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    Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
    He is getting up there in age.
    Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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    WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
    IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER? :unsure:
     
    Thank you. Others are silently glad and some were openly glad. Did you notice that?
    I can participate in the tennis thread quite nicely. Everyone on the Saints EE Tennis thread focuses on tennis and we all have fun commenting equally. IF it was like that HERE I would be so happy. I would like to be just another poster and participate in a fun manner. Unfortunately this is not a tennis thread and SOME people have so many demanding questions that I MUST answer 😂
     
    I can participate in the tennis thread quite nicely. Everyone on the Saints EE Tennis thread focuses on tennis and we all have fun commenting equally. IF it was like that HERE I would be so happy. I would like to be just another poster and participate in a fun manner. Unfortunately this is not a tennis thread and SOME people have so many demanding questions that I MUST answer 😂
    @DaveXA....you are on that Tennis thread with me.
    Will you concede that I participate in a friendly and normal manner?
    I'm just one of many co equal posters who have fun focusing on tennis.
    Is there anything I just said that is not true?
     
    I can participate in the tennis thread quite nicely. Everyone on the Saints EE Tennis thread focuses on tennis and we all have fun commenting equally. IF it was like that HERE I would be so happy. I would like to be just another poster and participate in a fun manner. Unfortunately this is not a tennis thread and SOME people have so many demanding questions that I MUST answer 😂
    Eh, it's not about demanding answers. It's about having an exchange of ideas. If you feel like you can't answer a question or don't want to, just say so instead of making excuses. It's really not that hard.
     
    @DaveXA....you are on that Tennis thread with me.
    Will you concede that I participate in a friendly and normal manner?
    I'm just one of many co equal posters who have fun focusing on tennis.
    Is there anything I just said that is not true?
    Sure you do. Generally speaking, you're friendly enough and that's fine. Heck, we can debate tennis players and who's the best in a generation and what not. People aren't questioning whether you're a good guy or whatever. What's mainly being questioned is a refusal to directly respond to a few specific questions. Like I stated, it would feel a lot more authentic if you said something like "I can't answer that" or "I don't have time right now but I'll answer when I can". Most everyone here has jobs and what not, so we all understand you won't be able to respond to every post right away. Be yourself and be authentic and most here will respect that.
     
    Now ends our summer of discontent. Nearly half of Democrats fretfully tell pollsters that President Biden is “too old”. Fifty-eight per cent of all Americans, including 30% of Democrats, do not approve of his handling of the economy. Twenty-one per cent of Democrats rate him unfavorably. If these discontented were to change their opinion, his favorability would be near or above 50%. Depressed Democrats hold down his standing.

    Biden returns from the G20 economic conference in India triumphant, conducting complex diplomacy edging out China, and heralding a host of deliverables, notably a deal to build a rail and shipping network from India to Europe and the Middle East, running through Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel, a “game-changing regional investment”, he declares.

    He follows with an unprecedented pact with Vietnam as a strategic partner. Then at his press conference he wanders into a monologue about a John Wayne western and one of Biden’s favored expressions, “a lying dog-faced pony soldier”, to refer to disbelievers in the climate crisis.

    Biden gets no credit for his accomplishments. The Axios newsletter reports that he and Trump “are running dueling basement campaigns that make them look like they are in the witness protection program”. Actual events and policies are dismissed. The formulaic repetition of false equivalence, put forward as “balance”, prevails as conventional wisdom.

    All summer, the Biden administration touts his extraordinary achievements – his infrastructure bill, his Inflation Reduction Act, his Chips and Science Act. Political action committees launch a $13m advertising campaign documenting the revival of manufacturing.

    Yet the poll numbers are unmoved. “These are DARK DAYS in the life of America!” posts Donald Trump on his Truth Social account. He is more or less even with Biden. With every indictment, he rises further above his inconsequential rivals for the Republican nomination.

