The trade and economy mega-thread (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Is there a trade deal with China? Is it really a deal or just a pull-back to status quo ante? Is Trump advancing US interests in this well-executed trade battle plan or was this poorly conceived from the start . . . and harmful?

I think the jury's still out, but I haven't seen that the Chinese are offering much in compromise - and it's not even clear if there's going to be an agreement. But it's clear they are working on something and I'm sure Trump will sell it as the greatest trade deal ever. The proof will be in the details.

 

[Dragon]

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. Try reading that again.

The phrase “I don’t care for his leadership style” is the same as saying I don’t like his leadership style.

You appear to have a touch of that cognitive dissonance yourself.

You still haven’t pointed to a single incident where any other politician has so blatantly mixed their personal business interests with official state matters the way Trump has. His level of corruption is in a league of its own. Yet you keep falling back on the tired “both sides” argument—as if you're saying jaywalking is just as bad as murder. That kind of false equivalency doesn’t hold up, and it only serves to excuse serious abuses of power.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The phrase “I don’t care for his leadership style” is the same as saying I don’t like his leadership style.

we just went through this with Sendai saying how he was "not onboard" with DOGE's methods

You may think they are saying the same thing

They are not

All I did was point out the reason why the doge sges are burning the midnight oil. Not particularly on board with the methods. I’m from the school of inventory and study, evaluate, and make a plan. Review the plan and make adjustments, then execute the plan.

I’m not defending their practices. In fact I very clearly, in the previous post, pointed out my preferred method, which is quite different.

Maybe not defending but definitely not particularly bothered by the methods used either

That response is more for someone driving a different route to the office than you would use, “That’s not the way I would go” or “I’m not particularly on board with that route”

Basically it’s a “That’s not what I would do, but you do you” and that means you can’t really say that you’re against it

Musk Droppings

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/06/spacex-starship-explodes-muskThe failure comes just more than a month after the company’s seventh Starship flight also ended in an explosive failure. The back-to-back mishaps occurred in early mission phases that SpaceX has easily surpassed...

madaboutpolitics.com

 

[efil4]

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking. Try reading that again.

The phrase “I don’t care for his leadership style” is the same as saying I don’t like his leadership style.

You appear to have a touch of that cognitive dissonance yourself.

The comprehension lacking isnt on @coldseat part.

the topic ( unrelated to trade/economy ) was officials grifting. You stated you had a massive issue with Biden. But no one sees you railing on Trump after 1st term ( Kushner gets $2B investment from Saudis for one ) nor currently. Not one mention other than " i dont like his leadership style"

That doesnt account for his continued personal enrichment- SS staying at higher than normal rates at his properties, Saudis and LIV golf exclusive to his properties etc etc etc.

dont see you denouncing any of that. Just that "both sides do it" and repeating Biden talking points that Faux News has been pumping out for years now.

pick a side, stand on it.

or waffle- dont care- but take this crap to another thread and allow the rest of us to discuss the economy/trade issues unfettered since you have no real participation on either trade or economic issues that this current Administration is presenting the rest of us along with the world.

 

[UriUT]

Yall have the patience of saints. I have not read any of his posts but can conclude why it's not worth engagement. Generalized bs declaration -> shallow analysis with ocean size depth in confidence and certainty -> both sides something to establish he is the highest authority because he comes from neither side -> concludes yall are small minded and needs to give trump a chance.

 

[Lapaz]

Explain to me the rationale behind allowing millions of undocumented, unvetted migrants into this country? Explain to me the rationale of opening the borders without a plan and funding in place to deal with the influx. Explain to me the rationale of allowing millions of undocumented unvetted migrants into the country with the full knowledge that it would cost tens of billions of dollars and 4 to 7 years to properly adjudicate these claims of asylum. There is no rationale. He just did it. He didn’t give a crap in your hat for process. I’m guessing you were ambivalent to this lack of and disregard of process. Correct me if I’m wrong.

If you cared what the majority of US voters thought about anything, the time to consider that would have been prior to opening the border to begin with. Just saying. Your party didn’t care what the opposition thought about your policy. You did it anyway. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

So on it will go. The pendulum will swing back the other way and our policy will whipsaw again. Republicans will be whining using the same arguments that Democrats now employ. And the majority will overreach again and the cycle will repeat.

Lather, rinse, repeat. Sadly.

Biden allowed a lot of immigrants to enter because Republicans refused to pass a bill that would tighten asylum laws. They entered legally. Biden followed the law. Trump is breaking the law by not giving them habeus corpus and then sending them to an indefinite detention in a prison that doesn’t have to obey our laws. They may be bad guys, but that is supposed to be proven in court.

