The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (5 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

What looking at these numbers tells me is that in 2016, there was more of an anti-Hillary vote in the democratic vote then people will let on. We're seeing it in how badly Sanders is losing states he won or barely loss four years ago.

I think that’s one of the stronger trends emerging

 

[not2rich]

Obviously there is an argument to be made. Don't think for a second though that his campaign is not gleefully taking this opportunity.

Over the course of Biden's last three rallies, how long has he spoken at each one?

Biden's mental issues are real and if he runs a normal campaign we are going to see, on a daily basis, tragic clips like we saw at the auto plant.

Biden was being shielded long before the virus was a consideration. You may have forgotten, but there were discussions of him disappearing from the campaign trail before Iowa.

You mean like the clip you posted that was clipped to remove the context?

I'm not saying Biden hasn't lost a step - he clearly has. But I'll take that over the person in charge now, who has severe NPD and isn't all that bright.

But to the main question: Do you think holding rallies with thousands of people in close proximity is a good idea at this particular time?

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

 

[MT15]

Biden is going to build a coalition, from the looks of it, of African Americans and suburban white women, union workers, and disaffected former Republicans. This is why Trump feared running against Biden so much that he was willing to do the impeachable in order to try to derail him, IMO. Biden is a good and decent man, an empathetic man, who can bring diverse people together. He’s the antidote to Trump.

 

[Heathen]

Look, no sour grapes here. I'll happily vote for Biden on election day, and hope he'll do great things in moving our country in the right direction.

That being said, why/how does playing second fiddle to Obama make him an 'ally'?

Why does 'the shirt he's done in the past' now not matter because of that?

Look, as I've said..I'm not trying to tear the guy apart. But I think it's ludicrous to think that because more black voters wanted him vs. Sanders, or because he was Obama's VP, that it means Biden has been an ally of the African American community.

I think the best we can do is be truthful here...Biden has a pretty ugly past tied to racial issues. His popularity, maybe like Trump's, isn't tied to his past or his policies, but a 'who can win narrative'. He's clearly seen as the biggest name out there and most trusted to beat Trump. No argument there, that's what the majority of voters seem to indicate.

We can simply hope now that he's changed and hope that he reflects that change if he is able to beat Trump.

 

[not2rich]

We could have a revolution, if only the blacks would get on board.

 

[not2rich]

Biden is going to build a coalition, from the looks of it, of African Americans and suburban white women, union workers, and disaffected former Republicans. This is why Trump feared running against Biden so much that he was willing to do the impeachable in order to try to derail him, IMO. Biden is a good and decent man, an empathetic man, who can bring diverse people together. He’s the antidote to Trump.

I think part of Biden's appeal is that he seems like the person someone could confide in with a personal issue - which is not something people necessarily think about Bernie. But he's senile, so we should stick with the doofus currently in the office.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I think part of Biden's appeal is that he seems like the person someone could confide in with a personal issue - which is not something people necessarily think about Bernie. But he's senile, so we should stick with the doofus currently in the office.

I lol'd.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

why/how does playing second fiddle to Obama make him an 'ally'?

Why does 'the shirt he's done in the past' now not matter because of that?

Look, as I've said..I'm not trying to tear the guy apart. But I think it's ludicrous to think that because more black voters wanted him vs. Sanders, or because he was Obama's VP, that it means Biden has been an ally of the African American community.

I’m sorry that the meaning of the excerpt i posted was apparently lost on you.

If you cant understand how a white establishment guy like Biden playing second fiddle to a young black guy like Barry Obama would endear him to the black community, then i guess we’ll have to... wait for it......... Agree to disagree... As a middle aged white guy, I hadn’t really thought of it from that angle before, but now that i’ve been shown a different perspective, it makes a lot of sense .. maybe you should try a different perspective.

 

[Heathen]

Youll first need to actually address the point I made. I'm not saying that him playing second fiddle to Obama didn't make him a more likable figure to the black community. Clearly that was going to be a factor/perspective from the get go.

I was addressing the tweet you posted that suggested he was an ally and everything he did before that suddenly doesn't matter now.

I disagree with that notion and have Biden's record for reference. What's the issue again?

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Virtual tie in Washington. Biden leading in ID.

 

[JimEverett]

What looking at these numbers tells me is that in 2016, there was more of an anti-Hillary vote in the democratic vote then people will let on. We're seeing it in how badly Sanders is losing states he won or barely loss four years ago.

That is a good point.
Is there a trend in turnout numbers? For some reason I seem to recall that in the early states turnout was down - but then on Super Tuesday was up. If turnout is turning up almost across the board it might also indicate an anti-Hillary feeling amongst voters 4 years ago (it could mean other things as well, of course).

 

[bdb13]

Turnout in the Michigan Dem Primary was up over 300,000 votes from 2016, a state Trump won back then by around 10,000 votes.

 

[insidejob]

I love the logic all over twitter right now saying that because Biden won the nomination (basically) the Bernie supporters are staying home in November, so thanks to the Biden supporters for re-electing Trump.

 

[bdb13]

I love the logic all over twitter right now saying that because Biden won the nomination (basically) the Bernie supporters are staying home in November, so thanks to the Biden supporters for re-electing Trump.

I don't really see the reason why they would stay home for Biden in greater numbers than they did for Hillary.. and Hillary lost the election by like 70,000 votes in states that currently look very good Biden. So I really don't anticipate that to be a major issue with the turnout numbers we're seeing.

 

[JimEverett]

I don't really see the reason why they would stay home for Biden in greater numbers than they did for Hillary.. and Hillary lost the election by like 70,000 votes in states that currently look very good Biden. So I really don't anticipate that to be a major issue with the turnout numbers we're seeing.

I think there is a good chance you see Biden being more competitive in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. The turnout numbers you pointed out in Michigan definitely are a good sign. And Joe is from Pennsylvania and seems to know the voters there.

One important question for Trump will be whether he can put some blue states in play. I have heard his campaign at various times talk about Minnesota, Colorado, and even New Mexico.

 

[Dadsdream]

As president would Biden be his own man or President-In-Name-Only, while the party machine actually held the reins of power? Would he merely be a figurehead or would they actually let him lead?

 

[insidejob]

I don't really see the reason why they would stay home for Biden in greater numbers than they did for Hillary.. and Hillary lost the election by like 70,000 votes in states that currently look very good Biden. So I really don't anticipate that to be a major issue with the turnout numbers we're seeing.

I sure hope not after seeing what staying home did last time. I think Biden has been around long enough and since he didn't have to have the DNC cheat Bernie to get him where he is like they did with Hillary, that he'll build a coalition that includes the farthest of the left to some extent. But there are lots of people (very young) saying they're staying home if it isn't Bernie - which it isn't going to be.