    On their panoply of “weaponization” committees of the House of Representatives, Republicans play Inspector Clouseau as Javert, pursuing Biden as the diabolic boss of a crime family, his son Hunter Biden and his peccadilloes an instrument for prying the door to reveal the hidden Godfather. The fantasy gangster, Trump’s doppelganger, distracts from the indicted one.

    On Fox News, Biden is also the enfeebled, doddering and senile fool on his last legs. Which is the ruse? Fifty-five per cent of Republicans in swing House districts believe Biden should be impeached even if there is “no evidence”.

    The poll did not offer the category of spectral evidence that was accepted in the Salem witch trials. Under pressure from the far-right House caucus that holds the Sword of Damocles over his head, speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the opening of an impeachment panel to conjure the works of the devil’s magic.

    But it is the Democrats who pull Biden underwater. They see his physical faults and shudder at his political fall. He is 80, his hair thinned, his gait slower and more careful. He is not eloquent. The slight hesitation of the stutter he overcame as a child seems occasionally to return. He is not Mick Jagger strutting at 80. The intensity of concern among Democrats about Biden is in direct proportion to their panic about Trump. They see in his fragility their own predicament. He is the screen on which they project their anxiety, insecurity and fear. They suffer from a crisis of bad nerves.

    The Democrats’ withholding creates a self-fulfilling prophesy. Spooked by the shadow of Trump, they react with disapproval of Biden, whose numbers are stagnant, flashing the sign that makes them more frightened. They do not censure Biden or dislike him. But they hope for a counter-factual scenario. There is none.

    Asked to name a specific person they would prefer to Biden, 18% of Democrats replied with a scattering of names. Bernie Sanders, 82, received the highest support at 3%. Sanders, who has twice run for the nomination, this time has early endorsed Biden. It has taken the democratic socialist to remind that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.……

    Biden’s judgment is not attributable to an abstract and amorphous category called “experience”, but rather particular concrete experiences, beyond bearing the weight of his unimaginable personal tragedies. His defeats and missteps, slights and belittlement, have accumulated on to the years of committee chairmanships, a lifetime in the Senate like no other president since Lyndon Johnson and the whole range of being vice-president involved in every major decision of the executive during the Obama administration.

    In the Senate, Biden surrounded himself with the most talented staff. He was not that insecure. As president, at the head of a vast government, his cabinet is an array of highly effective people. There has not been a single major scandal among them after the most corrupt administration in American history. The paradox of Biden’s poll numbers among Democrats is that there is no complaint about how he runs the government.

    The further paradox is that there is no movement to supplant Biden. There is no faction of the party that seeks to remove him. There is no group within the Congress that seeks to topple him. There is no credible person running against him or contemplating a campaign against him. There is no king across the sea. There is no Bonnie Prince Charlie ready to invade. There are no pretenders to the throne. There is none of that. The poll numbers as a party matter are hollow.……..


     
    Now ends our summer of discontent. Nearly half of Democrats fretfully tell pollsters that President Biden is “too old”. Fifty-eight per cent of all Americans, including 30% of Democrats, do not approve of his handling of the economy. Twenty-one per cent of Democrats rate him unfavorably. If these discontented were to change their opinion, his favorability would be near or above 50%. Depressed Democrats hold down his standing.

    Biden returns from the G20 economic conference in India triumphant, conducting complex diplomacy edging out China, and heralding a host of deliverables, notably a deal to build a rail and shipping network from India to Europe and the Middle East, running through Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel, a “game-changing regional investment”, he declares.

    He follows with an unprecedented pact with Vietnam as a strategic partner. Then at his press conference he wanders into a monologue about a John Wayne western and one of Biden’s favored expressions, “a lying dog-faced pony soldier”, to refer to disbelievers in the climate crisis.

    Biden gets no credit for his accomplishments. The Axios newsletter reports that he and Trump “are running dueling basement campaigns that make them look like they are in the witness protection program”. Actual events and policies are dismissed. The formulaic repetition of false equivalence, put forward as “balance”, prevails as conventional wisdom.

