The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (4 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Heathen]

I love the logic all over twitter right now saying that because Biden won the nomination (basically) the Bernie supporters are staying home in November, so thanks to the Biden supporters for re-electing Trump.

I think it has more to do with people seeing Biden, like Hillary, being a "im next in line to be president" type with no policy changes that excite voters other than "just get rid of Trump" and "lets take a step back to the Obama days". Put simply, a large number of Democratic and Independent voters alike don't want that.

Biden would be smart to run alongside a more progressive VP, but I doubt he would do that.

The "very young" voters who wont vote for Biden regardless wont matter to a large degree numbers wise. It's Biden's fault if he refuses to reach out to that demographic. But of course if he loses you'll have the inevitable "it was those damned Bernie voters otherwise we would have won" pout.

 

[insidejob]

I think it has more to do with people seeing Biden, like Hillary, being a "im next in line to be president" type with no policy changes that excite voters other than "just get rid of Trump" and "lets take a step back to the Obama days". Put simply, a large number of Democratic and Independent voters alike don't want that.

Biden would be smart to run alongside a more progressive VP, but I doubt he would do that.

Well, logically, we're going to have to "just get rid of Trump" and "take a step back to the Obama days" before any drastic changes can be made. And I wouldn't be so sure he doesn't pick a progressive VP running mate (who in a sense could be doing some running of the show once in office). He's not going to repeat Hillary's mistake of pissing off all of Bernie's supporters and causing them to stay home.

 

[bdb13]

I sure hope not after seeing what staying home did last time. I think Biden has been around long enough and since he didn't have to have the DNC cheat Bernie to get him where he is like they did with Hillary, that he'll build a coalition that includes the farthest of the left to some extent. But there are lots of people (very young) saying they're staying home if it isn't Bernie - which it isn't going to be.

That's a large reason why this thing is already over though, young voters stayed at home at too high of a rate for Bernie too.

 

[insidejob]

That's a large reason why this thing is already over though, young voters stayed at home at too high of a rate for Bernie too.

Do they not realize that you have to vote for your guy whenever he's on the ballot in order to get him elected? They seem like a bunch of entitled babies who just want their way and think they're owed it just because he's their guy.

 

[Heathen]

Well, logically, we're going to have to "just get rid of Trump" and "take a step back to the Obama days" before any drastic changes can be made. And I wouldn't be so sure he doesn't pick a progressive VP running mate (who in a sense could be doing some running of the show once in office). He's not going to repeat Hillary's mistake of pissing off all of Bernie's supporters and causing them to stay home.

Let's forget the drastic changes topic for a moment and focus in on Biden.

What I am saying is that empty campaigns and "just win" don't seem to have a good track record against Trump. Not only that, but I worry very much about a guy who can't attack Trump because he was not only eviscerated by other Democrats on stage, but is guilty of some of the same vile behaviors Trump has been called out on, including being hot headed, groping, etc. You're not going to win over working class voters by getting in their face telling them they're a "horses arse" and "full of shirt" (yesterday).

 

[coldseat]

I love the logic all over twitter right now saying that because Biden won the nomination (basically) the Bernie supporters are staying home in November, so thanks to the Biden supporters for re-electing Trump.

I really don't think that Bernie voters are going to stay home this time. Many may be dejected that their preferred candidate isn't going to be the nomine, but last year many Bernie Bros saw/felt that the fix was in with Hilary and the DNC. They also saw it play out to some extent. They may feel that same acrimony towards the DNC this year, but the way Biden has swept Super Tuesday and now the results yesterday they also know that this is more of a voter mandate/decision. They're not going to stay home now and not vote when they've seen what Trump has done these past 4 years. Not to mention that many of the people in the rust belt that chose Sanders 4 years ago, have seemingly chosen Biden this go round.

The one place I think Biden depresses the vote is among young voters. There's little enthusiasm with his choice among young voters and they may not show up in large numbers. But then again they really didn't come out for Bernie either, so it's hard to count on them regardless.

 

[Heathen]

Do they not realize that you have to vote for your guy whenever he's on the ballot in order to get him elected? They seem like a bunch of entitled babies who just want their way and think they're owed it just because he's their guy.

