Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Farb]

Your lies are as despicable as always. You used to be somewhat reality based, now as someone smarter than me has observed, you’re a caricature. It’s not surprising, but it’s been disappointing to watch you become more and more radical.

I don't lie. And what I said is the truth and as such, it is hard to swallow.

 

[Farb]

This is pure bullshirt.

Explain?

 

[DaveXA]

You mean the 2nd thing the founders wrote down?
In a way, you are correct, we, as citizen gun owners, have given in way too much on what the state will allow us to buy and maintain.

Technically the 3rd thing. There's something called the Constitution that would be the 1st thing.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If you guys stuck with the 'safe, legal and rare' every state would still have abortion. As usual the left keep pushing for abortion up until birth and maybe beyond. That forced a counter action. You all have no one to blame than yourselves.

Maybe it will be “if Republicans had left Roe v Wade alone they would have retaken the House and Senate”
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A new poll shows that Democrats virtually eliminated Republicans’ lead in who Americans prefer to control Congress in the 2022 midterm election a month after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade.

A poll by Emerson College spoke to 1,078 registered voters between 19 July and 20 July and it had a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

“Those who say abortion is the top issue facing the nation are more motivated to vote this November than any other issue group,” Spencer Kimball, executive director of polling for Emerson College, said in a statement……

Democrats and Republicans in a tie for control of the House in midterms, poll shows

People who say abortion is their top priority are more motivated to vote than any other issue group, Emerson College poll director says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[superchuck500]

Explain?

I don’t need to explain what is patently false and junk rhetoric.


But in short, abortion is illegal in almost every state past a certain point - it varies within a few weeks but it’s based on viability, which is what Roe/Casey protected. There was never a constitutional right to abortion beyond that point, though not every state outlawed it.

The push to overturn Roe/Casey has been going on for more than 40 years and was the centerpiece of the conservative agenda set by organizations like Heritage and the Federalist Society, and unaffiliated political evangelicals across the country. Overturning Roe became the top criteria for conservative judicial endorsements and it’s the sole reason why Justice Barrett is on the Court.

Conversely, there has been no reasonable push to expand abortion rights “up until birth and maybe beyond.” This is common rhetoric in the anti-abortion agenda but it’s false - infanticide is illegal homicide in every state and federal law. If anything, developments in pre-natal imaging technology had, before Dobbs, moved the needle toward earlier in the pregnancy rather than later.

But the idea that conservatives were comfortable with the Roe/Casey definition based on viability and it was only in response to “the left’s” push to expand it into the third trimester “and maybe beyond” that forced this movement toward appointing judges committed to overturning Roe is utterly false. It is pure bullshirt.

The Facts on the Born-Alive Debate - FactCheck.org

Republicans and Democrats traded accusations on the topic of abortion after a “born-alive” bill failed in the Senate. Democrats say the legislation was unnecessary and aimed at restricting access to legal abortion, while Republicans say it was about protecting babies. We’ll go through what the...

www.factcheck.org

 

[Saintamaniac]

But the idea that conservatives were comfortable with the Roe/Casey definition based on viability and it was only in response to “the left’s” push to expand it into the third trimester “and maybe beyond” that forced this movement toward appointing judges committed to overturning Roe is utterly false. It is pure bullshirt.

You have to consider the source. There is a history there.

 

[Farb]

I don’t need to explain what is patently false and junk rhetoric.


But in short, abortion is illegal in almost every state past a certain point - it varies within a few weeks but it’s based on viability, which is what Roe/Casey protected. There was never a constitutional right to abortion beyond that point, though not every state outlawed it.

The push to overturn Roe/Casey has been going on for more than 40 years and was the centerpiece of the conservative agenda set by organizations like Heritage and the Federalist Society, and unaffiliated political evangelicals across the country. Overturning Roe became the top criteria for conservative judicial endorsements and it’s the sole reason why Justice Barrett is on the Court.

