Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (6 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[bdb13]

Thomas didn't cite Loving, which allowed interracial marriage partially on the basis of the 14th amendment's Due Process clause. If it is reversed, he better live in a state that allows it, otherwise his marriage will be outlawed. On the other hand, since his wife is a traitor, maybe he would welcome that, because as repugnant as he is, he may not be a traitor.

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He's a religiously motivated forking hypocrite, is what he is.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Not that it would have ultimately changed anything in regards to this, but abortion rights and the threat they were under should have been a large and particular point of emphasis from the Democrats ever since Barrett was put on to the Court and Biden took office.

Yeah it was talked about some.. but it was never effectively and purposely focused on or used as a central rallying point up until all the other shirt failed and this stuff happened.

Sort of a forest for the trees scenario from my perspective.

A part of the problem is many people ignore politics until something drastic happens. Perhaps this is such an event that will send non-participants to the polls.

 

[bdb13]

A part of the problem is many people ignore politics until something drastic happens. Perhaps this is such an event that will send non-participants to the polls.

Democrats didn't make them pay attention to this and use that politically.. is all I'm saying.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Democrats didn't make them pay attention to this and use that politically.. is all I'm saying.

I definitely agree. Under that same rubric is the nomination of Hillary and a lot of the establishment chuckling and thinking 'oh of course she will beat Trump.' There has been a massive campaign to mobilize the right in this country based on social issues and the left and center have ignored it to their detriment.

Hell, there are probably tens of millions of voters who don't even understand how the Supreme Court works.

 

[Incumbent]

Yep, doesnt seem to be much room left in this country for those of us who arent religious zealots .

Seriously, im not sure how you even have a conversation anymore, how you even find common ground when you are someone like myself who is a recovering Catholic, who saw heinous things growing up where the Catholic Church literally ruined young people’s lives… And now i dont buy into any of the religious stuff, i think it‘s all one giant crock of shirt.. and yet you have people making laws based on concepts like ‘heaven’ and ‘hell’ and ‘god’.. i guess they’ll have their own relgious state eventually, and people like myself will be forced to comply and act like we believe, or else find another place to live(?)

Christianity is a fundamental part of America's problem and is in direct conflict with our defining ideals as a nation. Like you, raised in a Christian home, It took me many years to accept that. In a global context, expand that to the other Abrahamic religions, but I'm going to keep my thoughts focused on Christianity due to its longstanding, invasive influence on America.

Christianity requires of its followers that above all, they must answer to God and follow God's law. How could we have ever expected that to truly coexist with the stated American values of liberty, equality, and self-determination? It hasn't and it won't because ultimately, it can't. That's why white, straight, Christian men have dominated control for most of America's history and why everybody else has had to fight to be recognized. Now we see just how fleeting that progress ever really was.

If you only distilled from Christianity a love for all and a desire to help where able, it could be a complementary belief system to our collective pursuit of those lofty American values. It can't be distilled that way, however, because of an archaic, man-written text that defines bigotry, misogyny, and other damaging human instincts as the normal order. It's how a "Christian nation" was established and built on theft, genocide, and slavery. It's why women didn't have the right to vote until 1920. It's why they are losing their right to make reproductive decisions again, now. We live in a "Christian nation" led by "Christian men" that didn't see its way to the grand gesture of the Civil Rights Act until 1965, and many still embrace that underlying hatred that is so tightly woven into America's dark history.

I'm not making the argument that there aren't kind, well-meaning Christians - of course there are - but I've come to realize that distinguishing good and bad among the flock doesn't really matter when Christianity continues to pose such a dangerous threat to realizing a fuller American experience for everybody.

 

[bdb13]

I definitely agree. Under that same rubric is the nomination of Hillary and a lot of the establishment chuckling and thinking 'oh of course she will beat Trump.' There has been a massive campaign to mobilize the right in this country based on social issues and the left and center have ignored it to their detriment.

Hell, there are probably tens of millions of voters who don't even understand how the Supreme Court works.

This was a winning issue with the people and this circumstance has largely been telegraphed since Barrett's appointment to the court.. and it went largely ignored up until the draft opinion came out.

forking dumb assed politicians, I'll tell you..

 

[superchuck500]

Isn't there a difference between unconstitutional and not enumerated in the constitution? I don't think they found Roe to be unconstitutional, so I don't think a law codifying abortion would automatically be considered unconstitutional.

What I mean is that the federal government is limited under the Constitution - Congress can only govern in the enumerated areas of federal interest. All other interests are left to the states. I don’t see how a federal abortion law, either way, falls under those powers, so it’s left to the states.

In other words, I don’t see how abortion, either through a national prohibition or a national protection, falls under an enumerated power.

Congress can, however, act in reference to constitutional rights. The Civil Rights Act, for example, codifies certain protections under the Constitution. But the Court today said the right to abortion is not found in the Constitution - so that doesn’t give a basis for a federal law to protect abortion on a national level.

