Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (2 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[Farb]

The suspected crime is the people who had the fetuses (medical waste) without being authorized. There is no suspected murder LOL.

Did you know that those remains were set to incinerated and made into electricity? I think there is and the corner should look into it. This is starting to sound a lot like Gosnell.

 

[V Chip]

Did you know that those remains were set to incinerated and made into electricity? I think there is and the corner should look into it. This is starting to sound a lot like Gosnell.

Not in the least. 4 fetuses obtained illegally with no evidence of anything wrong except the extremist anti-abortion criminals making up things out of whole cloth.

 

[Farb]

So, majority should always rule? are you saying instead of laws being passed, we should implement a majority rule voting system? I don't see how that could go wrong..lol This country has never been a majority populas making the laws. If it was, slavery would have never went away, women and minorites would never have been allowed to vote. i can think of many many more instances...

We literally fought a civil war over slavery LOL.

We live in a constitutional republic. How many laws are passed by the lesser votes? That would be none. So, yes, the majority of our reps have to vote in order for a law to pass.

 

[Farb]

This idea of let each state make their own laws, even if they violate human rights, is a huge GOP blunder, IMO. It will come back to bite them, because basic human rights are popular. Nobody wants their rights restricted, and the number of people who want to restrict other people’s rights is a true minority.

You don't have a human right to kill an innocent life for the sake of convenience.

 

[MT15]

We literally fought a civil war over slavery LOL.

We live in a constitutional republic. How many laws are passed by the lesser votes? That would be none. So, yes, the majority of our reps have to vote in order for a law to pass.

I don’t think that makes the point you think it makes. How many states would still have slavery if Lincoln didn’t fight them to establish that states’ rights don’t trump the guarantees of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You don't have a human right to kill an innocent life for the sake of convenience.

So, the embryo doesn’t have rights greater than the woman. Not until the fetus is viable, at which time they start to claim personhood. Even then, most people would expose the fetus to the risk of early delivery to save the life of the mother. And it should be a medical decision, not a state decision.

I know your religion tells you differently, and you should be free to practice your religion. What you are not free to do is impose your religion on people who do not practice it. That is what your religion calls “free will”. You don’t get to impose your religious decisions on other people. That’s called Sharia law, and you should be opposed to it.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

We literally fought a civil war over slavery LOL.

We live in a constitutional republic. How many laws are passed by the lesser votes? That would be none. So, yes, the majority of our reps have to vote in order for a law to pass.

should the people have voted whether to go to war over it, or did the law makers make the choice to do it? I would bet majority of the people would have voted no to war over slavery.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

You don't have a human right to kill an innocent life for the sake of convenience.

should jurors, prosecuters and judges be held accoutable if an innocent person is given the death penalty?
Should Family memebers be allowed to "pull the plug" on loved ones being kept alive by machines?

 

[coldseat]

I think you just worked through your question to me on your own.

Yes, the southern states want to put black people back in chains. That is probably exactly what Frank James would say and just as detached from reality.

Thank you. I get skittish when people take my titles I have worked for. Thanks for returning it.

You really do have an impenetrable savior complex when it comes to your defense of little babies from abortion. As if your rhetorical displays on a forum and votes against Democrats are crucial to the fight to save little babies from their evil, abortion having, slut mom's who have sex and get pregnant and then want and easy way to not have to deal with the "consequences" of their immoral lives.

Same with your protection of little children from the evil gay and transgender agenda/people trying to groom and corrupt them.

 

[RobF]

I never answered? I don't think that is correct.
A woman is a female human.

That's not an answer. How do you recognise whether someone is 'a female human' or not?

 

[Farb]

I don’t think that makes the point you think it makes. How many states would still have slavery if Lincoln didn’t fight them to establish that states’ rights don’t trump the guarantees of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So, the embryo doesn’t have rights greater than the woman. Not until the fetus is viable, at which time they start to claim personhood. Even then, most people would expose the fetus to the risk of early delivery to save the life of the mother. And it should be a medical decision, not a state decision.