Conversely, there has been no reasonable push to expand abortion rights “up until birth and maybe beyond.” This is common rhetoric in the anti-abortion agenda but it’s false - infanticide is illegal homicide in every state and federal law. If anything, developments in pre-natal imaging technology had, before Dobbs, moved the needle toward earlier in the pregnancy rather than later.

But the idea that conservatives were comfortable with the Roe/Casey definition based on viability and it was only in response to “the left’s” push to expand it into the third trimester “and maybe beyond” that forced this movement toward appointing judges committed to overturning Roe is utterly false. It is pure bullshirt.

The Facts on the Born-Alive Debate - FactCheck.org

Republicans and Democrats traded accusations on the topic of abortion after a “born-alive” bill failed in the Senate. Democrats say the legislation was unnecessary and aimed at restricting access to legal abortion, while Republicans say it was about protecting babies. We’ll go through what the...

www.factcheck.org

You are correct, the pro-life movement has been around for some time, however, I have noticed that there has been more and more people being active in the pro-life movement. There are probably several reason for it but one has to be that the more causal political citizen has seen the alt-lefts moves to push abortion as a right and a celebration of 'womanhood' (no definition provided). When you have people celebrating and having parties for their abortion, you think it might turn off some of those that really didn't care what a person did? So, in essence, the constant push to make abortion 'just a removal of a clump of cells' backfired. Make no mistake, I am thrilled for it as I am staunchly pro-life.
Cause and reaction.
As typical for the left, they need to not only be able to do something, they want everyone's affirmation that they are a good person because of it and if you disapprove with their decision you are a bigot, evil, racist, sexist, bad, no good, very mean person. They want the rights and the celebration along with it. That leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth that was fine to go along with the 'safe, legal and rare' but it moved from that to birth control for convenience.

Also, Roe was a garbage legal decision that should have been overturned just because of how the right to an abortion was invented out of thin air (or privacy actually) on a federal level.

It is better for the country for the states to decide. Do we really want the people in Washington making decisions as if California and Mississippi have the same type of morals and values?

 

[MT15]

You are correct, the pro-life movement has been around for some time, however, I have noticed that there has been more and more people being active in the pro-life movement. There are probably several reason for it but one has to be that the more causal political citizen has seen the alt-lefts moves to push abortion as a right and a celebration of 'womanhood' (no definition provided). When you have people celebrating and having parties for their abortion, you think it might turn off some of those that really didn't care what a person did? So, in essence, the constant push to make abortion 'just a removal of a clump of cells' backfired. Make no mistake, I am thrilled for it as I am staunchly pro-life.
Cause and reaction.
As typical for the left, they need to not only be able to do something, they want everyone's affirmation that they are a good person because of it and if you disapprove with their decision you are a bigot, evil, racist, sexist, bad, no good, very mean person. They want the rights and the celebration along with it. That leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth that was fine to go along with the 'safe, legal and rare' but it moved from that to birth control for convenience.

Also, Roe was a garbage legal decision that should have been overturned just because of how the right to an abortion was invented out of thin air (or privacy actually) on a federal level.

It is better for the country for the states to decide. Do we really want the people in Washington making decisions as if California and Mississippi have the same type of morals and values?

More complete BS. You’re just spewing hateful rhetoric that has been pushed to appeal to your emotions. And you want to punish women for daring to want to make their own decisions about their own bodies.

 

[superchuck500]

Cause and reaction.

Again - no. There’s no basis for that conclusion. You clearly want this to be true, I guess you want to see it as some sort of retribution for behavior you supposedly have seen (which even if true is a tiny minority of people).

But you’re wrong, it didn’t happen that way. The pro-life movement was never satisfied or comfortable with abortion up until viability (Roe). Full stop.

 

[brandon]

Would the 10 year old that I keep hearing about not be eligible for a safe, legal and rare abortion?

Bro, she literally wasn’t eligible for a safe, legal, and rare abortion.

 

[MT15]

Again - no. There’s no basis for that conclusion. You clearly want this to be true, I guess you want to see it as some sort of retribution for behavior you supposedly have seen (which even if true is a tiny minority of people).