 

[B4YOU]

We have approximately 500,000 kids in foster care, and there were about 1 million abortions per year. Annually, about 135,000 kids are adopted. Can you imagine what will happen to the foster care system if even 1/4th of those abortions go to term? I think a huge percentage of those 250,000 unwanted births per year will end up in the foster system, so the foster care system will add about 120,000 kids per year, so within 5 years we will have over a million kids in foster care, and soon millions more impoverished families needing support from the state. There will be many more special needs kids born that will be hard to adopt. The foster kids are much more likely to have many problems to include putting their own kids in foster care, which will mean that society will have much more spiraling problems, and that's not even considering the problems from the impoverished families. These implications will be far worse in the red states, so besides the political ramifications, there will be huge societal ramifications particularly in the red states. These problems will start to manifest themselves very quickly as the cost of foster care grows. Red states will eventually realize that abortions of fetuses should be allowed, but the question is how long will that take, and how many people will have to die and suffer before that realization occurs. The human cost will be high in red states.

What the End of Roe v. Wade Would Mean for Foster Youth - NFYI

MEDIA ADVISORY May 4, 2022 Ending safe and legal abortion would have a drastic ripple effect through the child welfare system, impacting foster youth for generations, says National Foster Youth Institute LOS ANGELES (MAY 4, 2022) On Monday night, the leaked draft opinion of Dobbs v. Jackson...

nfyi.org

Give it a couple of years and we will also see spikes in crime in these abortion ban states. I can see by year 15 a new crime wave that mirrors the worst late 80s and early 90s.

 

[superchuck500]

Again, that’s not how it’s going down. A right-wing group in a pro-choice state is going to sue on behalf of an unborn child (don’t worry, they’ll figure out standing), claiming their right to life was deprived without due process and/or a violation of equal protection, violating the 14th amendment.

The conservative court will determine that a fetus has personhood, and thus has the right to life. At that point, any state law that allows abortion is struck down as unconstitutional.

Game over. Nationwide abortion ban.

Yeah that’s possible. Though I think there’s a solid case against that - would need to pull it up.

 

[brandon]

Yeah that’s possible. Though I think there’s a solid case against that - would need to pull it up.

I’d definitely like to see that case.

But I’m also skeptical that this particular Supreme Court would rule in favor of abortion rights when the case is actually in front of them.

 

[coldseat]

There has to be a life of the mother exception. I don't see how a state would manage without that. Is there a state without that provision?

I do recall there are states with old laws on the books that might not have that, but I don't know if they'd tweak it before the law goes back into effect.

Honestly, the "life of the mother" exception is irrelevant if the woman can't go somewhere to actually get an abortion. In states that out right ban abortions, there won't be abortion clinics that a woman would be able to get an abortion in. And you can't get one at a hospital in those states, nor find doctors qualified to preform one.

There are only a few clinics around the US that even perform 3rd trimester abortions for woman who need it for a life saving procedure. And you need to travel to them, if you lucky enough to be able to afford it.

No doubt why our mortality rate during pregnancy is so high compared to other countries.

 

[CrowFlies]

this will have major affect on poor and darker skin women, just like the RW hoped it would.
it will keep women out of the workforce. which apparently is one of the goals.

if frumpy thinks its a good idea you know how insane it is.
meanwhile....women with money can get what they want.
its again the poor women these men must enslave.

 

[CrowFlies]

its a joke even mentioning a "constitution" document from 300yrs?...ago...TODAY regarding this issue.
this is not even remotely close to the place some men wrote this doc over.
we now have 50 diff countries with over 340,000,000 mouths we cant support in any fashion.
not jobs food water space housing...nada.

they didnt plan on climate change loss of water food jobs. did they. anything in the doc on that?
i didnt think so.

this issue has Nada to do with that paper doc. it has to do with today and distracting
people, living people, from life and death issues resulting from weather and lack of.
this is a political game and we are the pieces.

notice how this is all the news....meanwhile, theyve told CA they are nearly out of water.
any LIVE on that news...

 

[DaveXA]

I mean to be fair...what percentage of this board is it actually effecting?

Forcing a woman to have a child or putting them in prison is a draconian act. And it's now reality in the United States of America.

This reads like out of a book from the middle ages. I'm still in shock.

I'm not saying she shouldn't feel that way at all. Just saying that telling her to settle down is kinda like telling my wife she's wrong. It's a futile endeavor. Heh.

The court decision is shocking for a lot of people. It's no doubt a big deal.

