Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (2 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[Farb]

It's out of context, but you can't provide the right context. The speed at which you change your views in order to own the libs or whatever the fork it is you're trying to do here is enough to give a person whiplash. What a forking joke.

I can't is not the right wording. "I don't care enough" would fit much better. Like I said, show the context so you don't hurt yourself with whiplash.

You are really sensitive about 'owning the libs'. I thought I was the one that pushed self-victimhood. I like role play, so we good.

 

[brandon]

I can't is not the right wording. "I don't care enough" would fit much better. Like I said, show the context so you don't hurt yourself with whiplash.

You are really sensitive about 'owning the libs'. I thought I was the one that pushed self-victimhood. I like role play, so we good.

You’re a joke.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good read,

I was surprised to see the 6 out of 10 stat
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One of the best parenting decisions I’ve made was to have an abortion.

I’m sure not everyone would consider this a parenting decision, but I promise you it is. The decision about when and whether to have a child is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make. And for those of us who already have children, deciding to have an abortion is common: About six in 10 women who have abortions in the United States are already mothers.

I gave birth last year to my first (and maybe only) child. Pregnancy wasn’t an easy road for me and my postpartum experience wasn’t much better- I had no idea I’d be parenting in a pandemic. I know a lot has already been written about how awful this pandemic has been for mothers, and I can attest to that: I haven’t seen most of my loved ones in over a year, my marriage and mental health have suffered, and the support I hoped to have while raising my daughter is nonexistent.

So when I unexpectedly became pregnant earlier this year, I was appalled. When I learned I was pregnant with my daughter, it was one of the happiest days of my life. This time, I felt nothing but despair. I was in no shape to have another child while I was experiencing the worst depression of my life. Having a second baby during the pandemic would have broken me, and probably my husband, too. Plus, I had a daughter who needed me to take care of myself so that I could care for her. It was important to me to be the best mother I could for the child I had.

It wasn’t a difficult decision for me, in fact, I knew instantly that I needed to have an abortion. I was very lucky: I have a partner who was supportive of my decision and I had an abortion within days of learning I was pregnant. I didn’t have to walk past people screaming ugly things at me or wait an arbitrary (and medically unnecessary) 48 or 72 hours to get the care I needed like in other states. I also didn’t have any trouble paying for my abortion.

I never imagined I’d need an abortion until I did, and I appreciate that I was treated with respect when making the decision that was best for me and my family. Since then, I’ve felt nothing but relief. I hope everyone who needs an abortion can easily get the support and care they need.

Unfortunately, in most of America, that’s simply impossible............

My Abortion Was One of the Best Parenting Decisions I’ve Ever Made

"It was important to me to be the best mother I could for the child I had."

www.sheknows.com

 

[MT15]

The ugly truth about pregnancy. Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. The thread is worth the read.

 

[SamAndreas]

The ugly truth about pregnancy. Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. The thread is worth the read.

Good point!

 

[Optimus Prime]

First time hearing about this. Wow

"Abortion is illegal in this state"

"Ok, I'll just go to a state where it is legal"

"Actually, that's illegal too"
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An unusual new legislative proposal in Missouri that aims to prevent its citizens from seeking an abortion – even across state lines – has drawn questions over its constitutionality.

But perhaps the most striking thing about the idea is that it isn't really very new at all.

State lawmakers more than 15 years ago passed a law that effectively did the same thing but was limited to minors, creating a civil cause of action against anyone who helped a Missouri minor obtain an abortion out of state without a parent or judge’s approval.

The state’s Supreme Court knocked it down..............

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2022-03-24/the-model-for-missouris-plan-to-ban-abortion-beyond-its-borders

 

[Optimus Prime]

Oklahoma legislature passes near-total ban on abortion

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/05/politics/oklahoma-abortion-ban-bill/index.html

 

[Lapaz]

The ugly truth about pregnancy. Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. The thread is worth the read.

The ugly truth about pregnancy. Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. The thread is worth the read.

I think it’s a good point that fear of an abuser is a good reason to keep abortion legal. I know a woman that had an abortion shortly after her boyfriend beat the hell out of her. Her life was in danger. Does that qualify under life of the mother exception? I know it is not, but it should be.

