The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (1 Viewer)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Heathen]

Sanders' self identification has always been Independent except during presidential candidacy. He's never run run as a Democrat for his Senate seat (that I am aware of).

Correct.

But at least you should belong to the party.

Meh. Says who? That's debatable. Especially with someone who is arguably more Democrat judged by his policy than virtually any other candidate.

He can label himself any way he wants, which is not the point.

Again, one can label themselves anything they want.

You aren't making that point very clear. I'm hearing a lot of 'wants' and 'shoulds' but not a lot of points toward barring Sanders based on actual DNC policies.

Well, yes. If you don't belong to my party, why would I let you ride in the limo? But for whatever reason, the DNC keeps picking up this hitchhiker who gets in the car, starts playing with the radio, farts, and eats chips.

He's always caucused with the Democrats in the Senate, dude. For all intents and purposes, he's a Democrat who simply won't fully embrace the party in name only -- mainly from what I've gathered because he sees huge discrepancies for what the party says it stands for and actually does. Having one of the most consistent voting records against the Republican party in congress only continues to solidify his stance as a democratic/liberal lawmaker, not some scrooge Independent trying to screw over everyone in his party. It may annoy you, but your premise is flawed from the start.

Have you not been reading what I have been posting?

If I haven't, it sure doesn't make sense that i've been responding to your every comment.

The disconnect here ( boy, do I use that word in here a lot) is that I am not attacking Sanders, or making a comment specific to Sanders. If anything, I am making a negative comment on the DNC. But I guess you feel the need to defend Sanders.

Yes, i'm well aware that what you're saying is that you're also annoyed with the DNC for allowing Sanders a platform. You didn't address the DNC's handling of Sanders last year, or them changing the rules once again this year. I'm assuming your disdain for Sanders supersedes whatever the DNC does. Rhetorical question.

That's just your inner victim.

You sure about that? I wouldn't be confident in playing an ad hominem card here.

Is Sanders being attacked by CNN, MSNBC, etc. a big silly conspiracy as well?

I'm just trying to gauge how far the denial goes.

 

[Heathen]

Sounds like the excuse making is already starting in preparation for losing the 2020 election.

And honestly it also sounds like the left is saying they are too gullible and easily hoodwinked by trolls.

I can assure you many on the left tire of the 'it was the russian bots' excuse.

The aforementioned code snippets unfortunately can be used as scapegoats by media or otherwise to frame another problematic patriotism litmus test...IE 'russian bots support x candidate and are trying to tear down y candidate, therefore come with your own conclusions about possible corruption, racism, misogyny etc of x candidate.'

 

[insidejob]

Why are you asking me this? What does this have to do with what I am saying?

The DNC is under no obligation to give anyone outside their party a platform. So I am still left wondering, why allow Sanders the platform?

He actually re-registered as a Democrat this time around.

ETA; He signed the pledge to run as a Democrat and govern as one if elected but also filed to run as an independent in 2024 for senator in Vermont if he doesn't win. I only saw reporting on the first part when it happened early last year.

 

[Intensesaint]

The Iowa caucuses are almost here. They could clarify the 2020 election — or jumble it.

The Iowa caucuses could send a signal that ripples through the states that vote next in the 2020 election. And they could just as easily create a jumble that presages a long, drawn-out fight for the Democratic nomination.

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Rep. Katie Porter (D., Calif.), who stressed that she recently won a previously Republican-held district in Orange County, said Warren "can reach into every pocket of our community — rural, urban, white, brown, black, young, old, LGBTQ,” adding: “I represent a Republican district and I am all in for Elizabeth Warren.”

at least ms porter is being honest with her peeps. It doesn’t matter who you are, Warren is going to raise your taxes.

I think she may have been talking about donations there, but an extremely poor choice of words, because donations are given, not taken out of people's pockets. Just shows you her mentality, that money is already ours, we just have to reach into their pocket and take it.

 

[SystemShock]

it sure doesn't make sense that i've been responding

Yep.

Yes, i'm well aware that what you're saying is that you're also annoyed with the DNC for allowing Sanders a platform.

May want to check your awareness; I am not annoyed, at all. I am just curious.

You didn't address the DNC's handling of Sanders last year, or them changing the rules once again this year.

Because, for the nth time, I don't care about addressing it.

I'm assuming your disdain for Sanders supersedes whatever the DNC does. Rhetorical question.

And there is the inner victim again.

You sure about that?
Is Sanders being attacked by CNN, MSNBC, etc. a big silly conspiracy as well?

I rest my case.

I have no idea if CNN, MSNBC, etc. are attacking Sanders. I don't watch them.

I'm just trying to gauge how far the denial goes.

LOL

Slower: if the DNC are going to change rules to thwart Sanders, I am curious as to why the DNC would allow Sanders the platform to begin with. That's it.

 

[SystemShock]

He actually re-registered as a Democrat this time around.

ETA; He signed the pledge to run as a Democrat and govern as one if elected but also filed to run as an independent in 2024 for senator in Vermont if he doesn't win. I only saw reporting on the first part when it happened early last year.

That very well may be, but I am just curious, if the DNC are going to thwart Sanders' campaign, why allow him the platform in the first place? If they are going to make rules on the fly to thwart Sanders, they could simply make a rule like "you must be registered as a Democrat for at least 4 consecutive years" and leave him out of the debates, the primary ballot, etc.

 

[Lazybones]

I think she may have been talking about donations there, but an extremely poor choice of words, because donations are given, not taken out of people's pockets. Just shows you her mentality, that money is already ours, we just have to reach into their pocket and take it.

I took it as her saying that they were connecting with all the different groups. But my analysis is far more accurate to reality.

 

[MT15]

I can assure you many on the left tire of the 'it was the russian bots' excuse.

