Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    faceman said:
    I'll never forget what my HS biology teacher said. If a couple doesn't want any more children,the man should get the vas
    He'll recover easily. The woman may need hormone replacement medication for the rest of her life. If there are young guys
    out there reading this, please take this advice .
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    Take a look at this thread, from earlier:

     
    MT15 said:
    I’ve seen this argument several times now. I know it won’t make a difference to this SCOTUS, I fear they are corrupt beyond redemption. But I wonder if it will make a difference in the future.

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    I've always said that the Republican goal of controlling people will ultimately be the end of Christian faith because fascism and Christian faith in the end are incompatible.
     
    DaveXA said:
    I've always said that the Republican goal of controlling people will ultimately be the end of Christian faith because fascism and Christian faith in the end are incompatible.
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    The free will part is what I cannot square. God gave humans free will, Christians are not called to force other people to adhere to their religion, they are called to witness or teach or persuade. It’s completely against Christianity to legislate their religious beliefs, to force other people to comply. This is exactly how Christianity has been twisted before into committing atrocities, and it seems we’re being forced down that path again.
     
    MT15 said:
    I’ve seen this argument several times now. I know it won’t make a difference to this SCOTUS, I fear they are corrupt beyond redemption. But I wonder if it will make a difference in the future.

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    There’s going to be an interesting set of case law applying the First Amendment and RFRA to state abortion laws as they apply in certain situations based on certain religions. I have already seen a textual defense of when an abortion is commanded in Judaism (I believe it is when the mother’s health is threatened).

    I have also already seen “conservatives” argue these beliefs aren’t legitimate. :rolleyes:
     
    Incumbent said:
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    Ok, so we aren’t actually done.

    Others have made the secular argument and you’ve seemed to hint at it with some of your comments - i.e., other means to control people, for example. I was just making clear that I don’t believe there is any well organized secular effort powerful enough in America to deny women their reproductive rights. This one is on Christianity.

    I’ve acknowledged that I don’t hold Christianity as a monolith and I recognize there are churches and sects that aren’t representative of Christianity’s long and repressive history. For whatever reason, those more tolerant and accepting congregations haven’t been a stronger firewall against overreaching religious zealotry, either by choice or inability.

    I’m comfortable in our disagreement. I’m opposed to any religious control of others in any form. It’s simply not important to me to get in the weeds of distilling good Christian / bad Christian, but rather to call out the reality that in America, the fight for liberty still has to be waged, in large part, against religious zealotry.
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    It's a common defense, "that's not my church, that's not my god"... and it is relatively new. As secularism rose from the Age of Reason, Christian churches have tried to sanitize their dogmas and their practices. Surely churches like the Episcopal church ordain gay and lesbian priests; yet, they still are going to hell according to the dogma, and if it weren't for secular laws, many would still be killing gays and stoning cheating wives.

    But, again, as secularism rose, people want to believe that their god is all love, so they rationalize and reinterpret scriptures to put their minds at ease. The irony is that these people are less Christian than those who think gay people are going to hell, or that deny evolution, or believe God knew every single one of us before we were conceived.
     
    SystemShock said:
    It's a common defense, "that's not my church, that's not my god"... and it is relatively new. As secularism rose from the Age of Reason, Christian churches have tried to sanitize their dogmas and their practices. Surely churches like the Episcopal church ordain gay and lesbian priests; yet, they still are going to hell according to the dogma, and if it weren't for secular laws, many would still be killing gays and stoning cheating wives.

    But, again, as secularism rose, people want to believe that their god is all love, so they rationalize and reinterpret scriptures to put their minds at ease. The irony is that these people are less Christian than those who think gay people are going to hell, or that deny evolution, or believe God knew every single one of us before we were conceived.
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    It's not new. But then, that's not unexpected coming from someone who has a hatred of all things religion.
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    Sorry, but not every time…and it ends now….I think you are a good guy but I hate what most of Christianity has turned into and it angers me when folks try and defend it…that’s not to say that you don’t recognize it as well, just that I think it is a way more serious issue….it’s going to potentially lead to the destruction of this democracy, it’s already in full swing….


    QFT….great post….
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    not familiar with the acronym QFT, what does that stand for?
     
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    DaveXA said:
    And the aggravating thing is a lot of those idiots don't have the slightest clue what their religion teaches. Trump is probably the least religious of them all. The only reason he waves the Bible is to get votes. He doesn't believe a thing that book says.
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    Don’t forget money, he does it to get money
     
    You can tell the right-wing talking points being circulated on this decision. The obvious one is 'Democrats had X years to codify Roe and didn't.' It's being parroted non-stop by so many GOP officials and social media trolls. Yet these people like to call themselves critical thinkers...
     
    DaveXA said:
    Typical.
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    As I told you some time ago (3-4 years now?) and find myself repeating it every so often, because of you repeated behavior of walking away with "not the time and place to discuss it" or "I don't want to talk about it", I will not engage you on anything religious unless you address me directly first. And I have kept my word.

    And I think it is fair, upon you engaging me directly, to establish if you are willing to go the distance, or if you are simply going to walk away with "not the time and place" or "I don't want to talk about it".

    I made a statement: As secularism rose from the Age of Reason, Christian churches have tried to sanitize their dogmas and their practices. If you have an argument that rebukes my statement, by all means; "not really" is not an argument.
     

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