The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Texan1211]

Let us start with the department of education. The Dover Bd of Ed case gives lie to the myth that local control is always better.

Strawman. What is your explanation for higher US test scores before the Dept. of Education was formed?
Religion has been out of schools for decades now. You don't already know that?
And if you actually need me to define government waste to you, then we are definitely through here.

 

[Texan1211]

We are the richest most powerful nation in the history of man. If that’s mediocrity I can’t imagine what success looks like. There’s a segment of society so spoiled by how good we have it that they have to pretend this is mediocrity to create a make believe burden for themselves.

It’s not perfect. It never will be. Having conversations about efficiency wet dreams doesn’t change reality. Nothing this big has ever or will ever be efficient. It’s impossible

Not asking for perfection--CLEARLY. I am asking for improvement. Why is that suddenly such a horrible goal??????

 

[Texan1211]

I recognize that all organizations have areas that could be improved. However, it’s important to note that decreasing funding doesn’t always lead to better service. In many cases, there is a direct correlation between cost-cutting measures and a decline in the quality of service provided.

Congrats!

 

[Texan1211]

I didn't say anything about inefficiencies. I said you're too old to do anything about it.

Being old is by definition "a state of inefficiency," I will point that fact out. If you're actually able to recognize inefficiencies you would have figured that out by now.

It sounds to me like you're griping about yourself. And you've me drug along with yourself. No reason for it, it's old.

Sounds to me like you either didn't bother to read what I wrote, or you misunderstood it. Is government efficiency a threat to anyone?

 

[Texan1211]

I already did that with my post on TN

So you think that saving money on childrens education is great ? That is what TN does. IMHO childrens education is the future of this country and a really bad place to save money. But if you in your post about test scores dropping includes states like TN and other red states who has declined funding from DOE, then you are barking up the wrong tree.

I recognize that much money is wasted under the huge umbrella of "education". Sorry that upsets so many here. I want kids educated. I don't want us to have to go into another 30 trillion in debt to do it.

 

[Texan1211]

Well that explains it, you're talking about something like as if you have an open mind about it, when stating along with that confusion, you have now added "with me being totally against all such programs".

There's a serious disconnect logic in that.

To put it another way you got me to barking up the wrong tree. The wrong tree, nothing I would say matters if you're "totally against... ."

I'm going to watch my video show now. It's a "moving picture."

Gee, are you getting them "talkie" movies now? Wowza!!!!!

 

[Dragon]

I recognize that much money is wasted under the huge umbrella of "education". Sorry that upsets so many here. I want kids educated. I don't want us to have to go into another 30 trillion in debt to do it.

You are still not providing data about the drop in grades.. Just throwing out a lot of claims with nothing to back them up

 

[Optimus Prime]

The new leader of Voice of America will be a prominent vocal supporter of Donald Trump.

On Wednesday night, the president-elect announced Kari Lake - the failed Senate and gubernatorial candidate in Arizona and frequent Trump defender on far-right Newsmax and One America News Network - as the new director for Voice of America.

The outlet is an international broadcasting company funded by the federal government. According to the outlet, the organization provides news in nearly 50 languages across digital, television and radio platforms.

“She will be appointed by, and work closely with, our next head of the U.S. Agency for Global Media, who I will announce soon, to ensure that the American values of Freedom and Liberty are broadcast around the World FAIRLY and ACCURATELY, unlike the lies spread by the Fake News Media,” Trump wroteon Truth Social.

“Kari was a beloved News Anchor in Arizona, which supported me by record margins, for over 20 years,” he added.……

Trump picks vocal supporter Kari Lake to head the news outlet Voice of America

The position does not require Senate confirmation

www.independent.co.uk

 

[bird]

Gee, many companies have training programs. A non-compete agreement has nothing whatsoever to do with government training jobs and unnecessary government spending.

A non-compete prevents a person from using their training elsewhere.

You still haven’t said why government training people is bad beyond your belief it is bad. Do they train people poorly? Does the training result in unnecessary risks to those who were trained?

Most companies don’t train people for jobs that require actual training. For example, try getting a job as a formulating chemist in the paints and coatings business without “training” meaning, in this case, education, done by someone else, yes, it means a college/uniuversity. That is obviously a gross example. But of more interest is the numbers of open jobs where companies demand “experience” meaning that applicants must be trained prior to being hired. And that goes for a wide range of jobs.

We must also note that the private sector NEVER does ANYTHING better or more efficiently than government.

 

[bird]

Not asking for perfection--CLEARLY. I am asking for improvement. Why is that suddenly such a horrible goal??????