The aforementioned code snippets unfortunately can be used as scapegoats by media or otherwise to frame another problematic patriotism litmus test...IE 'russian bots support x candidate and are trying to tear down y candidate, therefore come with your own conclusions about possible corruption, racism, misogyny etc of x candidate.'

ok, heathen, they’re not Russian bots and Sanders‘ supporters are just as vile on line as people say they are. Do you like that better?

Or what is your explanation? It’s definitely bot traffic in the attacks, so are Bernie supporters behind them?

You probably shouldn’t be so sensitive about Bernie. Not only that, if you took what I said as criticism of Bernie himself, your reading comprehension is way, way off. I gave two possible reasons for Russian bots to be supporting Bernie, neither had anything to do with him as a man or a candidate. If that is true, the only thing it speaks to is the state of mind of Putin and what he thinks will benefit Trump, which is his end game after all.

Yet somehow, what I said, which was just passing along speculation about where these on line attacks on people who dare to criticize Bernie come from, is framed as a “litmus test”. That doesn’t even make any sense.

 

[Intensesaint]

Democrats are really locking in against Sanders.

 

[JimEverett]

That very well may be, but I am just curious, if the DNC are going to thwart Sanders' campaign, why allow him the platform in the first place? If they are going to make rules on the fly to thwart Sanders, they could simply make a rule like "you must be registered as a Democrat for at least 4 consecutive years" and leave him out of the debates, the primary ballot, etc.

Given that a substantial number of convention delegates are chosen through state-supported primaries and caucus systems I imagine there is a limit on what the Party itself can do to limit access in many states.
For example - in Tennessee, the State supports the Democratic primary process by providing state funds to use voting machines, staff, voting locations, etc. The requirement for primary ballot access is the signature of 2,500 registered voters (not even party members).

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Anyone find an issue with this?

Joe Biden kisses granddaughter on lips during Iowa rally

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden gave his 19-year-old granddaughter a kiss on the lips during a campaign rally in Iowa on Sunday, prompting some grossed-out responses on social media. Th…

nypost.com

 

[Beach Friends]

Anyone find an issue with this?

Joe Biden kisses granddaughter on lips during Iowa rally

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden gave his 19-year-old granddaughter a kiss on the lips during a campaign rally in Iowa on Sunday, prompting some grossed-out responses on social media. Th…

nypost.com

Yeah, it creeps me out a little. The man has had a problem keeping his hands to himself, it is an issue for his campaign and he can't help but provide new instances for people to talk about.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Yeah, it creeps me out a little. The man has had a problem keeping his hands to himself, it is an issue for his campaign and he can't help but provide new instances for people to talk about.

I don't know. My granddaughter kisses me on my lips, but she's 6. It seems people just grasp at things at times.

 

[Heathen]

ok, heathen, they’re not Russian bots and Sanders‘ supporters are just as vile on line as people say they are. Do you like that better?

I'm not sure what you're annoyed at. What I'm getting at is that there are some with a pretty telltale reliance on using bots or the 'russians' to confirm one's bias about one candidate or another. I'm not saying there is no legitimacy behind the attacks.

You're really taking this whole Sanders supporters online narrative a bit far. I don't think it's healthy to the conversation.

Or what is your explanation? It’s definitely bot traffic in the attacks, so are Bernie supporters behind them?

You probably shouldn’t be so sensitive about Bernie. Not only that, if you took what I said as criticism of Bernie himself, your reading comprehension is way, way off. I gave two possible reasons for Russian bots to be supporting Bernie, neither had anything to do with him as a man or a candidate. If that is true, the only thing it speaks to is the state of mind of Putin and what he thinks will benefit Trump, which is his end game after all.

You see, this is interesting. Is it advantageous to claim one is 'sensitive' because they do not agree with your position, and do so with the same vigor with which you argue your point? I really don't think it is. You can continue to claim that I am sensitive, but that isn't the case. Just for the record.

Now, you took my comment to another poster as me dismissing your entire claim about the Sanders-Russia connection. Granted, maybe I should have begun with "I'm not saying the claims aren't true, but there is also a Russia fatigue that has a lot of people, in my view, using those outlets as scapegoats unnecessarily and unrealistically". I think you jumped the gun a bit.

Yet somehow, what I said, which was just passing along speculation about where these on line attacks on people who dare to criticize Bernie come from, is framed as a “litmus test”. That doesn’t even make any sense.

Sure, i'll explain what I meant. As I said earlier, I think a lot of Democrats suffer from a bit of "russia hysteria". In an age where anything can be claimed as fact online without a lot of objective source fact-checking, a lot of mistakes can be made. The litmus test to many is the 'russia supports x candidate' argument. As in, Russian bots or trolls want to prop up a certain candidate, therefore that candidate is unamerican, etc.

If none of that resonates, consider a simple example involving Tulsi Gabbard being called a 'putin russian puppet' by Democrats simply because some of her views on Russia differ and she happened to disagree very much with Hillary Clinton.

 

[Taurus]

I did read your 2nd paragraph which like the first fails to address why schools keep raising their tuitions to ridiculous levels. I know state funding is part of the equation, but that would still allow the schools to add many unnecessary things to their campus including more administration.

Not if that funding is overseen by state auditors.

 

[Intensesaint]

That's a borderline Michael Dukakis tank moment.

 

[RegularChuck]

Anyone find an issue with this?

Joe Biden kisses granddaughter on lips during Iowa rally

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden gave his 19-year-old granddaughter a kiss on the lips during a campaign rally in Iowa on Sunday, prompting some grossed-out responses on social media. Th…

nypost.com

Its seems odd but innocent. I’ve seen and heard much worse about Presidents. If it becomes a big deal just say “if she wasn’t my granddaughter I’d date her” and move on.