Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (4 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

... arguing that the Christian faith is no better than the worship of woodland fairy and such?

Is he wrong, though?!!?

 

[MT15]

https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/all-things-lgbtq.142737/page-187#post-362969

We are discussing it now. It seems Colorado really wants to compel a baker to celebrate gay marriage. Come join us in the discussion.

That’s quite the stretch. Providing a cake isn‘t ‘celebrating’. Nor is it ‘supporting’. It is simply providing the service that the baker advertises that he will provide. Nothing more.

This is just a thinly veiled excuse to deny service to people the baker doesn’t like.

 

[MT15]

I have not been wrong on here yet.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[coldseat]

https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/all-things-lgbtq.142737/page-187#post-362969

We are discussing it now. It seems Colorado really wants to compel a baker to celebrate gay marriage. Come join us in the discussion.

Just to be clear, no gay is going to go to a professed homophobe to order their wedding cake.

Still, these fights are worth fighting anyway just so we don't have to put up with the BS of being discriminated against by bigots. The more acceptance, forced or willingly, the faster we can move past the BS and on to a better society with less bigotry. It works every time.

 

[SFIDC3]

Is he wrong, though?!!?

It depends, if the woodland fairy and the like are pedophiles and use the power of their church to coverup and support pedophilia then its just more of the same....

 

[SystemShock]

Just so I am clear, Jesus was all about stoning people for sin?

Sorry for the late reply.

Can you point out the passage in the Bible, OT or NT, or any religious text of the era, where it says "don't stone people, it is immoral"? Or "don't own people, it is immoral"?

And this is not my narrative, but isn't Jesus supposed to be the same being as Yahweh?

And If I believe that than I am morally bankrupt

Obviously, wouldn't you say?

but if I don't believe that then I don't follow the values and morals of my religion? I don't think that is very rational.

But it is rational. You are the one who says you draw your morals from the Bible. Those are the morals spelled out in the Bible. Remember, it is religion that claims objective morality.

So treating each other with respect is, at least in your mind, should be forcibly compelled by the state?

That depends on your usage of respect.
Respect as in admiration? Or respect as avoid interfering with, intruding upon, or not violating? Because the State clearly forcibly compels us to the latter.

St. Thomas was also living in the end time of the 1st crusade, just to shed a little light on the era he was living in.

That's the point, actually.

 

[SystemShock]

Only the religious are against abortion?

Obviously not. Heck, I am against abortion too. The difference is on how I approach it: I want women empowered to control their bodies so they don't get to the point they need abortions unless their health and lives are threaten, not enact laws that will control their bodies for them, and in many cases, harm them, because of a belief not founded on science.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Obviously not. Heck, I am against abortion too. The difference is on how I approach it: I want women empowered to control their bodies so they don't get to the point they need abortions unless their health and lives are threaten, not enact laws that will control their bodies for them, and in many cases, harm them, because of a belief not founded on science.

Some people have a hard time understanding the concept of just because you are pro choice, does not equal pro abortion. Some people live their lives one way or the other with no in between, which is a VERY SAD way to live your life.

 

[Optimus Prime]

In Nebraska, a total abortion ban could be on the horizon. In Florida, the gestational limit for abortions could drop from 15 weeks to 12. Elsewhere, lawmakers have abortion pills in their sights.

When Roe v Wade fell, most states were no longer in legislative session, meaning the term during which they usually write and pass bills had ended.

In January, state legislatures will reconvene in an entirely new reality, one where conservative lawmakers are no longer constrained by the constitutional right to abortion once assured by Roe.

The midterm elections brought victories for abortion rights in a number of states. But in others, politics are on the side of anti-abortion advocates. In those reddest of states, the new state legislative sessions are likely to bring a fresh onslaught of efforts to restrict, penalize or altogether ban abortion.

Katie Glenn, the state policy director at Susan B Anthony Pro-Life America, confirms the group’s top priority in 2023 will be reducing the gestational age for legal abortion, alongside bringing new outright bans. Abortion is currently banned in 13 states.