 

[DaveXA]

We have approximately 500,000 kids in foster care, and there were about 1 million abortions per year. Annually, about 135,000 kids are adopted. Can you imagine what will happen to the foster care system if even 1/4th of those abortions go to term? I think a huge percentage of those 250,000 unwanted births per year will end up in the foster system, so the foster care system will add about 120,000 kids per year, so within 5 years we will have over a million kids in foster care, and soon millions more impoverished families needing support from the state. There will be many more special needs kids born that will be hard to adopt. The foster kids are much more likely to have many problems to include putting their own kids in foster care, which will mean that society will have much more spiraling problems, and that's not even considering the problems from the impoverished families. These implications will be far worse in the red states, so besides the political ramifications, there will be huge societal ramifications particularly in the red states. These problems will start to manifest themselves very quickly as the cost of foster care grows. Red states will eventually realize that abortions of fetuses should be allowed, but the question is how long will that take, and how many people will have to die and suffer before that realization occurs. The human cost will be high in red states.

What the End of Roe v. Wade Would Mean for Foster Youth - NFYI

MEDIA ADVISORY May 4, 2022 Ending safe and legal abortion would have a drastic ripple effect through the child welfare system, impacting foster youth for generations, says National Foster Youth Institute LOS ANGELES (MAY 4, 2022) On Monday night, the leaked draft opinion of Dobbs v. Jackson...

nfyi.org

Not sure why you quoted my post.

 

[DaveXA]

Christianity is a fundamental part of America's problem and is in direct conflict with our defining ideals as a nation. Like you, raised in a Christian home, It took me many years to accept that. In a global context, expand that to the other Abrahamic religions, but I'm going to keep my thoughts focused on Christianity due to its longstanding, invasive influence on America.

Christianity requires of its followers that above all, they must answer to God and follow God's law. How could we have ever expected that to truly coexist with the stated American values of liberty, equality, and self-determination? It hasn't and it won't because ultimately, it can't. That's why white, straight, Christian men have dominated control for most of America's history and why everybody else has had to fight to be recognized. Now we see just how fleeting that progress ever really was.

If you only distilled from Christianity a love for all and a desire to help where able, it could be a complementary belief system to our collective pursuit of those lofty American values. It can't be distilled that way, however, because of an archaic, man-written text that defines bigotry, misogyny, and other damaging human instincts as the normal order. It's how a "Christian nation" was established and built on theft, genocide, and slavery. It's why women didn't have the right to vote until 1920. It's why they are losing their right to make reproductive decisions again, now. We live in a "Christian nation" led by "Christian men" that didn't see its way to the grand gesture of the Civil Rights Act until 1965, and many still embrace that underlying hatred that is so tightly woven into America's dark history.

I'm not making the argument that there aren't kind, well-meaning Christians - of course there are - but I've come to realize that distinguishing good and bad among the flock doesn't really matter when Christianity continues to pose such a dangerous threat to realizing a fuller American experience for everybody.

Well, I'd just say that the Chritianity you're talking about isn't the Chritianity I know and live.

 

[FullMonte]

its a joke even mentioning a "constitution" document from 300yrs?...ago...TODAY regarding this issue.
this is not even remotely close to the place some men wrote this doc over.
we now have 50 diff countries with over 340,000,000 mouths we cant support in any fashion.
not jobs food water space housing...nada.

they didnt plan on climate change loss of water food jobs. did they. anything in the doc on that?
i didnt think so.

this issue has Nada to do with that paper doc. it has to do with today and distracting
people, living people, from life and death issues resulting from weather and lack of.
this is a political game and we are the pieces.

notice how this is all the news....meanwhile, theyve told CA they are nearly out of water.
any LIVE on that news...

The issue is that the Constitution is not "a document from 300 years ago." It's a living breathing document that has been changed as things change. Technically speaking, the Constitution that exists right now is only 30 years old.

The bigger problem we face is that we have reached such a divide between the two major political parties that the Constitution is unlikely to be changed again (at least until something major changes in our politics). The idea that ANY proposed amendment could reach the threshold required in Congress AND then reach the threshold required by the states is laughable.

 

[Crzycjunx76]

Keep getting angrier, and then crying, and then angrier.

Our backsliding as a nation has been evident for a while, but I have always maintained we could turn it around... that our better selves would prevail and we would.

I just dont know now. My oldest child identifies as they/them but is biologically female. Is attracted to both sexes but got their first number from a boy on the last day of 8th grade.

Today they were told they did not have soverignty over their own body by the Supreme Court, that their place was subservient and beneath that of men who suffer no such violation.

Whats more is the not so subtle wording of that decision left open an assault on their ability to marry who they chose, live as the person they are... even left the possibility that antiquated "sodimy laws" could be reinstated without federal resistance.

Truly this is a dark time we live in, and its not just this... the whole world I am leaving for both my kids is broken and burning.

Our Constitution, its defense of individual rights I hold as my central ideological tennent... is impotent in the face of the evil we have allowed to grow in our world.

Alito and those who sided with his decision are monsters, and I hope history remembers them as such. If it does not it can only mean that we never set things right and my children are doomed to this hell of our creation.