 

[bird]

Yall have the patience of saints. I have not read any of his posts but can conclude why it's not worth engagement. Generalized bs declaration -> shallow analysis with ocean size depth in confidence and certainty -> both sides something to establish he is the highest authority because he comes from neither side -> concludes yall are small minded and needs to give trump a chance.

Not me. Not anymore.

 

[TampaJoe]

You still haven’t pointed to a single incident where any other politician has so blatantly mixed their personal business interests with official state matters the way Trump has. His level of corruption is in a league of its own. Yet you keep falling back on the tired “both sides” argument—as if you're saying jaywalking is just as bad as murder. That kind of false equivalency doesn’t hold up, and it only serves to excuse serious abuses of power.

You are either willing to set a standard to be applied to everyone or you are not. It is just that simple. That is what I advocate. And I am willing to commit to that. What I am unwilling to do is to set a standard to be applied to one party.

I gave you examples of red flags which could have and should have been investigated.

 

[Dragon]

You are either willing to set a standard to be applied to everyone or you are not. It is just that simple. That is what I advocate. And I am willing to commit to that. What I am unwilling to do is to set a standard to be applied to one party.

I gave you examples of red flags which could have and should have been investigated.

Red flags? Investigated. So you spread unproven rumors and claim it is the same that Trump is doing? Trump is openly bragging about this. And I have already debunked part of your claim when it comes to Biden in another thread. He and his wife signed a major bookdeal at a time when he was neither president or vice president. You have NOT provided ANY cases where a sitting president is openly received payback for trade agreements with other countries and I have provided TWO

 

[TampaJoe]

Red flags? Investigated. So you spread unproven rumors and claim it is the same that Trump is doing? Trump is openly bragging about this. And I have already debunked part of your claim when it comes to Biden in another thread. He and his wife signed a major bookdeal at a time when he was neither president or vice president. You have NOT provided ANY cases where a sitting president is openly received payback for trade agreements with other countries and I have provided TWO

You haven’t debunked a thing. But hey, if you cannot or will not commit to a single ethical standard applied consistently and impartially to everyone, just say it. Let’s not waste time discussing something that isn’t going to happen.

 

[TampaJoe]

The comprehension lacking isnt on @coldseat part.

the topic ( unrelated to trade/economy ) was officials grifting. You stated you had a massive issue with Biden. But no one sees you railing on Trump after 1st term ( Kushner gets $2B investment from Saudis for one ) nor currently. Not one mention other than " i dont like his leadership style"

That doesnt account for his continued personal enrichment- SS staying at higher than normal rates at his properties, Saudis and LIV golf exclusive to his properties etc etc etc.

dont see you denouncing any of that. Just that "both sides do it" and repeating Biden talking points that Faux News has been pumping out for years now.

pick a side, stand on it.

or waffle- dont care- but take this crap to another thread and allow the rest of us to discuss the economy/trade issues unfettered since you have no real participation on either trade or economic issues that this current Administration is presenting the rest of us along with the world.

I was replying specifically to a post directed to me by someone else. If you don’t like it. Ignore it. Up to you. Makes no difference to me.

 

[TampaJoe]

Biden allowed a lot of immigrants to enter because Republicans refused to pass a bill that would tighten asylum laws. They entered legally. Biden followed the law. Trump is breaking the law by not giving them habeus corpus and then sending them to an indefinite detention in a prison that doesn’t have to obey our laws. They may be bad guys, but that is supposed to be proven in court.

Biden opened the borders before he had laws or a plan in place to deal with the migrants. Ready fire aim. You can’t blame that on Republicans. Then he went to the beach for three years and did nothing until it became evident it was affecting his poll numbers. Then he decided to act.

He bent the laws to suit his purpose. He paroled millions of unvetted migrants and released then into the country with notices to appear 4 years later. Maybe that is okay to you. It wasn’t to me nor was it okay with millions of other voters. His poll numbers suffered. Harris poll numbers suffered and the voters held them accountable. As they should have.

 

[TampaJoe]

Red flags? Investigated. So you spread unproven rumors and claim it is the same that Trump is doing? Trump is openly bragging about this. And I have already debunked part of your claim when it comes to Biden in another thread. He and his wife signed a major bookdeal at a time when he was neither president or vice president. You have NOT provided ANY cases where a sitting president is openly received payback for trade agreements with other countries and I have provided TWO

I don’t know how things work where you are from but around here we have investigations which either produce evidence or they do not. Red flags or probable cause triggers the investigation. If you require “proof” to begin an investigative process, nobody would go to trial.