I agree. The scapegoating democratic party/Hillary Clinton campaign in reality has no one to blame but themselves for losing to Trump in 2016. Thinking they could overlook someone they saw as little to no threat is the epitome of entitlement. Complete adolescents.

 

[insidejob]

Let's forget the drastic changes topic for a moment and focus in on Biden.

What I am saying is that empty campaigns and "just win" don't seem to have a good track record against Trump. Not only that, but I worry very much about a guy who can't attack Trump because he was not only eviscerated by other Democrats on stage, but is guilty of some of the same vile behaviors Trump has been called out on, including being hot headed, groping, etc. You're not going to win over working class voters by getting in their face telling them they're a "horses arse" and "full of shirt" (yesterday).

He's been that same guy telling people they're full of shirt and calling them a horse's arse his entire career and has continually gotten re-elected. That's what people do like about him. He's genuine. During 2016 he said "I'd like to take him behind the gym" when asked what he thought about Trump. Those clips from yesterday don't show the rest of the time he was there having pleasant exchanges and being cheered, etc. Someone accused him of supporting something he didn't and he stood his ground. Good for him. He wants sensible gun legislation, not to take away everyone's guns like he was being accused of.

He's not perfect by any means, but he's genuine and I think people will be surprised how much more effective he is at debating just Trump instead of having to worry about being attacked from all directions by people trying to knock him out of winning the nomination. Especially because of his willingness to tell Trump he's full of shirt and call him out for everything Clinton avoided. On top of that, we've got nearly 4 years of proven Trump lies that he can put out there which will be fact checked in real time and Trump will have to answer for them finally.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Let's forget the drastic changes topic for a moment and focus in on Biden.

What I am saying is that empty campaigns and "just win" don't seem to have a good track record against Trump. Not only that, but I worry very much about a guy who can't attack Trump because he was not only eviscerated by other Democrats on stage, but is guilty of some of the same vile behaviors Trump has been called out on, including being hot headed, groping, etc. You're not going to win over working class voters by getting in their face telling them they're a "horses arse" and "full of shirt" (yesterday).

I've come to realize you really don't like Biden. That's unfortunate. And I say that as someone who supported Bernie in the primaries in 2016.

 

[bdb13]

Do they not realize that you have to vote for your guy whenever he's on the ballot in order to get him elected? They seem like a bunch of entitled babies who just want their way and think they're owed it just because he's their guy.

I think there's likely an under appreciation for just how difficult it is to build the coalition necessary to win a nomination.. I was a Ron Paul supporter once upon a time like 12 years ago and while he never got the traction that Bernie has been able to, I still think a lot of the same issues are present with the respective young supporters.

 

[Heathen]

I've come to realize you really don't like Biden. That's unfortunate. And I say that as someone who supported Bernie in the primaries in 2016.

There's plenty of people I don't like who I would vote for over Trump. Millions of Democrats and Independents alike feel the same. I did that in 16 and will this year. I may be completely wrong, but Biden strikes me as someone who won't do well against Trump, and I legitimately worry about 4 more years of this admin.

There's a misconception, it seems, that criticizing a nominee or party for self improvement or otherwise means I or others are against the party or even worse, FOR Trump. That couldn't be further from reality.

 

[bdb13]

There's plenty of people I don't like who I would vote for over Trump. Millions of Democrats and Independents alike feel the same. I did that in 16 and will this year. I may be completely wrong, but Biden strikes me as someone who won't do well against Trump, and I legitimately worry about 4 more years of this admin.

There's a misconception, it seems, that criticizing a nominee or party for self improvement or otherwise means I or others are against the party or even worse, FOR Trump. That couldn't be further from reality.

I realize that there's a danger in people like me just looking at the turnout numbers and becoming overconfident because of them, but man, at this point it's rather clear that Biden is a far superior opponent versus Trump than Hillary was 4 years ago.

We're going to hear about his mental capabilities and Hunter Biden until the end of times, but I still feel much better about this whole thing than I did a week and a half ago.

