The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (2 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Beach Friends]

You guys have officially jumped the shark. You want to birch about PC and language police, up until the moment you want to become the language police.

When Obama called Ohio the heartland, was he dog whistling too?

You just cannot make this stuff up.

Speaking for myself, I can say you missed the point. It's not that I think he should be crucified for saying "heartland." I think that is abolutely ridiculous.

The point is that the woke crap is completely out of control. I have long said that it is an unwinnable game. It's insanity, and it keeps biting the left in the rear in two ways. First, it makes them take indefensible positions. Second, as in the case, it results in the left eating it's own.

You can laugh, but you are laughing at the woke left - not us.

 

[MT15]

I was laughing at you, sorry. Your earnest attempt to say, yeah, I heard he has a race problem. That wasn’t “I think it’s ridiculous to say that is a dog whistle”, it was the furthest thing from it. That was piling on to the idea that it was a dog whistle.

And Archie, who is a staunch Trump supporter, saying this was a dog whistle.

Anyone who has listened to Pete knows he is out there trying very hard to relate to people of all races. This is probably not his year, he’s a little too young. But the idea that he’s some sort of racist is absurd. I would have to see something other than the use of the word “heartland” to start believing that. I do know he has something of a credibility problem there, but so did Bernie the first time he ran. And maybe Bernie still does, I haven’t been following the polls too closely.

 

[Beach Friends]

I was laughing at you, sorry. Your earnest attempt to say, yeah, I heard he has a race problem. That wasn’t “I think it’s ridiculous to say that is a dog whistle”, it was the furthest thing from it. That was piling on to the idea that it was a dog whistle.

And Archie, who is a staunch Trump supporter, saying this was a dog whistle.

Anyone who has listened to Pete knows he is out there trying very hard to relate to people of all races. This is probably not his year, he’s a little too young. But the idea that he’s some sort of racist is absurd. I would have to see something other than the use of the word “heartland” to start believing that. I do know he has something of a credibility problem there, but so did Bernie the first time he ran. And maybe Bernie still does, I haven’t been following the polls too closely.

Believe what you want, but do me a favor and watch this, beginning at the 19 minute mark:

 

[SaintForLife]

You guys have officially jumped the shark. You want to birch about PC and language police, up until the moment you want to become the language police.

When Obama called Ohio the heartland, was he dog whistling too?

You just cannot make this stuff up.

The left is eating their own. Did they not think calling everyone a racist that they disagreed with would eventually backfire?

 

[SaintForLife]

More desperation from Warren:

 

[wardorican]

Throwing money at the problem doesn't seem like a good way to address the ridiculous cost of college. That's a temporary bandaide. Why won't Congress look at why the costs have went up so much?

Did you not read the second paragraph I quoted?

One big factor prices went up so fast was that States either cut funding or drastically slowed down funding growth. Something like a 5% decrease in the State funding, could lead to a 15% tuition increase or more. At least, that's how it was, when the State provided more money than tuition totals did.

Enrollments went up in many places, this leads to more faculty and more auxiliary staff. You had a major IT boom in the late 90's to early 00's.

However, businessinsider did a pretty decent job answering the question.

College is more expensive than it's ever been, and the 5 reasons why suggest it's only going to get worse

College tuition has more than doubled since the 1980s, and over 45 million Americans have student-loan debt. See what's driving the cost of college.

www.businessinsider.com

"States provide less, and students and parents pay more," Hartle told Business Insider. "Studies have shown that when state support is level or increasing, tuition is flat. But when state support declines, tuition goes up. Roughly 80% of America's students attend public colleges, so it's not an exaggeration to say that the biggest determinate of the price they will pay for their education is the budgetary decisions made by state governments."

But the summary is..

College is expensive for many reasons, including a surge in demand, an increase in financial aid, a lack of state funding, a need for more faculty members and money to pay them, and ballooning student services.

So, if States aren't funding at the levels they should be, either we the public hold the bag, or we the public all chip in and have government add funds to the issue. Just not blindly. You need the states to be held to funding levels and have controls over tuition increases. Some states do this now.

 

[wardorican]

Pete Buttigieg is blowing the dog whistle with "heartland".

It's not a dog whistle. This guy is being stupid.

Pete has been very focused on rural and midwest / rust belt America. The areas where people have been economically left behind. If you want to understand the anger, especially when it comes to economic issues, you have to start with those folks. Also, being that he's from northern Indiana, the heartland is just where he's from.

Is a campaign going to win on "New York Sensibilities"?