With that said, the tweet suggests that 55% of murdered pregnant women were merely murdered due to being pregnant. I doubt that 55% number. I think it is an exaggeration, which undermines the argument if disproven.

 

[MT15]

I think it’s a good point that fear of an abuser is a good reason to keep abortion legal. I know a woman that had an abortion shortly after her boyfriend beat the hell out of her. Her life was in danger. Does that qualify under life of the mother exception? I know it is not, but it should be.

With that said, the tweet suggests that 55% of murdered pregnant women were merely murdered due to being pregnant. I doubt that 55% number. I think it is an exaggeration, which undermines the argument if disproven.

No it doesn’t say that. It says that of all women murdered, 55% were murdered by their domestic or intimate partner.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good article
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On Tuesday, Oklahoma became the latest state to pass a bill to make performing an abortion a felony, punishable, in this case, by 10 years in prison and a $100,000 fine. The bill is expected to be signed into law by the governor, creating an even larger group of people – about 7.7 million between Texas and Oklahoma – who will have to leave their home state if they want an abortion.

Republican legislators are passing restrictions and bans on abortion, in expectation of a supreme court decision in a crucial abortion rights case expected in June. Until then, abortion remains legal, albeit severely restricted in some cases, across the US.

There was some hope that medication abortions might help alleviate this pressure. In July 2020, the US Food and Drug Administration announced that anyone seeking a medication abortion – that is, an abortion by taking pills, up to 10 weeks into a pregnancy, without the need for an operation – would no longer have to pick up the medication in person, or take it in a doctor’s presence.

Its decision to stop enforcing in-person requirements for the abortion drug mifepristone was a response to the Covid-19 pandemic, but in December, in consensus with the medical community, it ended the requirement for good.

Mifepristone, which data shows is safer than acetaminophen, is now available for US patients to acquire via telehealth services like Abortion on Demand and Just The Pill, which offer online appointments and discreet mail order medications. Consultations and ordering are straightforward and user-friendly on these sites and pills are posted in less than five days. People may take it without a provider’s oversight in the comfort and privacy of their own homes, just as they did after obtaining it in-person from a doctor.

The FDA’s decision empowered a wave of certified virtual clinics. In the coming months, the FDA is expected to clarify how pharmacies, like Walgreens and CVS, can distribute mifepristone for the first time…….

Mail-order abortion pills become next US reproductive rights battleground

The FDA has dropped a requirement for the abortion drug mifepristone to be picked up in person – but some Republicans states are clamping down

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lapaz]

You're right, but I think the tweet is very misleading at best. Perhaps it was unintentional, but I don't think so. It first says that the #1 cause of death of pregnant women is murder which is almost always by their domestic partner. Then the next sentence says that 55% of all women are murdered by intimate partners. That leaves one with the impression that it may be more than 50% of deaths of pregnant women are due to murder because they are pregnant.

"... Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. ..."

By putting those 3 sentences back to back, it seems to imply that 55% of all pregnant women are murdered by their intimate partners due to pregnancy. I understand that in reality, intimate partners murder women for many reasons, which means that the pregnancy justification may not even be one of the most likely reasons, but I think the tweeter was trying to leave the impression that it is the primary justification for the murders. According to WebMD, the actual percent is 20%.

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[MT15]

You're right, but I think the tweet is very misleading at best. Perhaps it was unintentional, but I don't think so. It first says that the #1 cause of death of pregnant women is murder which is almost always by their domestic partner. Then the next sentence says that 55% of all women are murdered by intimate partners. That leaves one with the impression that it may be more than 50% of deaths of pregnant women are due to murder because they are pregnant.

"... Murder is the number one cause of death of pregnant people. Almost always carried out by domestic partners. Of all women murdered in the US each year, 55% of the deaths are the result of intimate partner violence. ..."

By putting those 3 sentences back to back, it seems to imply that 55% of all pregnant women are murdered by their intimate partners due to pregnancy. I understand that in reality, intimate partners murder women for many reasons, which means that the pregnancy justification may not even be one of the most likely reasons, but I think the tweeter was trying to leave the impression that it is the primary justification for the murders. According to WebMD, the actual percent is 20%.

Health News More Articles Page

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www.webmd.com

So that wasn’t the tweet, that was my comment. And if the words “of all women murdered” doesn’t alert you that we are no longer talking only about pregnant women, then I don’t know what else to do.