Because you cannot define improvement beyond “don’t have government do it” without any evidence that such is improvement.

 

[bird]

Strawman. What is your explanation for higher US test scores before the Dept. of Education was formed?
Religion has been out of schools for decades now. You don't already know that?
And if you actually need me to define government waste to you, then we are definitely through here.

Open your eyes. Republicans have been bleating about getting Religion in schools for decades. The Dover Bd of Ed case was the ultimate example of that.

And, yes, it is incumbent upon you to provide the definition of government waste as you have made the initial assertion. Government waste which I have an issue with revolves around escalation clauses, change orders and other such things as relates to contracts between government and the private sector. Any time the private sector is involved there is massive waste.

 

[bird]

Strawman. What is your explanation for higher US test scores before the Dept. of Education was formed?
Religion has been out of schools for decades now. You don't already know that?
And if you actually need me to define government waste to you, then we are definitely through here.

Link regarding test scores, please.

And, no, religion is not out of schools. Never has been. But the Pharisaical Right-wing Talibangelicals have been pushing increasingly harder to place religion as a central part of schools.

Oh, here is a little something regarding test scores from a student newspaper.

A Complete and Unsatisfactory History of American Standardized Testing

Each year, millions of students spend long hours preparing for at least one long-anticipated standardized test. By the time one graduates from Eleanor Roosevelt High School, they will have taken around 112 standardized tests for 12 years of schooling, based on research from South Carolina...

erhsraider.org

 

[Texan1211]

Link regarding test scores, please.

And, no, religion is not out of schools. Never has been. But the Pharisaical Right-wing Talibangelicals have been pushing increasingly harder to place religion as a central part of schools.

Oh, here is a little something regarding test scores from a student newspaper.

A Complete and Unsatisfactory History of American Standardized Testing

Each year, millions of students spend long hours preparing for at least one long-anticipated standardized test. By the time one graduates from Eleanor Roosevelt High School, they will have taken around 112 standardized tests for 12 years of schooling, based on research from South Carolina...

erhsraider.org

Gee, if religion is in schools, please alert your authorities pronto.
If one can not recognize that our test scores have declined in relation to the rest of the world while spending huge sums, then that's on you, not me.

 

[Texan1211]

Open your eyes. Republicans have been bleating about getting Religion in schools for decades. The Dover Bd of Ed case was the ultimate example of that.

And, yes, it is incumbent upon you to provide the definition of government waste as you have made the initial assertion. Government waste which I have an issue with revolves around escalation clauses, change orders and other such things as relates to contracts between government and the private sector. Any time the private sector is involved there is massive waste.

No point to any discussion with someone who thinks there is no waste in government.

 

[Texan1211]

Because you cannot define improvement beyond “don’t have government do it” without any evidence that such is improvement.

That is a ridiculous comment. You have invented a position I have not taken, pretended I did, and then expect me to argue your invention. No thank you.

 

[Texan1211]

A non-compete prevents a person from using their training elsewhere.

You still haven’t said why government training people is bad beyond your belief it is bad. Do they train people poorly? Does the training result in unnecessary risks to those who were trained?

Most companies don’t train people for jobs that require actual training. For example, try getting a job as a formulating chemist in the paints and coatings business without “training” meaning, in this case, education, done by someone else, yes, it means a college/uniuversity. That is obviously a gross example. But of more interest is the numbers of open jobs where companies demand “experience” meaning that applicants must be trained prior to being hired. And that goes for a wide range of jobs.

We must also note that the private sector NEVER does ANYTHING better or more efficiently than government.

IF one ACTUALLY READS my comments, they miraculously discover you have invented words for me I have never said. Why?

 

[superchuck500]

I recognize that much money is wasted under the huge umbrella of "education". Sorry that upsets so many here. I want kids educated. I don't want us to have to go into another 30 trillion in debt to do it.

What is your proposed alternative to the Dept. of Education?

This idea has been floating around for years, I don't think I have ever seen a reasonable alternative. The far better approach is to take the existing ED and streamline it. Otherwise, the only other alternatives are (1) just remove federal funding for state and local schools, which will obviously be substantially harmful to education, or (2) come up with a different way to administer the federal education grant funds, which is basically just ED with a different name.

Clearly the Department is bloated and could use substantial overhaul - and in fact that has already been underway (its budget has been steadily reduced). But it's core function remains the most obvious way to accomplish the task.

 

[Texan1211]

You are still not providing data about the drop in grades.. Just throwing out a lot of claims with nothing to back them up

Feel free to Google "US Test Scores compared to the world"