You want to pick and choose who you investigate based on politics. That does not work for me. So until you are willing to agree to hold everyone to the same ethical or legal standard, we are wasting time. The parties will continue to protect their own. That’s how it works in the swamp.

 

[Neworleansfan]

Trump: we talk with China about a trade deal.
China: fake news!

Trump says the U.S. and China are 'actively' discussing tariffs. Beijing says that's false.

Global concern is growing amid a U.S.-China standoff over high tariff levels that amount to a mutual trade embargo between the world’s two largest economies.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[efil4]

I was replying specifically to a post directed to me by someone else. If you don’t like it. Ignore it. Up to you. Makes no difference to me.

no, you werent. In fact, the @faceman post was a direct reply to @bird

your name never once came up. Yet you replied direct to @faceman and interjected yourself into the conversation to change tack to "impeachment" ( again this is a trade/economy thread in which @faceman was calling for impeachment due to the absolute unraveling of our domestic and global economics caused by Trumps actions )

see here:

He is incompetent and needs to be impeached. I've written my 2 senators. Have you?
I've written all my states reps as well. we need to do this

Impeachment is a waste of time. It has been attempted twice. Failed twice. How many times do you need to keep hitting the same wall before you figure out the strategy isn’t working?

I believe voters are tired of hearing about impeachment and the 25th amendment etc, etc, etc. It isnt a solution.

Then @faceman stated

Honestly to all


Why are we discussing this?

this was your reply:

I dunno. Folks keep bringing it up. Why are we discussing it?

As if you had no clue why a poster was discussing impeachment of a President who is directly responsible, thru his actions and words, for upending the domestic and global hegemony the US held immediately prior to Trump and his asanine trade/tariff war and proclaiming ALLIES have been "ripping us off for years".

Take that country boy " oh i didnt much know" schtick over to one of your regularly posting threads.

Leave this one for trade/economic talk. You are more than welcome to opine and engage in discussion on what you think is good/bad about current events in trade/economics, but its clear you dont really have any original ideas, nor look to take a stance one way or another.

Just another "straddling of the fence" . Damn your arse must hurt...

 

[efil4]

Trump: we talk with China about a trade deal.
China: fake news!

Trump says the U.S. and China are 'actively' discussing tariffs. Beijing says that's false.

Global concern is growing amid a U.S.-China standoff over high tariff levels that amount to a mutual trade embargo between the world’s two largest economies.

www.nbcnews.com

China aint having none of it.

Usually, in proper working geopolitics, countries will allow others to claim a "win" because they know it can help spur discussion.

Here, China is dismantling Trumps ability to paint them into a corner.

China is playing chess and Trump is still asking "what does this pawn do?"

 

[Optimus Prime]

China is playing chess and Trump is still asking "what does this pawn do?" “Look at this neat horsey guy!”

Fixed

 

[TampaJoe]

no, you werent. In fact, the @faceman post was a direct reply to @bird

your name never once came up. Yet you replied direct to @faceman and interjected yourself into the conversation to change tack to "impeachment" ( again this is a trade/economy thread in which @faceman was calling for impeachment due to the absolute unraveling of our domestic and global economics caused by Trumps actions )

see here:





Then @faceman stated



this was your reply:




As if you had no clue why a poster was discussing impeachment of a President who is directly responsible, thru his actions and words, for upending the domestic and global hegemony the US held immediately prior to Trump and his asanine trade/tariff war and proclaiming ALLIES have been "ripping us off for years".

Take that country boy " oh i didnt much know" schtick over to one of your regularly posting threads.

Leave this one for trade/economic talk. You are more than welcome to opine and engage in discussion on what you think is good/bad about current events in trade/economics, but its clear you dont really have any original ideas, nor look to take a stance one way or another.

Just another "straddling of the fence" . Damn your arse must hurt...

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn’t bring up impeachment but it was brought up. I commented on it. Gave my opinion. If you don’t like it then f’ing ignore it. It is that easy.

If something is brought up in a conversation/discussion then it’s fair game to discuss isn’t it. Or does one have to check with you first?

 

[zztop]

Another win for the US

Trump's trade war and annexation threats have upended Canada's election

U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade war and annexation threats have upended Canada’s election and dramatically improved the fortunes of the Liberal Party, which could win a fourth consecutive term in power next week.

apnews.com

The Liberals and the country’s new prime minister, Mark Carney, looked headed for a crushing defeat in Monday’s election until the American president started attacking Canada’s economy and even threatening its sovereignty, including suggesting it should become the 51st state.