically receives only an average grade, as the ability to analyze and justify one's conclusions is highly valued. This approach means that it is easier for students to gain new knowledge and even to correctly find answers to examination questions, they haven't encountered previously.

 

[Dragon]

WELL, it would have been nice to see what you think you proved. I was talking test scores, not GPAs, which are two VASTLY different things!
I'll give you credit for at least trying, though.

Well so you don't believe that GPA reflects test scores? so moving the goal bar again with no work done on your part ??

 

[Texan1211]

Test scores are, well, meaningless.

Then why do educators insist on them?

 

[bird]

Sorry, forgot how precise one must be to post to some folks.
What I consider a remarkable waste of time is braying about a man long since dead, who has zero control over ANYTHING at all, and whose policies which you seem to be complaining about were accepted by Democrats AND Republicans.
But sure, whining now seems real productive! LOL!

What I consider a waste of time is Republicans screeching about debt, waste and inefficiency while, at the same time, worshipping a mediocre dim-wit who tripled the debt.

Come back when you compile an actual argument including statements and evidence. Anything else is your personal belief which ultimately only means something to you.

 

[bird]

He did not. He missed this part :



Having experienced both U.S. and Danish school systems, I’ve noticed a significant difference in their approach to education. In U.S. schools, the focus is often on studying to pass tests, which emphasizes memorizing answers and data. In contrast, Danish schools emphasize learning how to learn. The priority is on developing critical thinking skills, evaluating information, and finding the resources needed to solve problems.

This philosophy is reflected in their exam practices. Danish students are frequently allowed to use textbooks during exams, as the focus is not just on getting the correct answer but on demonstrating the reasoning behind it. To achieve top grades, students must present the correct answer alongside a clear explanation of how they arrived at it, supported by facts and logical arguments. A correct answer without a well-structured explanation typically receives only an average grade, as the ability to analyze and justify one's conclusions is highly valued. This approach means that it is easier for students to gain new knowledge and even to correctly find answers to examination questions, they haven't encountered previously.

Excellent! Mrs. Bird taught physics. She allowed students to use notes during tests particularly as related to equations. In the real world, people utilize computers, databases, reference materials for information pertinent to what they are doing. The utilization of those data is done due to the training and education they received.

 

[Texan1211]

What I consider a waste of time is Republicans screeching about debt, waste and inefficiency while, at the same time, worshipping a mediocre dim-wit who tripled the debt.

I worship no man. Get it straight.

 

[bird]

Then why do educators insist on them?

Um, no, politicians insist on standardized tests. Educators rely on tests for individual subjects to allow students to show understanding of the concepts. Please see my response to Dragon.

 

[Texan1211]

Well so you don't believe that GPA reflects test scores?

Jeeze, is THAT what you think you read in MY post???????????
Do you believe that just because someone has a high GPA, they automatically do well on tests? Or that someone who does score well on tests automatically has a high GPA?
Yes, they are related but not the same thing--obviously enough to most.

 

[superchuck500]

Feel free to Google "US Test Scores compared to the world"

And you're attributing that to the US Department of Education?

 

[Texan1211]

And you're attributing that to the US Department of Education?

Nope, never said that.
But if our world rankings were far better pre-Dept. of Education, does that not tell us something?

 

[bird]

I worship no man. Get it straight.

Actually, you do. Your refusal to admit it being so is your problem.

There are idols and there are religions. They aren’t arbitrarily the same.

Let’s ask a question. Should the names of any politician or wealthy donor be stripped from public buildings and private buildings such as Ivy League schools?

 

[Texan1211]

Actually, you do.

Wow, I had no earthly idea you were all-knowing. Well, that or you are making silly assumptions based on absolutely nothing and trying to pass it off as "debate".
I don't care whose name is on some building, I just can't seem to get all worked up over such petty bullshirt. If someone donates and the school chooses to name a building after them. who really cares, and more importantly, why? What is it to anyone?

 

[Dragon]

Jeeze, is THAT what you think you read in MY post???????????
Do you believe that just because someone has a high GPA, they automatically do well on tests? Or that someone who does score well on tests automatically has a high GPA?
Yes, they are related but not the same thing--obviously enough to most.

Well then show the sources you are using?

 

[bird]

Nope, never said that.
But if our world rankings were far better pre-Dept. of Education, does that not tell us something?

No. It does not do so arbitrarily. Do research into the financing methods of schools, the distribution of finances, the requirements for becoming a teacher, the methodolgies used to create standardized tests, the social/psychological conditions which students deal with etc.

You fail utterly because the department of education does not dictate the minutia of how states and local districts deal with education. For you the department of education is just another RW bugbear.

 

[bird]

Wow, I had no earthly idea you were all-knowing. Well, that or you are making silly assumptions based on absolutely nothing and trying to pass it off as "debate".
I don't care whose name is on some building, I just can't seem to get all worked up over such petty bullshirt. If someone donates and the school chooses to name a building after them. who really cares, and more importantly, why? What is it to anyone?

Saint Ronnie the Dim-Witted is a Republican idol.

As for debate? You are incapable as an assertion without evidence is not debate. It is a waste of bandwidth.

Go back to Freeperville.

 

[Texan1211]

Well then show the sources you are using?

Education Rankings by Country 2025

www.datapandas.org

Education Rankings by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

NCES Blog | Education at a Glance 2023: Putting U.S. Data in a Global Context

International comparisons provide reference points for researchers and policy analysts to understand

nces.ed.gov