Exactly how restrictive those bans will be remains to be seen, with conservatives across the country embroiled in conflicts over which exceptions – if any – should be allowed for abortion. “Exceptions in the case of rape and incest, we realise, are sometimes a necessary political reality. And we would not block a bill or oppose a bill that would prevent 95% of abortions,” explains Glenn.

In some states, anti-abortion advocates previously stymied by Democrats now have room to maneuver since the midterms, which brought some conservative wins. In 2022, progressive members of Nebraska’s legislature filibustered a ban proposed by Republicans, effectively killing it. But lawmakers say that the party no longer has the votes to block an abortion ban.

Meanwhile, in states where abortion bans have been mired in lengthy court proceedings, Republican majorities could pass more stringent laws when the session starts……

Onslaught of new abortion restrictions looms in reddest of states

New state legislative sessions likely to bring fresh efforts to restrict, penalize or altogether ban the procedure

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Some people have a hard time understanding the concept of just because you are pro choice, does not equal pro abortion. Some people live their lives one way or the other with no in between, which is a VERY SAD way to live your life.

It’s part of the false narrative being pushed by forced birth folks. Along with the mythical 9th month abortion of a healthy baby, and the myth that the majority of abortions are done for ”convenience”.

It‘s a malignant narrative that dehumanizes ordinary women and devalues their lives. All while ignoring the facts that these people don’t care if some women die because of their willingness to exert control over women. And that they look the other way when their allies murder a doctor while attending his church, send anthrax to a medical climic or fire bomb medical facilities.

Nobody actually likes abortion. They only want to be left alone and to be allowed to make their own decisions about their own bodies. Free will. Promised to all by their religion.

and yes, the vast, vast majority of folks who want to deny women the right to control their own bodies are doing it because of religious zealotry. It’s just a fact.

 

[coldseat]

Some people have a hard time understanding the concept of just because you are pro choice, does not equal pro abortion. Some people live their lives one way or the other with no in between, which is a VERY SAD way to live your life.

Those same people also don't understand the concept that just because somebody says they're pro-life, it doesn't mean they won't be pro abortion when the situation calls for it.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Those same people also don't understand the concept that just because somebody says they're pro-life, it doesn't mean they won't be pro abortion when the situation calls for it.

the word Pro-Life is the biggest lie they tell themselves. They are anti-abortion. They could care less about the life onces its born..

 

[Farb]

Then why do you keep claiming you're being compelled to celebrate things when you know you aren't?

Have I said that I am being forced to bake a cake or create a wedding registery? If I have, then I was mistaken. I have not been made by the state to celebrate anything yet.

 

[Farb]

Is he wrong, though?!!?

Yes, he is.

 

[Farb]

That’s quite the stretch. Providing a cake isn‘t ‘celebrating’. Nor is it ‘supporting’. It is simply providing the service that the baker advertises that he will provide. Nothing more.

This is just a thinly veiled excuse to deny service to people the baker doesn’t like.

No, not really. Creating art for an event is celebrating it. What is art, no idea, and no government body can define art either, so that will be the wavy line I was discussing. Now, removing all laws against discriminations will open the free market but then the state would lose power it has already gained and we all know the state surrenders power. Dont' we?

 

[Farb]

It depends, if the woodland fairy and the like are pedophiles and use the power of their church to coverup and support pedophilia then its just more of the same....

Yep. Groomers are groomers and the groomers infiltrated the church and it took a lot of sunlight from outside sources to finally cripple that evil. Now I hope the same sunlight will also be shined on the infiltration of our public school system in this country. Here to hoping since they have seemed to have infiltrated local, state and federal governments.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

No, not really. Creating art for an event is celebrating it. What is art, no idea, and no government body can define art either, so that will be the wavy line I was discussing. Now, removing all laws against discriminations will open the free market but then the state would lose power it has already gained and we all know the state surrenders power. Dont' we?

If you can't define art, how are you claiming that the baker is creating art? Is the caterer creating art or just providing food?

 

[MT15]

Yep. Groomers are groomers and the groomers infiltrated the church and it took a lot of sunlight from outside sources to finally cripple that evil. Now I hope the same sunlight will also be shined on the infiltration of our public school system in this country. Here to hoping since they have seemed to have infiltrated local, state and federal governments.

This is just QAnon nonsense.