The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (12 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[brandon]

WAP? Where have you been? It has been empowering women for a few weeks now. It landed the singer of that song, or should I say 'songbird of our generation', an interview with the main man, Biden!

It's mind-blowingly ironic that you're accusing Blake of that knowing full well your president is on tape admitting to the very same act.

I assume you'll want the same punishment for each.

 

[Farb]

It's mind-blowingly ironic that you're accusing Blake of that knowing full well your president is on tape admitting to the very same act.

I assume you'll want the same punishment for each.

I am not accusing Blake of a thing besides being a terrible human being. The female that Blake raped(if found guilty) accused him of this. Not me.
Can your provide the source he actually did this or did he say you could if you were a star?

Starts about the 1:15 mark:


This austere family man that Biden, Harris and the Biden supporters are taking their inspiration from is accused of this:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/

"Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her.

The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said, “I want my sh-t,” the record states.

She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges.

The officer who took her statement said she “had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her.”

The alleged victim said Blake “penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent” and she was “very humiliated and upset by the sexual assault,” the record states."

Sounds like a swell guy(if found guilty). Maybe he should win the Walter Payton man of the year award?

 

[Infoman]

What is her WAP?

Please post a link to the article you are referring to.

 

[LA - L.A.]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/us/who-is-jacob-blake-trnd/index.html

Here is a glowing write up on what a great family man he is. .... it is does not say father of the year anywhere in the article.

All of the things that are seen as glowing talk of what a great family man he is in that article are direct quotes from his family. The article makes that very clear.

Who else besides Blake's family is describing him as a great family man?

What's wrong with hearing what his family has to say? What's wrong with showing their human side of this story?

Where did I say that or insinuate that?

You originally said this:

I guess the #metoo movement has died at the hands of ... Democrats can no longer claim moral high ground.

So, I asked you if Biden or Harris have expressed any intentions of interfering with any investigation into the rape allegations made against Blake.

If they haven't, then nothing they have done or said in regards to Blake is inconsistent with the women's movement against sexual harassment and sexual assault. It seems you are implying that by treating Blake with human dignity and empathy, Biden and Harris are going against the women's movement to end sexual harassment and assault against women.

Empathy for a possible rapist that was shot 7 times in the back at point blank range by a police officer and empathy for women who are victims of sexual harassment and sexual assault are not mutually exclusive. There's not a zero-sum game between the two. It's possible to do both at the same time.

Why would they spend time talking about how brave, resilient, and worthy of showing pride to a rapist (if found guilty)?

In Biden's case I think it stems mostly from his Catholic Christian values. I think he has empathy for not only Blake, but for all of the people that are victims of unnecessary police violence and brutality. I honestly don't understand having an issue with anyone treating anyone else with dignity and empathy. It was one of Christ's most important teachings.

Why would a woman lie about being sexually assaulted ...

In the vast majority of instances they are telling the truth and that is likely the truth in this case as well.

... and bigger question yet, why would Biden and Harris make special trips to meet with this individual?

I believe that political gain is part of the motivation, but Biden has a long history of being empathetic and treating people with dignity. I think that is his primary motivation. That's one of the few things that I like about Biden.

Here is a local story that goes into more detail on what happened on 5.3.2020 where ... Blake received the warrant for his arrest. The warrant the cops knew about when they arrived on the scene when Blake's victim (if found guilty) called 911 for emergence help for the 2nd time on Blake.

I'm not defending Blake. I'm aware that all of the allegations against him may be true.

For me, even if all of the allegations are true, I still think don't think any of what happened justifies shooting him in the back 7 times at point blank range when there were other options.

Your original post was a judgement and critique of Biden for meeting with Blake. That's the heart of this discussion for me. That's my focal point.

It's easy to treat people with hate. That's why too many people act out of hate. If treating people like Blake with dignity and empathy were easy, a lot more people would be doing it. I personally operate from a place of treating people with dignity and empathy. It takes a lot of work and I often fail. It's the only thing I took with me when I parted ways with Catholicism. That's probably another reason I see Biden's actions differently than some do.

