Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[DaveXA]

As I told you some time ago (3-4 years now?) and find myself repeating it every so often, because of you repeated behavior of walking away with "not the time and place to discuss it" or "I don't want to talk about it", I will not engage you on anything religious unless you address me directly first. And I have kept my word.

And I think it is fair, upon you engaging me directly, to establish if you are willing to go the distance, or if you are simply going to walk away with "not the time and place" or "I don't want to talk about it".

I made a statement: As secularism rose from the Age of Reason, Christian churches have tried to sanitize their dogmas and their practices. If you have an argument that rebukes my statement, by all means; "not really" is not an argument.

Ok, I stand by what I said. If that's not good enough, so be it.

 

[faceman]

Disagree

Why?

I don’t believe Donald Trump knows a single thing that’s in the Bible

He has divided the country . I may not live long enough to see it corrected. God forbid he wins the 2024 election

 

[DaveXA]

He has divided the country . I may not live long enough to see it corrected. God forbid he wins the 2024 election

That's why I think the Jan 6th commission is really important. It tells us the lengths he went to try and overthrow the government and that the DOJ needs to hold Trump accountable for his action, otherwise we'll see more of these shenanigans from him and possibly others if they think they can get away with what Trump did. Any other country would have hanged him by now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if he gets elected in '24, I'm leaving the country.

 

[SystemShock]

Ok, I stand by what I said. If that's not good enough, so be it.

Then you stand on nothing.

In simple terms, before the Age of Reason, the Bible was 100% fact; after the Age of Reason, with every generation, more and more people move from "100% facts" to anecdotes, fables, re-interpretations, and rewrites with softer language; from Adam and Eve to spare the rod spoil the child.

So, yes really.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if he gets elected in '24, I'm leaving the country.

Wish I could. And I'd do so regardless of who wins in '24. Time to pick a country that doesn't have a broken form of government. It's amazing how stark the difference in politics between here and the UK.

 

[faceman]

It comes down to separation of church and state. This ruling violated it. A very bad decision The justices who voted for the
removal of Roe Vs Wade need to have impeachment charges bought against them.

 

[Eeyore]

The free will part is what I cannot square. God gave humans free will, Christians are not called to force other people to adhere to their religion, they are called to witness or teach or persuade. It’s completely against Christianity to legislate their religious beliefs, to force other people to comply. This is exactly how Christianity has been twisted before into committing atrocities, and it seems we’re being forced down that path again.

If they have read Deuteronomy they might get that idea.

 

[DaveXA]

Then you stand on nothing.

In simple terms, before the Age of Reason, the Bible was 100% fact; after the Age of Reason, with every generation, more and more people move from "100% facts" to anecdotes, fables, re-interpretations, and rewrites with softer language; from Adam and Eve to spare the rod spoil the child.

So, yes really.

You aren't the arbiter of truth. All of that is your opinion. So yeah...

 

[DaveXA]

It comes down to separation of church and state. This ruling violated it. A very bad decision The justices who voted for the
removal of Roe Vs Wade need to have impeachment charges bought against them.

I like how you think, but clearly that won't ever happen.

 

[Eeyore]

 

[MT15]

Freudian slip?

 

[MT15]

This will happen here. It probably already has. In Ireland a young woman died because of this situation.

A US tourist in Malta was refused a life saving abortion. It is the 'hellscape' that's coming with the end of Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood said.

A US citizen was refused a life-saving abortion while on vacation in Malta. The case highlights the danger to women with Roe v Wade being reversed, say campaigners.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[DaveXA]

Freudian slip?

That makes sense. Sounded awful, but I thought she probavly misspoke.

 

[DaveXA]

This will happen here. It probably already has. In Ireland a young woman died because of this situation.

A US tourist in Malta was refused a life saving abortion. It is the 'hellscape' that's coming with the end of Roe v. Wade, Planned Parenthood said.

A US citizen was refused a life-saving abortion while on vacation in Malta. The case highlights the danger to women with Roe v Wade being reversed, say campaigners.

www.businessinsider.com

Does any state outright ban abortions when the life of the mother is at risk?

That said, with reduced abortion access, it probably will be harder in those states banning abortions in most situations. If a lot of clinics are closed, I wonder if hospitals would be able to perform the procedure in emergency situations to save the life of the mother?

 

[Eeyore]

They want to go farther back

 

[SFIDC3]

I do have a question though, why do you bring up the blame secularism bit when I made no mention of it?

Also, as Chuck pointed out, there are mainstream sects of Christianity that don't fit the perception of Christianity you have been going on about. What you and some others are saying strikes me as throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

To take it one step further, I detest organized religion in general. But in this country it’s the self-professed Christian (wack jobs) that will bring it down….simply put ….organized religion has done much more harm than good in this world….

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Ok, so we aren’t actually done.

Others have made the secular argument and you’ve seemed to hint at it with some of your comments - i.e., other means to control people, for example. I was just making clear that I don’t believe there is any well organized secular effort powerful enough in America to deny women their reproductive rights. This one is on Christianity.

I’ve acknowledged that I don’t hold Christianity as a monolith and I recognize there are churches and sects that aren’t representative of Christianity’s long and repressive history. For whatever reason, those more tolerant and accepting congregations haven’t been a stronger firewall against overreaching religious zealotry, either by choice or inability.

I’m comfortable in our disagreement. I’m opposed to any religious control of others in any form. It’s simply not important to me to get in the weeds of distilling good Christian / bad Christian, but rather to call out the reality that in America, the fight for liberty still has to be waged, in large part, against religious zealotry.

Bravo, that last paragraph is so so spot on….

I've always said that the Republican goal of controlling people will ultimately be the end of Christian faith because fascism and Christian faith in the end are incompatible.

Ah, but they are, you can call them not really Christians all you want, but they are taking over the religion and creating a more fascist state as we speak on this message board….you simply can’t deny it and I‘ve said before Dave, if the majority of Christians were like you (rational and reasonable) this country would be a much better place…..but here we are….

 

[DaveXA]

To take it one step further, I detest organized religion in general. But in this country it’s the self-professed Christian (wack jobs) that will bring it down….simply put ….organized religion has done much more harm than good in this world….


Bravo, that last paragraph is so so spot on….



Ah, but they are, you can call them not really Christians all you want, but they are taking over the religion and creating a more fascist state as we speak on this message board….you simply can’t deny it and I‘ve said before Dave, if the majority of Christians were like you (rational and reasonable) this country would be a much better place…..but here we are….

Yeah, I mean, I realize I'm not exactly in the majority, and that's part of why I worry about mixing politics and religion. I'm content with live and let live. The idiots in Congress aren't.

And I hate throwing the baby out with the bathwater and I'm seeing it here. I resent having to pay for actions I never agreed with.

 

[SystemShock]

You aren't the arbiter of truth. All of that is your opinion. So yeah...

I am not the arbiter of truth, but I can recognize truth, a truth that is so obvious, yet you are unwilling to accept it because it goes against your dogma.

And it is not my opinion. It is facts, which again are very obvious, and very simple to prove, even very simple to see on yone's own.

Really, it is a very bad look that you deny that before the Age of Reason, Christians believed the Bible was 100% fact, and after the Age of Reason, with every generation, more and more Christians move from "100% facts" to anecdotes, fables, and re-interpretations. You are even proof of this. You don't believe the Bible is 100% fact, do you?