The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (9 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Farb]

So, @Farb I know the others gave you some low hanging fruit to attack, but aren't you going to reply to me? I'm trying to be fair here.

Sorry @wardorican , I will go back and read what you replied.

Never mind, you just replied.

No, talking with a rapist is not the same as rape. Why would you think I think that? If I said that, then I misspoke and misspoke badly.

There would be no limelight if the guy who had a warrant and was not suppose to be at the address of his victim (if found guilty) was not at the address of the victim.

There would also be no limelight if the guy followed the lawful commands of the officers that the victim called for protection.

As far as the family, they wouldn't have to go through this if they raised a better child, but apparently they raised a serial rapist and abuser (if found guilty).

Blake's kids would not have to be involved in this if he didn't take them along as he drove to address that he was not legally allowed to go to, go inside, abuse a woman again while he had an active warrant.

There is a lot of empathy for Blake, his family, his kids, his lawyer. All I hear about is empathy. I think that was Biden's play and his supporters ate it up. Where is the empathy for his victim? There is no empathy because she was not shot by cops there by continuing the narrative.

 

[brandon]

There would be no limelight if the guy who had a warrant and was not suppose to be at the address of his victim (if found guilty) was not at the address of the victim.

There would also be no limelight if the guy followed the lawful commands of the officers that the victim called for protection.

There would also be no limelight if the police had not needlessly shot a man in the back seven times.

 

[LA - L.A.]

There is a lot of empathy for Blake, his family, his kids, his lawyer. All I hear about is empathy. ... Where is the empathy for his victim? There is no empathy because she was not shot by cops there by continuing the narrative.

I understand that and I think politics play a part in Biden publicizing his meeting with Blake. I don't think Biden had the press with him when he actually met with Blake. At least, I didn't see any coverage from the actual meeting.

I don't think one can assume that there is no empathy for the woman just because we haven't heard about it. There could be valid reasons why we haven't heard anything publicly. The woman may be keeping it private or keeping to herself. Victims of rape frequently do both of those.

That said, I'd like to hear Biden acknowledge her too. Maybe he has and if not maybe he will.

Regardless of what Biden does or doesn't do, I'm glad you brought it up.

Our society is too fixated not just on winning, but on owning the others. Too often we overlook important things in the blind pursuit of it and it happens far too often when someone's running for office.

 

[bdb13]

E Jean Carroll is a different accuser. Jane Doe was the 13 year old that accused Trump of rape, but then a month before it was supposed to go to trial, the trial was called off. I suspect there was a either huge cash offer or a huge life threat to cease that trial.

Yep, connected to Epstein.

 

[bdb13]

Sorry @wardorican , I will go back and read what you replied.

Never mind, you just replied.

No, talking with a rapist is not the same as rape. Why would you think I think that? If I said that, then I misspoke and misspoke badly.

There would be no limelight if the guy who had a warrant and was not suppose to be at the address of his victim (if found guilty) was not at the address of the victim.

There would also be no limelight if the guy followed the lawful commands of the officers that the victim called for protection.

As far as the family, they wouldn't have to go through this if they raised a better child, but apparently they raised a serial rapist and abuser (if found guilty).

Blake's kids would not have to be involved in this if he didn't take them along as he drove to address that he was not legally allowed to go to, go inside, abuse a woman again while he had an active warrant.

There is a lot of empathy for Blake, his family, his kids, his lawyer. All I hear about is empathy. I think that was Biden's play and his supporters ate it up. Where is the empathy for his victim? There is no empathy because she was not shot by cops there by continuing the narrative.

This is similar to the reaction we all had when Trump wished Gislaine Maxwell well, is it not? She helped to rape 13 year old little girls, where was Trump's empathy for them instead of Maxwell?

Edit: To add, I'd guess Blake is probably a fairly shirtty person who's quite possibly guilty of sexual assault but that I'm aware of there's less evidence of that than there is for Maxwell's guilt.

 

[Lapaz]

This is similar to the reaction we all had when Trump wished Gislaine Maxwell well, is it not? She helped to rape 13 year old little girls, where was Trump's empathy for them instead of Maxwell?

Edit: To add, I'd guess Blake is probably a fairly shirtty person who's quite possibly guilty of sexual assault but that I'm aware of there's less evidence of that than there is for Maxwell's guilt.

Blake may be a piece of garbage, but that doesn't excuse killing him. It is outrageous, and should be called out and the perpetrator prosecuted, regardless of the race of the victim and the perpetrator. We should always have sympathy for victims of violent crimes, whether the criminal is the police or anyone else, but I think being shot in the back multiple times deserves more sympathy.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Blake may be a piece of garbage, but that doesn't excuse killing him. It is outrageous, and should be called out and the perpetrator prosecuted, regardless of the race of the victim and the perpetrator. We should always have sympathy for victims of violent crimes, whether the criminal is the police or anyone else, but I think being shot in the back multiple times deserves more sympathy.