 

[Archies Ghost]

It's not a dog whistle. This guy is being stupid.

Pete has been very focused on rural and midwest / rust belt America. The areas where people have been economically left behind. If you want to understand the anger, especially when it comes to economic issues, you have to start with those folks. Also, being that he's from northern Indiana, the heartland is just where he's from.

Is a campaign going to win on "New York Sensibilities"?

That was a stupid tweet. They were a bunch of other equally stupid tweets on Mayor Pete using the term “heartland”.

I often wonder if social media creates or just exposes stupid people.

 

[wardorican]

That was a stupid tweet. They were a bunch of other equally stupid tweets on Mayor Pete using the term “heartland”.

I often wonder if social media creates or just exposes stupid people.

See, we can agree on some things.

I lean towards exposes.. but I think the desire to be a unique voice makes people push silly narratives.

 

[SaintForLife]

Did you not read the second paragraph I quoted?

One big factor prices went up so fast was that States either cut funding or drastically slowed down funding growth. Something like a 5% decrease in the State funding, could lead to a 15% tuition increase or more. At least, that's how it was, when the State provided more money than tuition totals did.

Enrollments went up in many places, this leads to more faculty and more auxiliary staff. You had a major IT boom in the late 90's to early 00's.

However, businessinsider did a pretty decent job answering the question.

College is more expensive than it's ever been, and the 5 reasons why suggest it's only going to get worse

College tuition has more than doubled since the 1980s, and over 45 million Americans have student-loan debt. See what's driving the cost of college.

www.businessinsider.com

But the summary is..



So, if States aren't funding at the levels they should be, either we the public hold the bag, or we the public all chip in and have government add funds to the issue. Just not blindly. You need the states to be held to funding levels and have controls over tuition increases. Some states do this now.

I did read your 2nd paragraph which like the first fails to address why schools keep raising their tuitions to ridiculous levels. I know state funding is part of the equation, but that would still allow the schools to add many unnecessary things to their campus including more administration.

 

[Archies Ghost]

See, we can agree on some things.

I lean towards exposes.. but I think the desire to be a unique voice makes people push silly narratives.

I suspect most of us probably agree on a whole host of issues. We are, however, stuck in an endless loop of automatically defending our team or attacking the other team.

An easy example is the stalwart defense of the Bidens. We all know they are corrupt. We all know their behavior is commonplace in Washington. In a sane political environment, the voters would be united in opposition to this sort of behavior. Yet I know as I type this, someone will defend the Bidens in this thread. They will feel compelled to address the wrong I have done to their tribe.

Thus the cycle shall continue.

The Buttigieg incident is an example of the Balkanization occurring on the left moreso than the right. The tribe offended by the term “heartland” as racist and indicative of lack of heart vigorously attack Mayor Pete. The end game is hundreds of millions of tribes defending and attacking on very narrow ground.

It happens on both sides and will eventually consume us all, I suppose.

 

[brandon]

An easy example is the stalwart defense of the Bidens. We all know they are corrupt. We all know their behavior is commonplace in Washington. In a sane political environment, the voters would be united in opposition to this sort of behavior. Yet I know as I type this, someone will defend the Bidens in this thread. They will feel compelled to address the wrong I have done to their tribe.

I've probably said this a hundred times.

If the Bidens did something illegal, investigate, prosecute them, and put them in prison.

Say the same thing about Trump.

 

[JimEverett]

State funding is an issue. Just looking at Tennessee, funding is increasing but is not keeping up with demand. Regrdless, tuition increases are far outstripping the difference in state funding per-student declines.

You also have the enormous increases at private, non-profit universities as well. And these cannot be explained by state funding.

 

[Beach Friends]

The left is eating their own. Did they not think calling everyone a racist that they disagreed with would eventually backfire?

I do see some glimmer of hope - you actually see some people on the left, like Dore and Krystal Ball calling out this insanity.

But, you have people like Warren who doesn't seem capable of looking around the stage and noticing that the most woke candidates were the first to fail.

Generally speaking, is it an inability to grasp the obvious? Or, and I think this is more likely, is it a lack of courage? I really felt going into the Democratic primaries you would see exactly what we saw - people racing to the extreme because wokeness is like a cult that does not tolerate heresy to the dogma.

 

[V Chip]

More desperation from Warren:

No, that's another derp moment from Jimmy Dore.

 

[BobE]

 

[Heathen]

Move those goalposts

 

[samiam5211]

I hope this means that maryanne is back in the show.