Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

And Emmitt Till was seeking an abortion? I am trying to figure out why you put up this strawman. What does Till have to do with an abortion?

Because your latest argument was basically: look at this icky picture and you'll change your mind.

It means I am still functioning in a reality based world.

Where invisible sky-beings dictate what is right and wrong. Seems pretty realistic.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

See, freedom and democracy in action.

But America isn't a democracy. I'm reminded of that fact every recent federal election where a minority of the people pull this country back to the Dark Ages.

 

[Lapaz]

You forgot the whole 'life' part with your Jurassic Park quote.

I love nostalgia too so I am with you. Like in the old days when liberals could provide a definition of a woman or girl. And grooming and pedophilia was not considered normal behavior in government schools. Those were wild times.

What kind of nonsense is this? What liberals can not define what a woman is? Do you mean Ketanji Brown? I think she is quite capable, but the question is ridiculous. If a case came before her challenging whether someone is a woman, each side would make their case, and I'm certain she could identify the correct argument.
What is this nonsense of grooming? Who is grooming? What is this even more non-sensical pedophilia grooming? Are you referring to how judges from both conservative and liberal persuasions have not given the highest sentences on pedophilia cases? Point out a case that was sentenced inappropriately? I don't think Ketanji had any such cases, despite the nonsense spewed by some conservatives during the hearings. There may be some rare cases that were inappropriately sentenced, and if so, then those judges can be dealt with, but it is a ridiculous generalization to say that liberals are grooming pedophilia, any more than conservatives are grooming pedophilia if you happen to find a conservative judge that didn't give out the maximum sentence.

 

[V Chip]

Did you look at the pictures? There were viable, that is the point and why the state is not doing an investigation.

Do you have proof they were viable (besides the quotes from an extremist anti-abortion group who illegally had the fetuses)? Or are you just assuming based on the size? Late term abortions are extremely rare and in nearly all of those incredibly few cases, the fetus isn't viable.

 

[V Chip]

Do you have proof they were viable (besides the quotes from an extremist anti-abortion group who illegally had the fetuses)? Or are you just assuming based on the size? Late term abortions are extremely rare and in nearly all of those incredibly few cases, the fetus isn't viable.

In fact, in their own Daily Caller ( ) story, they say Baby Boy #1 "appears to have been dead when he was aborted," for Baby Girl #1 they say "If the baby was alive at the start of this procedure, it would be considered a Partial Birth Abortion and would be illegal," (emphasis mine), Baby Girl #2 as "Her skin is macerated, and her tissues appear grey, consistent with death prior to the abortion," and for Baby X they just throw guesses out that "he or she may very well have been born alive and then left to die" without any evidence that this is actually the case.

Basically they're showing you images of fetuses and throwing out the accusations that they were fully healthy and viable and aborted, while actually ignoring the words of the people they quoted in the story saying in 3 of the 4 cases it's likely the fetus was dead before any procedure. Of course the Daily Caller article implies if they were dead before the procedure, it must be the abortionists who caused the fetus to die.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The correlation between a lynching and an abortion? Other than both kill an innocent life, no, I don't.

And to be honest, I wear it as a badge of honor that I can't understand alt-left talking points. It means I am still functioning in a reality based world.

My point was apolitical, actually. Your inability to understand that speaks volumes.

 

[MT15]

In fact, in their own Daily Caller ( ) story, they say Baby Boy #1 "appears to have been dead when he was aborted," for Baby Girl #1 they say "If the baby was alive at the start of this procedure, it would be considered a Partial Birth Abortion and would be illegal," (emphasis mine), Baby Girl #2 as "Her skin is macerated, and her tissues appear grey, consistent with death prior to the abortion," and for Baby X they just throw guesses out that "he or she may very well have been born alive and then left to die" without any evidence that this is actually the case.

Basically they're showing you images of fetuses and throwing out the accusations that they were fully healthy and viable and aborted, while actually ignoring the words of the people they quoted in the story saying in 3 of the 4 cases it's likely the fetus was dead before any procedure. Of course the Daily Caller article implies if they were dead before the procedure, it must be the abortionists who caused the fetus to die.

The Daily Caller is a horrible rag run by horrible people. They lie regularly.

 

[Farb]

The state shouldn't get to takeaway freedom from the women of their state because religious conservatives want too. Those women, living in the Untied States, should have the same freedom as women in every other state.

Your freedom, is to not have an abortion or not participate in one. Nobody is taking away your freedom.

So the democracy you guys prostrate for only applies to the things you guys like not what the majority of the state wants?

I thought I was the theocratic facist around here!?