Just want to point out that Blake survived the shooting. It appears he will be partially paralyzed for the remainder of his life, but he's still alive.

 

[wardorican]

Sorry @wardorican , I will go back and read what you replied.

Never mind, you just replied.

No, talking with a rapist is not the same as rape. Why would you think I think that? If I said that, then I misspoke and misspoke badly.

There would be no limelight if the guy who had a warrant and was not suppose to be at the address of his victim (if found guilty) was not at the address of the victim.

There would also be no limelight if the guy followed the lawful commands of the officers that the victim called for protection.

As far as the family, they wouldn't have to go through this if they raised a better child, but apparently they raised a serial rapist and abuser (if found guilty).

Blake's kids would not have to be involved in this if he didn't take them along as he drove to address that he was not legally allowed to go to, go inside, abuse a woman again while he had an active warrant.

There is a lot of empathy for Blake, his family, his kids, his lawyer. All I hear about is empathy. I think that was Biden's play and his supporters ate it up. Where is the empathy for his victim? There is no empathy because she was not shot by cops there by continuing the narrative.

I'm really just trying to understand why you're making a big stink of it. You aren't equating the two acts, I just didn't hear you rally against Trump's comments in the news bus years ago (inside hollywood?). And you're correct, "you could do it" doesn't mean that he did. It just insinuates.

I don't get too caught up in optics. I get more caught up in actions, or statements.

As an example, so many of Trump's tweets are just awful. He had one questioning why fund schools when they're not open.. well.. they're still teaching.. they still need to pay teachers, and keep the power on...It's not like they're doing nothing.

I'm not going to get caught up in being upset with people who are showing empathy for a guy. Yes, he's political convenient due to the shooting, but has a lot of baggage. I'd rather they focus on B. Taylor, but since she's dead, they can't visit her. Maybe they should visit the Autistic boy shot. I'm not sure if they have.

 

[Heathen]

It is also completely possible that AntifaBLM rioted, looted and burned private businesses because a serial abuser and rapist (if found guilty) was shot by police at the residence of the victim after resisting arrest. Maybe they should wait until all the facts available, No?

We can argue the specifics of whether a shooting was justified based on a weapon being in a car, but I want to outline two things:

1) A person shouldn't be treated by police any differently if they were a rapist, murderer or squeaky clean if the situation doesn't warrant it. That means if a one of the former is out on the street and is shot without good reason, it should be just as much of an uproar and violation of human rights as if the same was done to a person who had no prior record. That much should be obvious to anyone. It's not to those who, for instance, want those with criminal records to not be able to vote from prison or after they get out of prison. This isn't Iran.

2) I'm not sure if you realize the 'ANTIFABLM' negative narrative isn't working. Or at least isn't nearly as effective now as it was just 5 years ago. I don't support those who hurt innocent others -- you have those fringes in every movement --and BLM is just that -- a movement, not an 'organized group'. That's also why i don't conflate Trump supporters as being all racist, anti-science conspiracists. There are those people -- but most I would say are just ordinary people who have opinions that differ greatly from mine.

You may have a very negative perception and conflate the BLM movement with looting and murder, but you must realize that a growing number do not. Many people now see the movement for what it should be -- a plight to push for racial equity amidst what is quite obvious -- that police departments all across the nation have a cancer that is systemic racism that should be addressed. And will be addressed. The majority support police as they would any human being but will NOT tolerate racism and WILL be holding a big magnifying glass over these departments to make sure those that work for us do the job they swore to do without racial bias.

Also, I assume you do not support Trump who stokes the flames of racial division all the time, right? If so, I believe we're closer than we think in our ideologies. Maybe just a few points we disagree on.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Anyone watching the town hall?

 

[MT15]

Just caught the end of it. He seemed to be doing a good job to me.

ETA, lol

 

[The moose]

Anyone watching the town hall?

No I have invested too much time to news and political coverage the last few years.

Actually watching the tour de france and football tonight for a much needed break.

The only problem is watching the tdf just pisses me off on our pandemic response. France looks to be doing fine. They have been racing for three weeks with about 170 riders no positive tests. They only have had four total out of all the riders and needed staff for the race that is about 3k people total.

 

[Rob22278]

No I have invested too much time to news and political coverage the last few years.

Actually watching the tour de france and football tonight for a much needed break.

The only problem is watching the tdf just pisses me off on our pandemic response. France looks to be doing fine. They have been racing for three weeks with about 170 riders no positive tests. They only have had four total out of all the riders and needed staff for the race that is about 3k people total.