When I see someone treat anyone with dignity and empathy, I admire them for their actions, I don't loathe them for it. That's why I'm okay with Biden meeting with Blake and talking about him in a dignified and empathetic way. To me it's a good thing.

 

[Lapaz]

I am not accusing Blake of a thing besides being a terrible human being. The female that Blake raped(if found guilty) accused him of this. Not me.
Can your provide the source he actually did this or did he say you could if you were a star?

Starts about the 1:15 mark:


This austere family man that Biden, Harris and the Biden supporters are taking their inspiration from is accused of this:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/this-is-why-jacob-blake-had-a-warrant-out-for-his-arrest/

"Blake is accused in the criminal complaint, which was obtained by The Post, of breaking into the home of a woman he knew and sexually assaulting her.

The victim, who is only identified by her initials in the paperwork, told police she was asleep in bed with one of her children when Blake came into the room around 6 a.m. and allegedly said, “I want my sh-t,” the record states.

She told cops Blake then used his finger to sexually assault her, sniffed it and said, “Smells like you’ve been with other men,” the criminal complaint alleges.

The officer who took her statement said she “had a very difficult time telling him this and cried as she told how the defendant assaulted her.”

The alleged victim said Blake “penetrating her digitally caused her pain and humiliation and was done without her consent” and she was “very humiliated and upset by the sexual assault,” the record states."

Sounds like a swell guy(if found guilty). Maybe he should win the Walter Payton man of the year award?

Trump is a serial groper and sexual assaulter, unless they're all lying.

A Running List Of The Women Who've Accused Donald Trump Of Sexual Misconduct

All their stories in one place.

www.huffpost.com

He may also be a rapist if Jane Doe is telling the truth.

 

[MT15]

It’s E Jean Carroll that is on record accusing him of rape. Unless Jane Doe is someone else.

 

[Farb]

The 'whataboutism' and mental gymnastics to defend a rapist(if found guilty) by the Biden supporters, Biden and Harris as well as the media just because it forwards a narrative is, well, it is not surprising in the least.

It is bad optics. It is terrible optics and if this dude is found guilty the Democrats just created the best political ad for Trump of the entire election. Women should love it. This will come back to haunt Biden and especially Harris.

 

[Nebaghead]

The 'whataboutism' and mental gymnastics to defend a rapist(if found guilty) by the Biden supporters, Biden and Harris as well as the media just because it forwards a narrative is, well, it is not surprising in the least.

It is bad optics. It is terrible optics and if this dude is found guilty the Democrats just created the best political ad for Trump of the entire election. Women should love it. This will come back to haunt Biden and especially Harris.

Doubt anyone will remember anything about this a year from now. With all the crap Trump has done the last 3-4 years, no one can barely remember the crap he did. He literally said Megan Kellybwas bleeding out of her whatever or something. Sheesh that would be enough to end anyone’s career but the American public has a memory like a goldfish.

 

[Farb]

Doubt anyone will remember anything about this a year from now. With all the crap Trump has done the last 3-4 years, no one can barely remember the crap he did. He literally said Megan Kellybwas bleeding out of her whatever or something. Sheesh that would be enough to end anyone’s career but the American public has a memory like a goldfish.

The word you were looking for was WAP.
You might be right. We do have a short attention span but I have a feeling (conspiracy tinfoil the dog type theory) that this won't be forgetten. This is a pre made for TV ad for Trump if this guy is convicted.

 

[brandon]

The 'whataboutism' and mental gymnastics to defend a rapist(if found guilty) by the Biden supporters, Biden and Harris as well as the media just because it forwards a narrative is, well, it is not surprising in the least.

If a crime was committed, lock him up.

Plug your ears if you want.

 

[brandon]

The word you were looking for was WAP.

So you agree that Trump was being sexist when he made that comment.

 

[bdb13]

The word you were looking for was WAP.
You might be right. We do have a short attention span but I have a feeling (conspiracy tinfoil the dog type theory) that this won't be forgetten. This is a pre made for TV ad for Trump if this guy is convicted.

I'm sure there will be an ad if that happens but I think it would be fairly easy for Harris to pivot and condemn Blake post-conviction without much lasting political damage.