Also, has anyone else noticed that the old Joe Biden seems to be back? At least for now, maybe a result of the expectations game but he's looked a lot better here recently.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

There's plenty of people I don't like who I would vote for over Trump. Millions of Democrats and Independents alike feel the same. I did that in 16 and will this year. I may be completely wrong, but Biden strikes me as someone who won't do well against Trump, and I legitimately worry about 4 more years of this admin.

There's a misconception, it seems, that criticizing a nominee or party for self improvement or otherwise means I or others are against the party or even worse, FOR Trump. That couldn't be further from reality.

I never said that. I'm just pointing out that all you can do is point out everything that is wrong with Joe Biden and nothing that is good. The man has some flaws. No one is questioning that. And while you and others may not have any intention on voting for Trump, the constant beating on Biden (and everyone else not named Bernie Sanders) is indirectly doing the work for Trump.

I get it. You have a problem with the DNC. I do too. But what's most important right now for Democrats should be to beat Trump. If not, all this stuff that you and I want for this country will not happen. That, more than anything, is a fact.

 

[bdb13]

Let me also add that if Bernie was racking up wins with huge turnout numbers in important states, I'd be just as excited about that as I am about it happening with Biden. Unfortunately, there's just not much tangible to suggest that Bernie would fare particularly well versus Trump.

 

[JimEverett]

I realize that there's a danger in people like me just looking at the turnout numbers and becoming overconfident because of them, but man, at this point it's rather clear that Biden is a far superior opponent versus Trump than Hillary was 4 years ago.

We're going to hear about his mental capabilities and Hunter Biden until the end of times, but I still feel much better about this whole thing than I did a week and a half ago.

Also, has anyone else noticed that the old Joe Biden seems to be back? At least for now, maybe a result of the expectations game but he's looked a lot better here recently.

The turnout numbers should make you feel good if you are a Democrat.

The only potential counter to that is to point out that, as far as I can tell, the comparison is to open or semi-closed primaries when Republicans are running what is basically an uncontested primary. So, in the case of open primaries, Republicans and independent might be voting in the Democratic primary - even though they will or likely will vote for Trump. And in semi-closed you might have independents doing the same.

 

[insidejob]

The turnout numbers should make you feel good if you are a Democrat.

The only potential counter to that is to point out that, as far as I can tell, the comparison is to open or semi-closed primaries when Republicans are running what is basically an uncontested primary. So, in the case of open primaries, Republicans and independent might be voting in the Democratic primary - even though they will or likely will vote for Trump. And in semi-closed you might have independents doing the same.

He was encouraging them to do just that at his rally in New Hampshire the day before their semi-closed primary.

 

[The moose]

I am not really a fan of how Joe's lane got wide open right before super Tuesday.

Imagine you are watching the Olympics in swimming. A semifinal round and people with a body length just stop swimming in the last leg for no reason. That is what seemed like to me. Or they did more than that like pushing him.

It made no sense at all to at least not go thru Tuesday without real DNC input.

Would have liked to see him fight thru his lane rather than people give up.

With that being said I would vote for just about anybody with a pulse over Trump.

Hell I will vote for Joe or I would even vote for the Joe on here over Trump

 

[Beach Friends]

He's been that same guy telling people they're full of shirt and calling them a horse's arse his entire career and has continually gotten re-elected. That's what people do like about him. He's genuine. During 2016 he said "I'd like to take him behind the gym" when asked what he thought about Trump. Those clips from yesterday don't show the rest of the time he was there having pleasant exchanges and being cheered, etc. Someone accused him of supporting something he didn't and he stood his ground. Good for him. He wants sensible gun legislation, not to take away everyone's guns like he was being accused of.

He's not perfect by any means, but he's genuine and I think people will be surprised how much more effective he is at debating just Trump instead of having to worry about being attacked from all directions by people trying to knock him out of winning the nomination. Especially because of his willingness to tell Trump he's full of shirt and call him out for everything Clinton avoided. On top of that, we've got nearly 4 years of proven Trump lies that he can put out there which will be fact checked in real time and Trump will have to answer for them finally.

By sensible gin legislation, do you mean when he says things like ...people don't need guns... that have those....bullets... and can have multiple rounds ... in clips...of their AR 14s...get a double barrel shotgun...fire two warning shots....

Every time he speaks about guns he proves he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.