    All summer, the Biden administration touts his extraordinary achievements – his infrastructure bill, his Inflation Reduction Act, his Chips and Science Act. Political action committees launch a $13m advertising campaign documenting the revival of manufacturing.

    Yet the poll numbers are unmoved. “These are DARK DAYS in the life of America!” posts Donald Trump on his Truth Social account. He is more or less even with Biden. With every indictment, he rises further above his inconsequential rivals for the Republican nomination.

    On their panoply of “weaponization” committees of the House of Representatives, Republicans play Inspector Clouseau as Javert, pursuing Biden as the diabolic boss of a crime family, his son Hunter Biden and his peccadilloes an instrument for prying the door to reveal the hidden Godfather. The fantasy gangster, Trump’s doppelganger, distracts from the indicted one.

    On Fox News, Biden is also the enfeebled, doddering and senile fool on his last legs. Which is the ruse? Fifty-five per cent of Republicans in swing House districts believe Biden should be impeached even if there is “no evidence”.

    The poll did not offer the category of spectral evidence that was accepted in the Salem witch trials. Under pressure from the far-right House caucus that holds the Sword of Damocles over his head, speaker Kevin McCarthy announced the opening of an impeachment panel to conjure the works of the devil’s magic.

    But it is the Democrats who pull Biden underwater. They see his physical faults and shudder at his political fall. He is 80, his hair thinned, his gait slower and more careful. He is not eloquent. The slight hesitation of the stutter he overcame as a child seems occasionally to return. He is not Mick Jagger strutting at 80. The intensity of concern among Democrats about Biden is in direct proportion to their panic about Trump. They see in his fragility their own predicament. He is the screen on which they project their anxiety, insecurity and fear. They suffer from a crisis of bad nerves.

    The Democrats’ withholding creates a self-fulfilling prophesy. Spooked by the shadow of Trump, they react with disapproval of Biden, whose numbers are stagnant, flashing the sign that makes them more frightened. They do not censure Biden or dislike him. But they hope for a counter-factual scenario. There is none.

    Asked to name a specific person they would prefer to Biden, 18% of Democrats replied with a scattering of names. Bernie Sanders, 82, received the highest support at 3%. Sanders, who has twice run for the nomination, this time has early endorsed Biden. It has taken the democratic socialist to remind that the perfect should not be the enemy of the good.……

    Biden’s judgment is not attributable to an abstract and amorphous category called “experience”, but rather particular concrete experiences, beyond bearing the weight of his unimaginable personal tragedies. His defeats and missteps, slights and belittlement, have accumulated on to the years of committee chairmanships, a lifetime in the Senate like no other president since Lyndon Johnson and the whole range of being vice-president involved in every major decision of the executive during the Obama administration.

    In the Senate, Biden surrounded himself with the most talented staff. He was not that insecure. As president, at the head of a vast government, his cabinet is an array of highly effective people. There has not been a single major scandal among them after the most corrupt administration in American history. The paradox of Biden’s poll numbers among Democrats is that there is no complaint about how he runs the government.

    The further paradox is that there is no movement to supplant Biden. There is no faction of the party that seeks to remove him. There is no group within the Congress that seeks to topple him. There is no credible person running against him or contemplating a campaign against him. There is no king across the sea. There is no Bonnie Prince Charlie ready to invade. There are no pretenders to the throne. There is none of that. The poll numbers as a party matter are hollow.……..


    I find this somewhat encouraging, because I'm confident that enough of the Democrats who are discontent with Biden are still going to vote and they will vote for Biden to vote against Trump.

    I'm one of those voters. Even if the Democrats end electing a chimpanzee as their nominee, I'm voting for that chimpanzee to keep Trump and his fascist Republican followers from seizing the presidency.
     
    I find this somewhat encouraging, because I'm confident that enough of the Democrats who are discontent with Biden are still going to vote and they will vote for Biden to vote against Trump.

