Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I was thinking there have been rumblings that Thomas is possibly going to be the next justice to retire. I hope he does sooner than later. Good points tho.

Not unless a Republican is in the White House or he drops dead. And whoever he is replaced with will be no older than 50.

 

[DaveXA]

This will probably surprise a lot of people, but I’m in church every Sunday. I serve as a musician and production coordinator for my church, and am one of the higher-level volunteer “leaders”. I know a couple of other pretty far-left liberals in my church, as well as some full on Trumpers, but it’s a pretty good “come as you are” place that tries to unify all sorts of different people on what Christianity is supposed to be about.

I’d say the church that I go to is generally right of center on most issues, but they for the most part stay out of politics entirely, which is right where I want my church to be.

Definitely. That's what I tried to strive for when I was a minister. Politics was off limits in church. The extent of it was I encouraged everyone to do your research on the candidates and vote your conscience.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Wait a damn minute... She had to get her husband's permission for her tubes to be tied? What kind of bullshirt is that?

 

[DaveXA]

Really don't want to turn this thread in another direction - so I'll make a few statements and leave it be:

There was a statement made earlier that this ruling and the abortion issue at large really had nothing to do with religion. That couldn't be further from the truth.
In a country literally founded on moral precepts defined through, primarily, the lens of Christianity - is it truthful to say there is no correlation?

In the Bible, God's literal punishment in the FIRST book of the Bible against Eve was afflicted pain in her reproductive organs for eating from a tree - as well as a declaration that man should rule over her:

Genesis 3:16, "To the woman he [God] said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

And it doesn't stop there. The Bible is chock full of sexist literature - and paints a picture of how women were treated AND simultaneously taken as how they should be treated in some sense throughout history thereafter as a 'higher power' is invoked. Women are largely painted as promiscuous beings who must be reigned in. Sound familiar? It should, because man was the editor. Now of course, thankfully - we've moved off of a lot of these barbaric rituals and lessons - but much of the premise of 'men must control women' influences policy all across the globe to this day.

To think that religion has had nothing or little to do with this ruling is mind-numbingly naive and akin to purposefully ignoring history...Does religion also have nothing to do with the restrictions on women's dress and behavior in Saudi Arabia, for example? Yes, it is all about control. Control that is MASSIVELY influenced by a 'holy' system of control set up by man to enforce pre-existing sexist stereotypes.

I wouldn't say the decision has nothing to do with religion. I do think it has a lot to do with a warped idea of what religion should be though. If there were no religion, that urge to control by man would still be there.

 

[DaveXA]

Yup….it’s been weaponized and there is no going back….



Like I’ve said before Dave, you are a good guy and if there were more Christians like you this country would be a better place….but there aren’t….and Christianity or any other religion has no business in the state/government…..I detest organized religion….I also think you are hopelessly naive as to what is happening right now…..

I like how you insult me every time you speak in my general direction. That's a least the third time you've called me naive. Give it a break already.

 

[DaveXA]

Wait a damn minute... She had to get her husband's permission for her tubes to be tied? What kind of bullshirt is that?

Yeah, that's crazy. I got the vas so that my wife wouldn't need to get her tubes tied (she didn't want the procedure). I hate how poorly a lot of men treat their wives. Ugh.

 

[superchuck500]

I think they flat out lied …..one could argue that it is more nuanced than that….i think that argument falls flat on its face….I wouldn’t trust any of them to be the town dog catcher….and to be completely honest I think it is entirely fair that for every woman who dies as a result of this BS that one of them should….just more than a little angry here….

I’d be happy to agree that they lied but would need to see a transcript. They certainly misled.

Also Sen. Collins staff has said that they think he lied in his private meeting with her.

 

[Incumbent]

I wouldn't say the decision has nothing to do with religion. I do think it has a lot to do with a warped idea of what religion should be though. If there were no religion, that urge to control by man would still be there.

And what I hoped to illustrate is that the warped idea of religion, as you describe it, is nothing new. Examples abound throughout history. So at what point do we say that’s religion and the examples that afford tolerance and liberty are the exception?

And while the means of control isn’t relegated to only religion, it has been a powerful vehicle to accomplish that throughout history. Control, in various forms, certainly seems central to the Abrahamic religions, at least.

 

[MT15]

I don’t think that’s what he was saying.