But you’re wrong, it didn’t happen that way. The pro-life movement was never satisfied or comfortable with abortion up until viability (Roe). Full stop.

He’s never seen the behavior he’s citing, just like there are no viable babies that are aborted. It’s all urban legend claptrap.

 

[zztop]

 

[MT15]

It’s about putting women “in their place”. That’s it. They don’t care about anything but controlling women.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Would the 10 year old that I keep hearing about not be eligible for a safe, legal and rare abortion? What about the grandma that still wants to bang, or the girl that was raped? Yes, they would.

Would they? You assume way too much that this would get GOP votes from the bible-thumpers or... at least... the politicians that pander to them. I doubt most elected GOP officials believe in it past the extent they know it gets them votes. The pro-life movement has always been about religious fundamentalism at its core.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

It is better for the country for the states to decide. Do we really want the people in Washington making decisions as if California and Mississippi have the same type of morals and values?

Ever wonder why the deep South states are consistently in the bottom ten or so of most objective metrics of education and economic prosperity?

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Gloria Steinem is often credited with having uttered the remark, “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”

Although the quote more likely originated with an elderly Irish taxi driver in Boston, according to Quote Investigator, the saying is as true today as ever.


In view of new and forthcoming laws banning abortion without exceptions, a related if less clever sentiment aimed at certain men comes to mind: Would that a man could become impregnated by a rapist — or by his Uncle Festus — and be forced to give birth to the little spawn.


In the wake of Roe v. Wade’s reversal, state legislators (mostly men, needless to say) have been busy trying to make life as unbearable as possible, not just banning abortion but also making it illegal for women (and little girls) to terminate a pregnancy even in cases of rape or incest.

As though having a baby isn’t life-altering enough under the best of circumstances, imagine being raped by a stranger or a family member (incest is rarely consensual) and having to carry the baby for nine months — an incessant reminder of the horror that led to conception.


The recent story of an Ohio girl aged 10, who was raped and became pregnant, brought home the complexities of life in post-Roe America.

Because an abortion ban without exceptions was already in place in her home state, the child was taken to Indiana for the procedure. Now, at least, she can focus all her energies on recovering from the trauma of having been raped.


Ohio is but one of 15 states that have new or forthcoming laws prohibiting abortion without exceptions for rape or incest, even though about 75 percent of Americans support legal abortions in such cases, according to a 2018 Gallup poll.

The other states are Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin, with others likely to follow.

Seven states that ban abortion but do allow abortions in cases of rape include: Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, North Dakota, South Carolina, Utah and Wyoming. All but Mississippi also allow abortions in cases of incest. (Would this be because Mississippi’s gene pool is overstocked with genius? Answers welcome.)


The poor Ohio child, meanwhile, seemed to get lost in her own story after it became an overnight sensation, providing fodder for demagogues on both sides of the abortion issue.

Pro-choice activists didn’t hesitate to use her tale to remind everyone of all the horrors that the Supreme Court hath wrought.

President Biden, who has never met a sad story he couldn’t make sadder, used the child in a July 8 speech on abortion rights.


Some pro-lifers, who apparently cannot stand success, simply doubted the child’s existence, probably because she was already born.

Their argument was that it was way too convenient for a raped child to suddenly materialize just as exception-free antiabortion laws were being hurried into law.

But it seems that Providence not only works in mysterious ways but also allows for coincidence. The abused little girl was (and is) very real……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/23/no-exception-abortion-bans-incest-rape-cruel/

 

[MT15]

This isn’t rare. Happens all the damn time. These couple of cases are just the ones we hear about.

Rapes of sisters, 10 and 13, in Cleveland mirror Columbus case that sparked national debate over Ohio’s abortion law

The case of a 10-year-old Columbus girl who was impregnated during a rape sparked a nationwide debate over Ohio's new, more restrictive, abortion law. Court records show a similar case happened last year in Cleveland.

www.cleveland.com