    I'm one of those voters. Even if the Democrats end electing a chimpanzee as their nominee, I'm voting for that chimpanzee to keep Trump and his fascist Republican followers from seizing the presidency.

    I don't.....the Dems are their own worst enemy....Biden should get way more credit for the job he is doing and the Dem leadership should be trumpeting this much more often and much louder......

    The R party is intent on destroying itself with utter culty lunatics in power and this is the Dems chance to really take advantage of that.....I get that we all want a younger Dem to come to the table but it appears it isn't going to happen.....so folks need to get behind "sane" leadership and Biden has proven to be not just sane but pretty effective....
     
    This is in the middle of Biden's trip to the G20 in India and then to Vietnam with the purpose of building a coalition against China's aggression. And a few weeks ago, standing next to leaders from S. Korea and Japan, Biden and the leaders proclaim unity against China. Remember these two nations are still bitter about Japan's atrocity in WWII.

    But yeah, let's question Biden's leadership.
    The G20 is over multiple days and 10 hour days. In public. On camera. The whole time.

    If he would have shut his eyes for even a few seconds to rest them; there would have been viral memes of him asleep and Hannity would do another unfunny bedtime for Joe schtick. The Five would have a "for serious guy's this was scientifical' poll about how senile he is.

    But nothing. Not a peep.

    Plenty of quality sound bites from the President however.
     
    I don't.....the Dems are their own worst enemy....Biden should get way more credit for the job he is doing and the Dem leadership should be trumpeting this much more often and much louder......
    I frequently hear people say Dems are their own worst enemy, but I don't see it. The way I see it the Dems don't enforce that everyone be in lock step with each other like the Republicans used to do and are currently trying to do. I think that's a good thing, though it does cause the Democratic party to not be as monolithic in their voting and messaging as the Republican party is. To me, that's why people see the Democratic party as it's own worst enemy. I see that as a good thing that makes our society healthier and stronger.

    If both the Democratic and Republican parties were monoliths, we would no longer have a representative democracy.

    The R party is intent on destroying itself with utter culty lunatics in power and this is the Dems chance to really take advantage of that
    Specifically how are they supposed to take advantage of that? What are they specifically supposed to be doing that they are not doing? What should they specifically stop doing? What should they specifically do differently?

    .....I get that we all want a younger Dem to come to the table but it appears it isn't going to happen
    I don't have any problems with Biden's age and if he's the nominee, which will be entirely up to him, then I'm voting for him without hesitation.

    .....so folks need to get behind "sane" leadership and Biden has proven to be not just sane but pretty effective....
    I completely agree.
     
    Joe Biden launched his candidacy for president in 2019 with the words “we are in the battle for the soul of this nation.”

    He was right. And though it wasn’t obvious at first to many Democrats, he was the best person to wage that fight. He was a genial but also shrewd campaigner for the restoration of what legislators call “regular order.”


    Since then, Biden has had a remarkable string of wins. He defeated President Donald Trump in the 2020 election; he led a Democratic rebuff of Trump’s acolytes in the 2022 midterms; his Justice Department has systematically prosecuted the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection that Trump championed and, now, through special counsel Jack Smith, the department is bringing Trump himself to justice.


    What I admire most about President Biden is that in a polarized nation, he has governed from the center out, as he promised in his victory speech.

    With an unexpectedly steady hand, he passed some of the most important domestic legislation in recent decades. In foreign policy, he managed the delicate balance of helping Ukraine fight Russia without getting America itself into a war. In sum, he has been a successful and effective president.

    But I don’t think Biden and Vice President Harris should run for reelection. It’s painful to say that, given my admiration for much of what they have accomplished. But if he and Harris campaign together in 2024, I think Biden risks undoing his greatest achievement — which was stopping Trump.


    Biden wrote his political testament in his inaugural address: “When our days are through, our children and our children’s children will say of us: They gave their best, they did their duty, they healed a broken land.” Mr. President, maybe this is that moment when duty has been served…….