France just reported the most positive tests since the pandemic began.

If you want to use sports as a measure for success against the virus, the NFL has given 44,000 tests to players, personnel, and team employees. 8 total positive tests.

 

[Ayo]

France just reported the most positive tests since the pandemic began.

Yes, France, like other places in Europe, is seeing a rise in cases. There are entering a second wave, it appears. Function of weather or the inevitable result of opening back up. Something else. A combination of these and others is beyond my paygrade.

It looks like they also just recently passed the US in per capita cases, too. Here are a few graphs - I included Canada as a North American comparison point. Here are the total cases.

Now, the other thing to keep in mind is France's testing over time. It's quite possible that their current 'peak' is not actually the peak but also the product of increased testing. The highest spike prior to this for France was April 1. It's not quite on the testing chart, but you take the data, they are testing 500% more people than back then. France has ramped up testing in the last six weeks and obviously factors into the current numbers. Now, I am not saying France isn't facing a tough time - I think it's clear they are. But if we are getting into "It's worse on day 240 than it was on day 35" but we weren't testing nearly the same, we don't actually know :

and finally, the comparative per capita in the countries of cases - and I need to amend what I wrote above. It looks like France hasn't overtaken the US in per capita confirmed cases... but I swear I saw that. But as I looked for the chart just now, I couldn't find it. I found this, showing it's close, regardless.

Personally, the things that worry me about the Canadian numbers is that we are seeing this spike sooner than the lag between Europe and our spike in the Spring.

It took months, then, but now - weeks. So I am not sure what accounts for it. But I know people here are getting super twitchy anxious.

I'm among them

 

[Booker]

Just caught the end of it. He seemed to be doing a good job to me.

ETA, lol

Couldn't possibly be that he prepared in advance? No, much more likely he was given the answers...or drugs (adrenochrome maybe?)...or both!

 

[MT15]

So far, , we are staying flat in number of hospitalizations in my state. That’s the easiest way for me to keep track. Our governor, Republican no less, credits a state wide mask mandate for our numbers remaining fairly low and stable.

 

[Dragon]

Yes, France, like other places in Europe, is seeing a rise in cases. There are entering a second wave, it appears. Function of weather or the inevitable result of opening back up. Something else. A combination of these and others is beyond my paygrade.

It looks like they also just recently passed the US in per capita cases, too. Here are a few graphs - I included Canada as a North American comparison point. Here are the total cases.

Now, the other thing to keep in mind is France's testing over time. It's quite possible that their current 'peak' is not actually the peak but also the product of increased testing. The highest spike prior to this for France was April 1. It's not quite on the testing chart, but you take the data, they are testing 500% more people than back then. France has ramped up testing in the last six weeks and obviously factors into the current numbers. Now, I am not saying France isn't facing a tough time - I think it's clear they are. But if we are getting into "It's worse on day 240 than it was on day 35" but we weren't testing nearly the same, we don't actually know :

and finally, the comparative per capita in the countries of cases - and I need to amend what I wrote above. It looks like France hasn't overtaken the US in per capita confirmed cases... but I swear I saw that. But as I looked for the chart just now, I couldn't find it. I found this, showing it's close, regardless.

Personally, the things that worry me about the Canadian numbers is that we are seeing this spike sooner than the lag between Europe and our spike in the Spring.

It took months, then, but now - weeks. So I am not sure what accounts for it. But I know people here are getting super twitchy anxious.

I'm among them

Young people. Schools back and while the schools does everything they can to keep people safe - well young people will be young people
So they go to the bars, restaurants etc, which has just reopened and when they can't crowd the usual way indoors, they do it outdoors,

They may be keeping safe distances early in the evening but as they get more and more to drink they forget. So now a lot of the recent infections are young people between 18 and 25 (drinking age is 18 here). So now every bar and restaurant will have to close at 10 PM and if the kids continue the party in the streets, they are told to go home or get a fine.

Our PM said she'd rather shut down every bar and restaurant early than shut down the education of our young people. Another factor in the higher numbers is the amount of people tested. They are doing a lot of agressive contact tracing, and over the next 3 months they are going to send out free antibody tests to 1,5 million people ( we have a population of 5,5 M) so the numbers of infected are going to be high, while the % of those tested who test positive remains low.

 

[Taurus]

Something I think Biden and the DNC need to start thinking about is why this election is even remotely close.
If Joe were running against a decent human being instead of a living skidmark, he'd be getting curbstomped. Why is that?
What is it about the Democratic Party that's so off-putting? Or, if it's not the DNC, how is opposition propaganda so effective?