The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (1 Viewer)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Heathen]

What I don't understand is why the DNC gives Sanders the platform to begin with. He's not a Democrat. He's never been a Democrat.

So that excuses the DNCs conniving tactics to undermine certain candidates they deem out of line?

Also, the 'he isn't a Democrat' line is seen more as a compliment, so Im wondering what that says about the party at large?

Sanders' ideas are those of a social Democrat. It's the rest of the party that has continued to move right - - like all the Dems who voted for Trump's tax plan, to give one example. If that's being a modern day Democrat, count me and millions of others out.

 

[SystemShock]

So that excuses the DNCs conniving tactics to undermine certain candidates they deem out of line?

Why are you asking me this? What does this have to do with what I am saying?

The DNC is under no obligation to give anyone outside their party a platform. So I am still left wondering, why allow Sanders the platform?

Also, the 'he isn't a Democrat' line is seen more as a compliment, so Im wondering what that says about the party at large?
Do you wonder what says about Sanders, lying with the dogs and all?

Sanders' ideas are those of a social Democrat. It's the rest of the party that has continued to move right - - like all the Dems who voted for Trump's tax plan, to give one example. If that's being a modern day Democrat, count me and millions of others out.

Whatever Sanders' ideas are, he is not a member of the DNC. He has always labeled himself an Independent, not a member of the Democratic Party or any political party for that matter.

 

[Beach Friends]

That kind of raises a question, you see individual politicians leave parties, but do the parties ever show individuals the door?

At the very least, the Democrats should tell AOC that she is not welcome. Obviously they like her ability to raise money, but AOC has made it pretty clear that she intends to use that money to fight the Democratic establishment from within the party.

 

[Heathen]

Why are you asking me this? What does this have to do with what I am saying?

Why would I not question your statement? You don't 'understand why the DNC gives Sanders a platform to begin with'. Why?

Why would or should the DNC treat him differently than any other candidate? How is that in any capacity justifiable?

The DNC is under no obligation to give anyone outside their party a platform. So I am still left wondering, why allow Sanders the platform?

I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/558/201902199145527558/201902199145527558.pdf

 

[Heathen]

That kind of raises a question, you see individual politicians leave parties, but do the parties ever show individuals the door?

At the very least, the Democrats should tell AOC that she is not welcome. Obviously they like her ability to raise money, but AOC has made it pretty clear that she intends to use that money to fight the Democratic establishment from within the party.

There's nothing wrong with fighting the establishment and/or something put in place that actively snuffs out any movements beyond the mainstream. There will always be those boohooing about 'get in line and don't say mean things about each other or we won't beat Trump. It's still complete nonsense.

People aren't beholden to parties. Neither party is popular, generally speaking, with the American public. Trust continues to wane. IMO folks want bold ideas and people who will get things done, it doesn't matter what color or side they happen to be apart of. That's part of the reason the allure of the 'outsider' Trump was so effective back in 2016.

 

[SystemShock]

Why would I not question your statement? You don't 'understand why the DNC gives Sanders a platform to begin with'. Why?

Because Bernie Sanders has never been a member of the DNC. He's always been an Independent.

Why would or should the DNC treat him differently than any other candidate? How is that in any capacity justifiable?

Because he's never been a Democrat.

I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/558/201902199145527558/201902199145527558.pdf

What does that have to do with anything?

The question I am asking is very simple: why does the DNC allow Sanders a platform, being that he's always declared himself an Independent, with no political party affiliation.

If you look here:

U.S. Senate: Senators

www.senate.gov

It says:

Sanders, Bernard (I-VT)

Vermont

Independent

Class I

Not D-VT, not Democrat.

But apparently come election time, he conveniently "becomes" a Democrat. And the DNC is dumb enough to let him sign up and use them as a platform even though the DNC is under no obligation to let anyone use their platform to run for anything, especially someone who conveniently signs up come campaign/election time.[/QUOTE]

 

[MT15]

Maybe someone should have checked to see if the article was mere speculation, and not just assumed it was true?

 

[Beach Friends]

Maybe someone should have checked to see if the article was mere speculation, and not just assumed it was true?

Maybe the article is accurate and Perez is denying the claims because he is catching heat.

I don't which version is true, and neither do you.

So, now before we cite a Politico article as a source we need to go behind the article to check it for accuracy or run the risk of an MT15 admonishment?

That's ridiculous. One can easily cite another source that calls into dispute facts in an article cited by another poster without sounding like someone here has done something wrong.

 

[MT15]

Good grief, nobody can claim victimhood like you can, lol. Yeah, I’m sure your spirits were crushed by my mean, mean comment.

 

[Heathen]

What does that have to do with anything?

It has to do with everything, actually. Self-identification, to be more precise. There is no requirement that he be some due paying member of the party. He is an independent senator who runs as a Democrat in the presidential election. What is the problem again? I see none.

The question I am asking is very simple: why does the DNC allow Sanders a platform, being that he's always declared himself an Independent, with no political party affiliation.

Why would they not? Do you think if someone runs as a Democrat but is an Independent in their state, they shouldn't be able to run? Or the DNC should bar them based on their record of being Democrat in name?

I need to hear what you propose should happen here.

But apparently come election time, he conveniently "becomes" a Democrat. And the DNC is dumb enough to let him sign up and use them as a platform even though the DNC is under no obligation to let anyone use their platform to run for anything, especially someone who conveniently signs up come campaign/election time.

Out of curiosity, what is it that bothers you so much about Sanders? He's not out there demanding special treatment, yet is constantly attacked by mainstream outlets and was screwed by the committee last year. Overreacting about him will do more damage to the Democrats. Look at the guy's record -- it's one of the most consistent out there. He's a blue state liberal. Anything else is just a semantics argument.