 

[Farb]

What kind of nonsense is this? What liberals can not define what a woman is? Do you mean Ketanji Brown? I think she is quite capable, but the question is ridiculous. If a case came before her challenging whether someone is a woman, each side would make their case, and I'm certain she could identify the correct argument.
What is this nonsense of grooming? Who is grooming? What is this even more non-sensical pedophilia grooming? Are you referring to how judges from both conservative and liberal persuasions have not given the highest sentences on pedophilia cases? Point out a case that was sentenced inappropriately? I don't think Ketanji had any such cases, despite the nonsense spewed by some conservatives during the hearings. There may be some rare cases that were inappropriately sentenced, and if so, then those judges can be dealt with, but it is a ridiculous generalization to say that liberals are grooming pedophilia, any more than conservatives are grooming pedophilia if you happen to find a conservative judge that didn't give out the maximum sentence.

So what is a woman?

 

[Farb]

Because your latest argument was basically: look at this icky picture and you'll change your mind.



Where invisible sky-beings dictate what is right and wrong. Seems pretty realistic.

Sure. That was part of it. I have also been told that no doctors preform abortions up until birth and not on viable babies. Those pictures show otherwise. I know it is a shocker that a doctor that harvests unborn children for profit would not be above board is hard to imagine. Seems like their morals would be strong but all men are flawed.

More realistic than a man giving birth or menstruating? I will take my 'sky beings' any day. Thanks.

 

[Farb]

In fact, in their own Daily Caller ( ) story, they say Baby Boy #1 "appears to have been dead when he was aborted," for Baby Girl #1 they say "If the baby was alive at the start of this procedure, it would be considered a Partial Birth Abortion and would be illegal," (emphasis mine), Baby Girl #2 as "Her skin is macerated, and her tissues appear grey, consistent with death prior to the abortion," and for Baby X they just throw guesses out that "he or she may very well have been born alive and then left to die" without any evidence that this is actually the case.

Basically they're showing you images of fetuses and throwing out the accusations that they were fully healthy and viable and aborted, while actually ignoring the words of the people they quoted in the story saying in 3 of the 4 cases it's likely the fetus was dead before any procedure. Of course the Daily Caller article implies if they were dead before the procedure, it must be the abortionists who caused the fetus to die.

Doesn't seem strange that there will be no autopsy for a suspected crime/murder?

 

[RobF]

So what is a woman?

I asked you a while ago what your definition of a woman is, the working definition you use to recognise women on an every day basis.

You never answered. And yet you keep asking other people. Peculiar.

 

[coldseat]

So the democracy you guys prostrate for only applies to the things you guys like not what the majority of the state wants?

I thought I was the theocratic facist around here!?

So if the majority of people in a state wanted to make black people slaves again, you're okay with that? No protections. Is that the country you want to live in?

I mean, I know a lot of southern states are all about turning back the clock, but damn. OUR constitution affords every person equal protection under the law. Women should have no less rights in one state as it regards their bodily autonomy than they do in any other. It's that simple.

You are the theocratic fascist around here.

 

[V Chip]

Doesn't seem strange that there will be no autopsy for a suspected crime/murder?

The suspected crime is the people who had the fetuses (medical waste) without being authorized. There is no suspected murder LOL.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

So the democracy you guys prostrate for only applies to the things you guys like not what the majority of the state wants?

I thought I was the theocratic facist around here!?

So, majority should always rule? are you saying instead of laws being passed, we should implement a majority rule voting system? I don't see how that could go wrong..lol This country has never been a majority populas making the laws. If it was, slavery would have never went away, women and minorites would never have been allowed to vote. i can think of many many more instances...

 

[MT15]

This idea of let each state make their own laws, even if they violate human rights, is a huge GOP blunder, IMO. It will come back to bite them, because basic human rights are popular. Nobody wants their rights restricted, and the number of people who want to restrict other people’s rights is a true minority.

 

[Farb]

So if the majority of people in a state wanted to make black people slaves again, you're okay with that? No protections. Is that the country you want to live in?

I mean, I know a lot of southern states are all about turning back the clock, but damn. OUR constitution affords every person equal protection under the law. Women should have no less rights in one state as it regards their bodily autonomy than they do in any other. It's that simple.

You are the theocratic fascist around here.

I think you just worked through your question to me on your own.

Yes, the southern states want to put black people back in chains. That is probably exactly what Frank James would say and just as detached from reality.

Thank you. I get skittish when people take my titles I have worked for. Thanks for returning it.

 

[Farb]

I asked you a while ago what your definition of a woman is, the working definition you use to recognise women on an every day basis.

You never answered. And yet you keep asking other people. Peculiar.

I never answered? I don't think that is correct.
A woman is a female human.