Maybe one of you could explain it better? What I took from it was that these companies were having these policies so that women wouldn’t have children and they’re doing it from a productivity standpoint. I would think they’re doing it from a standpoint of keeping their workforce happy. And from an equity POV.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I’d be happy to agree that they lied but would need to see a transcript. They certainly misled.

Also Sen. Collins staff has said that they think he lied in his private meeting with her.

Is she that naive in thinking they wouldn't overturn Roe regardless of what they told her? If so, not sure how the woman managed to obtain the position of United States Senator.

 

[superchuck500]

Maybe one of you could explain it better? What I took from it was that these companies were having these policies so that women wouldn’t have children and they’re doing it from a productivity standpoint. I would think they’re doing it from a standpoint of keeping their workforce happy. And from an equity POV.

I thought he was just saying that a company policy to support its female employees by making travel available for abortion services is in the company’s interest because it helps keep those employees at work rather than the child and childcare process. It doesn’t mean that’s why they do it or it’s the only reason they do it or that it somehow means the company is pressuring women to do one or the other.

Some companies have policies that pay the staff’s gym membership or part of it. It’s offered as a perk but the company typically benefits from healthier employees (reduced healthcare costs, less missed work, etc). But it’s not a mandate, just something they offer.

 

[faceman]

UK's Boris Johnson says U.S. abortion decision is a "big step backwards"

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Friday a decision by the Supreme Court to overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that recognised a woman's constitutional right to an abortion was a "big step backwards".

www.reuters.com

I could not agree more.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

UK's Boris Johnson says U.S. abortion decision is a "big step backwards"

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Friday a decision by the Supreme Court to overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that recognised a woman's constitutional right to an abortion was a "big step backwards".

www.reuters.com

I could not agree more.

Pretty much every other Western country's leaders throughout all major political parties are saying the same thing. Another indication that the U.S. is only 'exceptional' in its obsession with guns and religious fundamentalism.

The irony of Trump's disparaging remarks about Haiti is that people need to wake up to the sobering reality that it is actually America that is the "____hole country." Doesn't matter how many flags are waved and hollow displays of nationalism one engages in... the U.S. is rapidly dropping in its world standing.

 

[gummbo]

Yeah, that's crazy. I got the vas so that my wife wouldn't need to get her tubes tied (she didn't want the procedure). I hate how poorly a lot of men treat their wives. Ugh.

Did you have to ask permission before you had the procedure? #Sarcasm

 

[gummbo]

And what I hoped to illustrate is that the warped idea of religion, as you describe it, is nothing new. Examples abound throughout history. So at what point do we say that’s religion and the examples that afford tolerance and liberty are the exception?

And while the means of control isn’t relegated to only religion, it has been a powerful vehicle to accomplish that throughout history. Control, in various forms, certainly seems central to the Abrahamic religions, at least.

As long as a certain group of people put religion ahead of science we will never advance as a society, to deny the fact that religion was invented to keep man or a certain group of people in line to think in a certain way for the benefit of control and financial gain would be a slap in the face to common sense. The minute a person with political aspirations brings religion into his argument that should be an automatic disqualification.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

 

[SFIDC3]

I like how you insult me every time you speak in my general direction. That's a least the third time you've called me naive. Give it a break already.

Sorry, but not every time…and it ends now….I think you are a good guy but I hate what most of Christianity has turned into and it angers me when folks try and defend it…that’s not to say that you don’t recognize it as well, just that I think it is a way more serious issue….it’s going to potentially lead to the destruction of this democracy, it’s already in full swing….

As long as a certain group of people put religion ahead of science we will never advance as a society, to deny the fact that religion was invented to keep man or a certain group of people in line to think in a certain way for the benefit of control and financial gain would be a slap in the face to common sense. The minute a person with political aspirations brings religion into his argument that should be an automatic disqualification.

QFT….great post….

 

[SFIDC3]

MT is different from most red states….Last time I was there we were at a grocery that was next to a dispencary (weed)….I was sitting on a bench waiting for my friends and this really nice guy (Afghan vet) sat down. I told him I was shocked that being a red state that weed was legal (recreational is now legal as well) and he said it is the military vet lobby that made it happen….so many were dying or addicted to opioids and had nothing else to turn to for PTSD and the like….I was like…that is very cool….