Now you clearly seem to not want to discuss the DNC's corruption, so we can move on from that.

Just as an aside..I've seen almost as much animosity toward him, or his supporters on this board from Democrats than for Trump. It's really puzzling to me and one would hope folks who feel this way would still vote for him were he the nominee, heeding their own oft-repeated advice.

 

[Beach Friends]

Good grief, nobody can claim victimhood like you can, lol. Yeah, I’m sure your spirits were crushed by my mean, mean comment.

I am not even the one who posted the Politico article. I am trying to help you more than anything. Everything I do here is for your own good.

 

[SystemShock]

It has to do with everything, actually. Self-identification, to be more precise.

Sanders' self identification has always been Independent except during presidential candidacy. He's never run run as a Democrat for his Senate seat (that I am aware of).

There is no requirement that he be some due paying member of the party.

But at least you should belong to the party.

He is an independent senator who runs as a Democrat in the presidential election. What is the problem again? I see none.

He can label himself any way he wants, which is not the point.

Why would they not? Do you think if someone runs as a Democrat but is an Independent in their state, they shouldn't be able to run?

Again, one can label themselves anything they want.

Or the DNC should bar them based on their record of being Democrat in name?

Well, yes. If you don't belong to my party, why would I let you ride in the limo? But for whatever reason, the DNC keeps picking up this hitchhiker who gets in the car, starts playing with the radio, farts, and eats chips.

I need to hear what you propose should happen here.

Have you not been reading what I have been posting?

Out of curiosity, what is it that bothers you so much about Sanders?

The disconnect here ( boy, do I use that word in here a lot) is that I am not attacking Sanders, or making a comment specific to Sanders. If anything, I am making a negative comment on the DNC. But I guess you feel the need to defend Sanders.

Now you clearly seem to not want to discuss the DNC's corruption, so we can move on from that.

Well, no. That wasn't the point I made, at all. Nor it has anything to do with the point I made.

Just as an aside..I've seen almost as much animosity toward him, or his supporters on this board from Democrats than for Trump.

That's just your inner victim.

 

[MT15]

Here is something I did not know. Active military is supporting Bernie, at least with their donations. That’s very unexpected, but this guy thinks he knows why.



Also, I saw some speculation that the definite hostility that anyone (but especially a woman) gets on Twitter for even mild criticism of Bernie, which I have noted and some Bernie supporters say doesn’t happen, is Russian bot activity. Idk if that’s true or not. But apparently Russian social media efforts are all in on stating how Bernie is being “targeted” by the DNC and is going to be “cheated”. It would seem that Putin wants Trump to face Bernie in the general, OR Putin just wants to divide the Democratic Party. As if they need any help in that regard, lol.

This explains why some of our more right wing posters were early with that narrative, since they are probably more likely to see that stuff and it plays really well with Bernie supporters because it builds on 2016. They believe it almost reflexively.

This is going to be a wild election season, I think we should all try to take things with a grain of salt, or maybe a whole shaker full.

 

[Lazybones]

This explains why some of our more right wing posters were early with that narrative, since they are probably more likely to see that stuff and it plays really well with Bernie supporters because it builds on 2016. They believe it almost reflexively.

could you explain this further. I guess my country education doesn’t allow me to follow your narrative

 

[MT15]

I find it hard to believe you don’t know this. Essentially they are doing everything they can to bolster Bernie and tear down Joe Biden. I think Trump supporters are more likely to see Russian troll activity, due to the fact that the Russian trolls are essentially supporting Trump, same as 2015-2016. When you support Trump, you will be more likely to see pro-Trump memes and FB pages, and a subset of them are Russian-sponsored. It is what it is.

Facebook: Russian trolls are back. And they're here to meddle with 2020

People linked to the Internet Research Agency, the Kremlin-backed troll group indicted by the United States for its alleged interference in the 2016 US presidential election, are laying the groundwork to do the same in 2020, new information released by Facebook on Monday suggests.

www.cnn.com

 

[Intensesaint]

I find it hard to believe you don’t know this. Essentially they are doing everything they can to bolster Bernie and tear down Joe Biden. I think Trump supporters are more likely to see Russian troll activity, due to the fact that the Russian trolls are essentially supporting Trump, same as 2015-2016. When you support Trump, you will be more likely to see pro-Trump memes and FB pages, and a subset of them are Russian-sponsored. It is what it is.

Facebook: Russian trolls are back. And they're here to meddle with 2020

People linked to the Internet Research Agency, the Kremlin-backed troll group indicted by the United States for its alleged interference in the 2016 US presidential election, are laying the groundwork to do the same in 2020, new information released by Facebook on Monday suggests.

www.cnn.com

Sounds like the excuse making is already starting in preparation for losing the 2020 election.

And honestly it also sounds like the left is saying they are too gullible and easily hoodwinked by trolls.

 

[Lazybones]

Des Moines Register, partners cancel release of Iowa Poll over respondent concerns

So surprised that the pollsters are trying to influence the polls. I wonder who was left off the list? My guess is Mayor Pete.

 

[Lazybones]

The Iowa caucuses are almost here. They could clarify the 2020 election — or jumble it.

The Iowa caucuses could send a signal that ripples through the states that vote next in the 2020 election. And they could just as easily create a jumble that presages a long, drawn-out fight for the Democratic nomination.

www.inquirer.com

Rep. Katie Porter (D., Calif.), who stressed that she recently won a previously Republican-held district in Orange County, said Warren "can reach into every pocket of our community — rural, urban, white, brown, black, young, old, LGBTQ,” adding: “I represent a Republican district and I am all in for Elizabeth Warren.”

at least ms porter is being honest with her peeps. It doesn’t matter who you are, Warren is going to raise your taxes.