     
    I frequently hear people say Dems are their own worst enemy, but I don't see it. The way I see it the Dems don't enforce that everyone be in lock step with each other like the Republicans used to do and are currently trying to do. I think that's a good thing, though it does cause the Democratic party to not be as monolithic in their voting and messaging as the Republican party is. To me, that's why people see the Democratic party as it's own worst enemy. I see that as a good thing that makes our society healthier and stronger.

    If both the Democratic and Republican parties were monoliths, we would no longer have a representative democracy.

    the article posted below by Prime illustrates exactly why.....there are so many Dems that don't want Biden even running and he is clearly going to be the candidate. I get it that everyone wants a younger candidate, and would totally get it if Biden were fumbling around and ineffective and his age was clearly hampering his ability to lead.....BUT that is clearly not the case. I agree in principle on the healthier and stronger comment IF there were 2 parties that operated that way......but there aren't.....

    If both the Democratic and Republican parties were monoliths, we would no longer have a representative democracy.

    We are close to getting there now, to me it isn't even so much about policy, it's about "sane" leadership.....one side of the aisle is incapable of providing it.....

    Specifically how are they supposed to take advantage of that? What are they specifically supposed to be doing that they are not doing? What should they specifically stop doing? What should they specifically do differently?

    Trumpeting very loudly the truth, Biden's accomplishments have helped, he has done a great job and deserves another 4 years.....instead of article after article about how Biden has been a good "gatekeeper" and he did a great job "stopping Trump".....It's an idiotic viewpoint, the R's and Trump types will keep coming, the job is not done and right now the best option is Biden and Dems need to get behind that.....

    I don't have any problems with Biden's age and if he's the nominee, which will be entirely up to him, then I'm voting for him without hesitation.

    Nor do I and so will I. There is no indication that I've heard that he is not going to be the nominee and all evidence points to him running again so I'm not sure why you wouldn't think he is not going to be the nominee....
     
    The calls for President Biden not to run again in 2024 continue. On that score, I am exactly where I was last November, when I welcomed him to the ranks of America’s octogenarians.


    I would love to have a President Biden continue in the White House handling the country’s business and an elder-statesman Biden on the back porch telling stories and occasionally doling out advice to the rising generation of leaders behind him. But I can’t have it both ways. And it’s Biden’s call to make.


    In my book, whether it’s restoring the business of governing after the helter-skelter, unethical Trump era or dealing with tough economic realities or restoring this country’s role in the world, Biden has earned another term in office.

    It would be a shame if Biden were forced to capitulate to the insidious blandishments of ageism, which the American Psychological Association calls one of the last socially acceptable prejudices in the United States. It certainly is among the most intentionally vocalized prejudices…….

    There’s been talk of dropping tried-and-trusted Vice President Harris from the Democratic ticket to strengthen the general-election slate. Do that and kiss the White House goodbye.

    Has Harris made the best use of the vice presidency on behalf of issues and interests important to the Democratic base?

    As much as Biden’s senior staff has allowed and her hand-me-down staff has tolerated. But Harris has traction with the party’s most loyal constituency: voters of color. Show Harris the door and watch how many walk out behind her.
Consider where we were more than three years ago.

    Together, Biden and Harris have accomplished much. If that won’t do, consider the alternatives…….

     
    Harris is very popular among the young voters.

    A source familiar with the campaign pushed back against any criticism of Harris, highlighting that a Wednesday fundraising email she signed slamming the impeachment inquiry was the most successful so far and grew the campaign’s active email list by 700,000 addresses.

    “I think President Biden is the face of the Biden administration for sure,” Hampton student Shavonne Hines-Foster said, “but I think a lot of people like to see Vice President Harris and her engagement with youth.”

     
    Harris is very popular among the young voters.



    The only chatter less productive than arguing that President Biden shouldn’t run (he is running) is the new spate of “replace Vice President Harris” talk.

    Besides its futility (Biden has emphatically said she is on the ticket, and the campaign has begun), the critics make three glaring errors.


    First, Harris is critical to turning out not only African American voters but young voters as well.