Y'all probably have covered it but when is the trial?

 

[brandon]

Also, just for the record, what Blake is accused of, while disgusting, would not merit capital punishment.

 

[LA - L.A.]

... if this dude is found guilty the Democrats just created the best political ad for Trump of the entire election. Women should love it. This will come back to haunt Biden and especially Harris.

It's unlikely he'll be indicted and go to trial prior to election day. At the moment, only the people who were already going to vote for Trump seem bothered by Biden visiting Blake and talking about Blake the way he did.

Trump is giving Biden a lot more political ad materials than Trump'll be able to milk out of this. And I suspect there are much bigger problems coming for Trump. Woodward is going to leak new stuff everyday until his book is released and it's going to get progressively worse each day.

All of that considered, I doubt this story will have any real impact on the election. Only time will tell though.

 

[Lapaz]

The 'whataboutism' and mental gymnastics to defend a rapist(if found guilty) by the Biden supporters, Biden and Harris as well as the media just because it forwards a narrative is, well, it is not surprising in the least.

It is bad optics. It is terrible optics and if this dude is found guilty the Democrats just created the best political ad for Trump of the entire election. Women should love it. This will come back to haunt Biden and especially Harris.

It's hysterical for you to talk about whataboutism. I assure you that if Biden turns out to be 1/2 as guilty of crimes as Trump, Democrats will not continue to support him like the Republican cultists support Trump. Trump is the epitome of white trash, except he was born with money to escape jail, otherwise he would've been in and out of jail his whole life.

 

[Lapaz]

It’s E Jean Carroll that is on record accusing him of rape. Unless Jane Doe is someone else.

E Jean Carroll is a different accuser. Jane Doe was the 13 year old that accused Trump of rape, but then a month before it was supposed to go to trial, the trial was called off. I suspect there was a either huge cash offer or a huge life threat to cease that trial.

 

[wardorican]

The article you linked included a link to the one from Biden's visit.

Can you show me where he is being lionized? (Well, I guess, technically just by showing up, it meets the plain definition.. so, I guess what I"m getting at is where's the beef?)

I'll bold the quotes from Biden or talking about him.



I just see a guy who actually showed grace and empathy towards someone. Yes.. in semi public.

Regardless of how awful this guy may be, he and his family are now shouldering a responsibility they never would have had.. and you could argue don't deserve. But they have it. Their lives are changed for the better or worse regardless.

I think the line from Ben Crump says a lot. It's how an actually religious person should act. With a sense of humanity, treating someone as a person worthy of consideration and prayer.

And he still condemns the violence, burning, and looting.

But yeah, how dare he speak with the tax collector, prostitute, criminal, etc..

So, @Farb I know the others gave you some low hanging fruit to attack, but aren't you going to reply to me? I'm trying to be fair here.

 

[wardorican]

The 'whataboutism' and mental gymnastics to defend a rapist(if found guilty) by the Biden supporters, Biden and Harris as well as the media just because it forwards a narrative is, well, it is not surprising in the least.

It is bad optics. It is terrible optics and if this dude is found guilty the Democrats just created the best political ad for Trump of the entire election. Women should love it. This will come back to haunt Biden and especially Harris.

it is bad optics to be around a person who is accused of awful thing. However, are bad optics as bad as doing the bad act its self? No.

Would I rather be talking to someone thrust into the lime light, perhaps undeservedly so, and treating them with compassion than being someone accused of those actions? Yes.

So, it's not mental gymnastics, it is pointing out the potential hypocrisy of your position.... i.e. to be upset/appalled at Biden/Harris for giving this guy the time of day, vs the series of allegations of infidelity or sexual assault against Trump. I guess you can tell yourself that the things alleged against Trump aren't true. Except for the infidelity part, which isn't exactly a crime.

But to worry about optics of what people could consider, vs the actual mean, hurtful, harmful things that comes out of the President's mouth, and his actual actions get glossed over.

That's team based cheer-leading at its finest, in my opinion. So, instead of all that, I'd rather talk about the situation, like I tried to do from the get go.