Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Estefanía thought she was making an appointment to get an abortion.

Fearing she might be pregnant after a missed period, she typed "abortion pill near me" into Google and went to the first clinic that came up on the web page. When she got to The Keim Center in Virginia Beach, it didn't look or smell like a medical clinic — it was too nice, too inviting.

After speaking with an employee who asked what search phrase she used to find the clinic, she was placed in a consultation room and advised not to use her phone. The room didn't have any medical equipment, not even an ultrasound machine — something she was sure she'd be having.

"It looked like they were sitting me down for tea," said Estefanía, who asked Insider to only be identified by her first name.

Unbeknownst to her, Estefanía had walked into one of the more than 2,500 crisis pregnancy centers, or CPCs, in the US.

Their goal? To deter women who want abortions from obtaining them.

A woman who wasn't a medical professional then entered the room and began asking Estefanía personal questions about her relationship, like whether or not she planned to marry her boyfriend. She then advised Estefanía to make a pros and cons list about having an abortion.

Any time the 26-year-old told the employee her reasoning for not wanting a child, she was met with pushback. Those counter arguments became stronger when Estefanía's boyfriend entered the room.

"She kept referring to it as a baby," she said. "I think at that point it didn't do anything but make me feel a little worse about myself."

After the back-and-forth, a nurse walked in and confirmed Estefanía was pregnant after reviewing her urine sample. It was too early for her to have an ultrasound, the nurse explained to her, and the clinic would not provide an abortion or make referrals.

"I remember immediately being like, what is this then?" she said. "If you're not telling me how to get an abortion, then what am I doing here? What can you give me?"

There are more than three CPCs for every abortion clinic in the US. Many of them are supported by national anti-abortion organizations, like CareNet and the National Institute of Family and Life Advocates, that provide CPCs with everything from client materials to legal advice.

Anti-abortion activist Robert Pearson is credited as the reason why CPCs are so widespread. Pearson opened one of the first CPCs in the 1980s and wrote a manual on how pro-life groups could start their own centers.

The manual contains scripted answers to questions like "do you do abortions there?" and arguments to use against women who say "they have the

to control their own body."

Pearson also suggested CPCs establish themselves near abortion clinics. Some CPCs in the US will even use nearly identical names and building signs as clinics nearby to create confusion.

Some centers also identify by two names, following Pearson's advice.

The Keim Centers, which Estefanía went to, is run by a nonprofit called the Crisis Pregnancy Center of Tidewater whose website is upfront about the organization's anti-abortion and religious views — unlike the one Estefanía found, which makes no religious references. The Keim Centers did not respond to Insider's request for comment.

To get women to come to a center, Pearson advised placing ads in newspapers for free pregnancy tests that looked exactly like ads for abortion clinics. These days, CPCs use digital ads that show up in searches for things like "abortion pill" or "abortion information" in order to appear like clinics.

Attempts have been made for decades to regulate CPCs' tactics to get women to unwittingly enter their doors................

A woman who mistakenly visited an anti-abortion crisis pregnancy center said she was met with pushback for seeking an abortion: 'I just was not ready, and words can't make you ready for that'

 

[Farb]

No, it won’t. What will though are multiple cases where people like you are trying to force other people to live by your religious rules. You guys are all about it right now.

Ok. Let us make a bet. I will even predict the state that the case will come from. Care to take me up on it?

 

[Farb]

That sounds good, but we know the real reason why the SC pushed back abortion to the States, and that reason is giving red States the ability to ban abortions for residents of that State, and not because it makes sense constitutionally. And that decision was based on religious zealousness and interpretation of a religious book.

Only the religious are against abortion?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Only the religious are against abortion?

they pretend to be, unitl they want one..

 

[Farb]

they pretend to be, unitl they want one..

Well, I know that to be false in at least one case.

 

[Farb]

Teh gubmint, with force. Religion is a protected class.

True, the government does compel it's citizens to celebrate something that they might not want to celebrate. That seem like an governmental over reach on a free society to me.

 

[SaintForLife]

I eagerly await all those right wing pundits who called for Sotomayor to resign (when they suspected, with no actual evidence, she leaked Dobbs) to chime right in and call for Alito to resign.

I’m sure they’ll be along any minute now.

That article is based on the word of one guy right? This guy? He sounds like a liar

 

[MT15]

Ok. Let us make a bet. I will even predict the state that the case will come from. Care to take me up on it?

You need to spell out exactly what you think will happen as I don’t trust you to admit you were wrong. You have never done it before so why would I make a bet with someone who would never admit they lost even when they do lose?

 

[Taurus]

True, the government does compel it's citizens to celebrate something that they might not want to celebrate. That seem like an governmental over reach on a free society to me.

celebrate=/=tolerate

Something government does all the time. I have to tolerate Christians, Christians have to tolerate my nonbelieving arse, Jews can't just go murder Nazis and the reverse is true. Saints fans have to tolerate the Falcons. The list is endless. But you know that and your post is just trolling.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

True, the government does compel it's citizens to celebrate something that they might not want to celebrate. That seem like an governmental over reach on a free society to me.

They do? Can you give an example?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

They do? Can you give an example?

I think he means the pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter that the Christians pretend is theirs..
at least the Jehovah's Witness admit that all those holidays are pagan in origin..

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I think he means the pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter that the Christians pretend is theirs..
at least the Jehovah's Witness admit that all those holidays are pagan in origin..

I assume he does, yeah. Just trying to figure out how he makes the leap from "government holiday" to "compulsory celebration".

 

[Farb]

celebrate=/=tolerate

Something government does all the time. I have to tolerate Christians, Christians have to tolerate my nonbelieving arse, Jews can't just go murder Nazis and the reverse is true. Saints fans have to tolerate the Falcons. The list is endless. But you know that and your post is just trolling.

Celebration is not the same as toleration. At all. Toleration is the cornerstone to the American way of life. Compulsion to celebrate is not.

 

[Farb]

They do? Can you give an example?

https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/all-things-lgbtq.142737/page-187#post-362969

We are discussing it now. It seems Colorado really wants to compel a baker to celebrate gay marriage. Come join us in the discussion.

 

[Farb]

I think he means the pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter that the Christians pretend is theirs..
at least the Jehovah's Witness admit that all those holidays are pagan in origin..

Any day that a prior religion/sect/civilization/culture used cannot be reused in the future by any other? Is that your argument or is this a passive aggressive way of arguing that the Christian faith is no better than the worship of woodland fairy and such?
I get called a troll a lot on here, so surely no one else can be guilty, am I right? LOL

 

[Farb]

You need to spell out exactly what you think will happen as I don’t trust you to admit you were wrong. You have never done it before so why would I make a bet with someone who would never admit they lost even when they do lose?

I have not been wrong on here yet.

 

[Taurus]

Celebration is not the same as toleration. At all. Toleration is the cornerstone to the American way of life. Compulsion to celebrate is not.

Then why do you keep claiming you're being compelled to celebrate things when you know you aren't?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/all-things-lgbtq.142737/page-187#post-362969

We are discussing it now. It seems Colorado really wants to compel a baker to celebrate gay marriage. Come join us in the discussion.

Laws preventing discrimination in public accommodations do not force people to celebrate anything. A bigoted baker is free to tell the happy couple that their marriage is a sham and they're going to burn in hell all they want as they deliver the cake, just as a homophobic hotelier is free to hurl slurs at them as they sign the paperwork to rent the ballroom. No law is demanding celebration, only nondiscrimination.