    One need only consider the rousing reception she received at Hampton University, a historically Black institution in Virginia, last week, on her first stop on her “Fight for Our Freedoms College Tour.”

    A raucous crowd welcomed her at North Carolina A&T State University the next day. She will travel to Reading Area Community College in Pennsylvania and Morehouse College in Atlanta and make stops in swing states such as Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona.

    To hammer home the issues that touch these voters personally — guns, abortion, LGBTQ+ rights and climate change — the Biden campaign is smartly deploying her now, not as an afterthought in the final weeks of the campaign.


    Young voters, who, as a group, are more diverse than older voters, are essential to a Democratic victory in 2024. And it’s a not true that they cannot be engaged, particularly with the help of an energetic vice president — in this case, the first woman, the first African American and the first Asian American to hold the post.

    As the American Independent reported, the progressive data firm Catalist found that in 2022, “Especially in heavily contested races, millennial and Generation Z voters, defined collectively in the report as voters born after 1981, broke decisively for Democrats in even greater numbers than they did in 2018.”

    Even mainstream outlets, albeit grudgingly, have noted Harris’s increased effectiveness.
Moreover, a critical issue on which women and young voters are engaged — abortion rights — has been directly in Harris’s wheelhouse.

    She has revved up the base in multiple speeches, powerfully tying abortion to freedom. She engages frequently with pro-choice groups.

    Booting from the ticket someone identified with perhaps the Democrats’ most electrifying issue (Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization and the threat of a national abortion ban) would undercut a signature plank, one that many Democratic candidates will feature front and center in their campaigns……..

     
    The only chatter less productive than arguing that President Biden shouldn’t run (he is running) is the new spate of “replace Vice President Harris” talk.

    Besides its futility (Biden has emphatically said she is on the ticket, and the campaign has begun), the critics make three glaring errors.


    First, Harris is critical to turning out not only African American voters but young voters as well.

    One need only consider the rousing reception she received at Hampton University, a historically Black institution in Virginia, last week, on her first stop on her “Fight for Our Freedoms College Tour.”

    A raucous crowd welcomed her at North Carolina A&T State University the next day. She will travel to Reading Area Community College in Pennsylvania and Morehouse College in Atlanta and make stops in swing states such as Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona.

    To hammer home the issues that touch these voters personally — guns, abortion, LGBTQ+ rights and climate change — the Biden campaign is smartly deploying her now, not as an afterthought in the final weeks of the campaign.


    Young voters, who, as a group, are more diverse than older voters, are essential to a Democratic victory in 2024. And it’s a not true that they cannot be engaged, particularly with the help of an energetic vice president — in this case, the first woman, the first African American and the first Asian American to hold the post.

    As the American Independent reported, the progressive data firm Catalist found that in 2022, “Especially in heavily contested races, millennial and Generation Z voters, defined collectively in the report as voters born after 1981, broke decisively for Democrats in even greater numbers than they did in 2018.”

    Even mainstream outlets, albeit grudgingly, have noted Harris’s increased effectiveness.
Moreover, a critical issue on which women and young voters are engaged — abortion rights — has been directly in Harris’s wheelhouse.

    She has revved up the base in multiple speeches, powerfully tying abortion to freedom. She engages frequently with pro-choice groups.

    Booting from the ticket someone identified with perhaps the Democrats’ most electrifying issue (Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization and the threat of a national abortion ban) would undercut a signature plank, one that many Democratic candidates will feature front and center in their campaigns……..

    I'm not a fan of Harris, but dropping her from. Biden’s campaign would be a poor decision. She's very clearly a net positive for him.

    I still would rather a younger Presidential candidate though and think Biden should go ahead and pass the baton.
     
    I'm not a fan of Harris, but dropping her from. Biden’s campaign would be a poor decision. She's very clearly a net positive for him.

    I still would rather a younger Presidential candidate though and think Biden should go ahead and pass the baton.
    It would sink his campaign IMHO.
     

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