Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

I'm sure it will come as no surprise that most atheist countries are generally more successful in most standard-of-living categories. Then you have places like Japan where the more prominent 'religions' are Shintoism and Buddhism but neither one of those is focused around a deity in the same way as Christianity -- they are more spiritual philosophies than dogmatic practices.

Funny, i just got off the phone with my cousin who is Buddhist, and she and i were talking about how it’s less of a ‘religion’ and more of a ‘lifestyle’.. just curious, besides japan- what are some other Buddhist countries ?

 

[superchuck500]

And just checked Louisiana's 'trigger-law' that now automatically goes into effect is from the moment of fertilization. Lol. State's going to lose a ton of business/convention money.

As well as have difficulty recruiting young women business and industry in the state, as well as in the collegiate and academic spheres.

 

[brandon]

They're already making June 24 a holiday in Texas.

The proximity to Juneteenth is going to be a convenient excuse not to let employees off to celebrate Juneteenth and instead force them to take this abomination of a holiday instead.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Funny, i just got off the phone with my cousin who is Buddhist, and she and i were talking about how it’s less of a ‘religion’ and more of a ‘lifestyle’.. just curious, besides japan- what are some other Buddhist countries ?

This is off topic but most of SEA is Buddhist for example. Not exclusively, but significantly. Tibet is also Buddhist.

As to is Buddism a religion? I don't want to get into a debate but, no it isn't. Buddism is about your mind. Western psychology has moved towards Buddhist practices for that reason.

 

[zztop]

Wrong thread for it but I'd say that's largely debatable as the founders and our laws had a multitude of influences.

ironic people escaping religious persecution back then, now people using religion as a tool to persecute others today

 

[J-DONK]

ironic people escaping religious persecution back then, now people using religion as a tool to persecute others today

It does bring up a interesting talking point. The American population at the time of the country's founding was rabidly anti-Catholic. What would our founders think of the current SC makeup telling a protestant/secular nation what they can do based on their own religious beliefs?

To conservatives on the board, you really don't want to go down the "Christian nation" rabbit hole. It's all one nation to you now, but it wasn't that way after the reformation.

 

[zztop]

I hate this board. I never post here. I don't really get how people talk about such issues in a calm, matter-of-fact way. Like the Ukraine thread on SR.com. You should be forking devastated.

We're trying to abide by the forum's rules. But of course a lot of us are feeling much like you. I don't recognize this country anymore. But it is not a sudden thing. It has been a slow erosion for a decade +

 

[zztop]

It does bring up a interesting talking point. The American population at the time of the country's founding was rabidly anti-Catholic. What would our founders think of the current SC makeup telling a protestant/secular nation what they can do based on their own religious beliefs?

I remember watching speeches/interviews when JFK was running for president, he had to go very hard on vowing to have a separation of church and state. People back then were very wary of a catholic becoming president and he had to go to great lengths to reassure people. Fast forward to today and religious fanatics now control the republican party

 

[brandon]

I don't see how a federal prohibition on abortion can be placed within an enumerated power of Congress.

Again, that’s not how it’s going down. A right-wing group in a pro-choice state is going to sue on behalf of an unborn child (don’t worry, they’ll figure out standing), claiming their right to life was deprived without due process and/or a violation of equal protection, violating the 14th amendment.

The conservative court will determine that a fetus has personhood, and thus has the right to life. At that point, any state law that allows abortion is struck down as unconstitutional.

Game over. Nationwide abortion ban.

 

[DaveXA]

Dave Portnoy went hard at this decision. It will be interesting to see if this turns away younger conservatives who are more socially liberal.

I don't know that it turns them away outright. I suspect they'll be more disillusioned than anything else. Whether that means scrutinizing the candidates more carefully, or voting Democrat/3rd party or dropping out altogether remains to be seen.

 

[DaveXA]

hope you can settle down. breathe.
most dont like this they just go about the day diff than you are at this time.

Telling her to settle down? Good luck with that.

 

[Lapaz]

Yes, I think so. I don't see how a federal prohibition on abortion can be placed within an enumerated power of Congress.

And for that matter, now that the Court has found that there is no constitutional right to abortion, I would think that a federal law protecting abortion would suffer from the same problem.

Isn't there a difference between unconstitutional and not enumerated in the constitution? I don't think they found Roe to be unconstitutional, so I don't think a law codifying abortion would automatically be considered unconstitutional.

 

[bdb13]

Isn't there a difference between unconstitutional and not enumerated in the constitution? I don't think they found Roe to be unconstitutional, so I don't think a law codifying abortion would automatically be considered unconstitutional.

It's only different if you view that it is different. And they don't and so because it was not enumerated it is not Constitutional.

 

[Heathen]

Telling her to settle down? Good luck with that.

I mean to be fair...what percentage of this board is it actually effecting?

Forcing a woman to have a child or putting them in prison is a draconian act. And it's now reality in the United States of America.

This reads like out of a book from the middle ages. I'm still in shock.

 

[Lapaz]

No doubt. Sorta like when the dog finally catches the car...now what?

We have approximately 500,000 kids in foster care, and there were about 1 million abortions per year. Annually, about 135,000 kids are adopted. Can you imagine what will happen to the foster care system if even 1/4th of those abortions go to term? I think a huge percentage of those 250,000 unwanted births per year will end up in the foster system, so the foster care system will add about 120,000 kids per year, so within 5 years we will have over a million kids in foster care, and soon millions more impoverished families needing support from the state. There will be many more special needs kids born that will be hard to adopt. The foster kids are much more likely to have many problems to include putting their own kids in foster care, which will mean that society will have much more spiraling problems, and that's not even considering the problems from the impoverished families. These implications will be far worse in the red states, so besides the political ramifications, there will be huge societal ramifications particularly in the red states. These problems will start to manifest themselves very quickly as the cost of foster care grows. Red states will eventually realize that abortions of fetuses should be allowed, but the question is how long will that take, and how many people will have to die and suffer before that realization occurs. The human cost will be high in red states.

What the End of Roe v. Wade Would Mean for Foster Youth - NFYI

MEDIA ADVISORY May 4, 2022 Ending safe and legal abortion would have a drastic ripple effect through the child welfare system, impacting foster youth for generations, says National Foster Youth Institute LOS ANGELES (MAY 4, 2022) On Monday night, the leaked draft opinion of Dobbs v. Jackson...

nfyi.org

 

[Lapaz]

I really hope Thomas is alone in his thinking about substantive due process. A lot of evil can be done to people without that...

Jumping to the end...

Thomas didn't cite Loving, which allowed interracial marriage partially on the basis of the 14th amendment's Due Process clause. If it is reversed, he better live in a state that allows it, otherwise his marriage will be outlawed. On the other hand, since his wife is a traitor, maybe he would welcome that, because as repugnant as he is, he may not be a traitor.

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bdb13]

Not that it would have ultimately changed anything in regards to this, but abortion rights and the threat they were under should have been a large and particular point of emphasis from the Democrats ever since Barrett was put on to the Court and Biden took office.

Yeah it was talked about some.. but it was never effectively and purposely focused on or used as a central rallying point up until all the other shirt failed and this stuff happened.

Sort of a forest for the trees scenario from my perspective.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Funny, i just got off the phone with my cousin who is Buddhist, and she and i were talking about how it’s less of a ‘religion’ and more of a ‘lifestyle’.. just curious, besides japan- what are some other Buddhist countries ?

It's largely based in Southeast Asia, found a handy Wikipedia chart that breaks it down by country (although it's dated 2010): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_by_country