I know your religion tells you differently, and you should be free to practice your religion. What you are not free to do is impose your religion on people who do not practice it. That is what your religion calls “free will”. You don’t get to impose your religious decisions on other people. That’s called Sharia law, and you should be opposed to it.

Well, considering Western Civilization was the first that outlawed slavery as a whole (that lasted) probably not long.
Is there still slavery present in the world today? Are those in western societies?

I don't think killing an innocent is based in religion. It is a human condition that has been in existence since human were in caves.

 

[Farb]

should the people have voted whether to go to war over it, or did the law makers make the choice to do it? I would bet majority of the people would have voted no to war over slavery.

You would probably be correct, as the idea of freeing the slaves was not what motivated northerns to take up arms. It was to preserve the union by a vast majority.

But again I ask, what civilization outlawed slavery outright and had it stick? The West.

 

[Farb]

That's not an answer. How do you recognise whether someone is 'a female human' or not?

That is exactly the answer. The fact that you tell me it not an answer and need more leftist talking points added tells me it is the correct answer.

If that is incorrect, you must know the correct answer, correct? So, what is the correct answer?

First step to see if a human is female
1. Genitalia
2. Birthing of another human

That is about it. Your turn.

 

[V Chip]

I don't think killing an innocent is based in religion. It is a human condition that has been in existence since human were in caves.

Then again, abortion or the death of a fetus being treated like the death of a person isn't based in religion, either. In fact, the Bible treats it like a minor offense.

 

[Farb]

You really do have an impenetrable savior complex when it comes to your defense of little babies from abortion. As if your rhetorical displays on a forum and votes against Democrats are crucial to the fight to save little babies from their evil, abortion having, slut mom's who have sex and get pregnant and then want and easy way to not have to deal with the "consequences" of their immoral lives.

Same with your protection of little children from the evil gay and transgender agenda/people trying to groom and corrupt them.

Thanks. Do you expect me to argue with you on this?

I have said exactly what I believe. You can frame it with all the adjectives, adverbs and false statements you would like to distort it but yes. I would still agree with you.

 

[Farb]

should jurors, prosecuters and judges be held accoutable if an innocent person is given the death penalty?
Should Family memebers be allowed to "pull the plug" on loved ones being kept alive by machines?

Do you think the criminal justice system should be held accountable for the death of an innocent?
Does that family member have a living will?

 

[RobF]

That is exactly the answer. The fact that you tell me it not an answer and need more leftist talking points added tells me it is the correct answer.

If that is incorrect, you must know the correct answer, correct? So, what is the correct answer?

First step to see if a human is female
1. Genitalia
2. Birthing of another human

That is about it. Your turn.

No. It's not an answer because you, presumably, recognise women every day without inspecting their genitalia or knowing whether they've had children or not.

Unless you're really going with, "I do need to inspect people's genitalia," in which case, get help.

 

[coldseat]

Thanks. Do you expect me to argue with you on this?

I have said exactly what I believe. You can frame it with all the adjectives, adverbs and false statements you would like to distort it but yes. I would still agree with you.

No, I don't expect you to argue with it. It just demonstrates that you don't believe that women are independent, autonomous beings that have a right to decide for themselves what their beliefs are and how they can live their lives when it has to do with their bodies and there is no societal consensus on what constitutes the personhood of a fetus. You believe they should be obligated by law to live in accordance with your religious beliefs.

Just making the point of how intractable the pro-life position is when it comes to privacy and self determination because of the God/Savior complex you have and are epitomizing. The thought that you could be wrong doesn't even cross your mind.

 

[Farb]

No. It's not an answer because you, presumably, recognise women every day without inspecting their genitalia or knowing whether they've had children or not.

Unless you're really going with, "I do need to inspect people's genitalia," in which case, get help.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woman

Would you look at that. Webster and I have the exact same definition. Word for word.

The word that is throwing you for a loop due to your leftism brainwashing is 'female'.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/female

"1a(1): of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs"

Still waiting on your answer.............but I know you won't or rather can't give a answer because it might offend a protected class in the woke hierarchy.