 

[Lapaz]

So that wasn’t the tweet, that was my comment. And if the words “of all women murdered” doesn’t alert you that we are no longer talking only about pregnant women, then I don’t know what else to do.

Now I see that it was your comment, not the tweeter's, and I think you unintentionally gave the impression that the murder of pregnant women is much more frequent than it actually is. By the way, 20% of the deaths of pregnant women are caused by homicide, but the death rate of pregnant women is about 0.02%, so that would mean that less than 0.004% of pregnant women are murdered, which is still about 3 times as high as the murder rate for women. In 2021, there were less than 800 pregnant women that died from all non-homicide related causes, so about 200 women were murdered. By contrast, in 1930, about 2700 women died from illegal abortions, and even as recently as 1965, about 200 women were dying annually from illegal abortions. Assuming the homicide rate will remain around 200 annually, then outlawing abortions will double the deaths to 400, without accounting for medical causes of deaths.

Lessons from Before Roe: Will Past be Prologue?

With an administration deeply opposed to abortion, a Congress poised to pass legislation aimed at weakening the principles underlying Roe v. Wade and a Supreme Court whose composition is considered likely to change in the near future, it is instructive to look back at the choices available—and...

www.guttmacher.org

Those numbers are justification for keeping abortions legal and reasonably available, but I don't think that's the argument that will convince conservatives. I think the most persuasive argument is to prevent the vast problems that will be created for society by forcing women to have unwanted pregnancies. It will cause vast increases in foster kids and poorly cared for kids, which will lead to many societal problems. All of those red states which are trying to practically outlaw abortions will have much more poverty and crime than they already have. I don't think conservatives think ahead to consider the "what next" implications are. It's like we got what we wanted, and now we created a bigger problem.

 

[Lapaz]

I heard a couple of interesting ideas today on Sirius about how to deal with McConnell's plan to block all Democratic nominees once, or if, they take control of the Senate. One idea was that Stephen Breyer could remain on the court, and Ketanji Jackson could become the 10th justice, which would partially offset the loss of the justice for Obama. Another related idea hinged on the question about how long a senate approval would be valid, since the suggestion was that Jackson could remain on the sideline until an opening occurs, and then she would be immediately appointed. This led me to yet another idea. What about getting pre-approvals for a couple more justices while Biden has the senate, and appoint them as openings arise. This could apply to lower courts as well.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I heard a couple of interesting ideas today on Sirius about how to deal with McConnell's plan to block all Democratic nominees once, or if, they take control of the Senate. One idea was that Stephen Breyer could remain on the court, and Ketanji Jackson could become the 10th justice, which would partially offset the loss of the justice for Obama. Another related idea hinged on the question about how long a senate approval would be valid, since the suggestion was that Jackson could remain on the sideline until an opening occurs, and then she would be immediately appointed. This led me to yet another idea. What about getting pre-approvals for a couple more justices while Biden has the senate, and appoint them as openings arise. This could apply to lower courts as well.

Breyer is slated to retire this summer in advance of any change in composition of the Senate. As far as pre-approvals, you technically can't nominate someone until a position is open. That said, this would technically only apply to the lower courts (these positions are created by federal statute) as there is no Constitutional or statutory provision setting the number of Supreme Court Justices.

While Mitch McConnell is a scumbag, I'm not sure such counter-measures to his obstructionism are wise in the long-run.

Something that has been used in the past is a 'recess appointment' which allows the President to appoint someone while Congress is not technically in session.

Article II, Sec. 2, Clause 3: "The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

Again, this only temporarily fills a seat and their are practical ways the Senate could avoid going into recess.

 

[coldseat]

Breyer is slated to retire this summer in advance of any change in composition of the Senate. As far as pre-approvals, you technically can't nominate someone until a position is open. That said, this would technically only apply to the lower courts (these positions are created by federal statute) as there is no Constitutional or statutory position setting the number of Supreme Court Justices.

While Mitch McConnell is a scumbag, I'm not sure such counter-measures to his obstructionism are wise in the long-run.

You also wouldn't get enough Senators to go along with any plan to unilaterally alter the Court.

 

[Farb]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/d-c-...ice-are-hiding-barbaric-crimes-pro-lifers-say

There is a link the twitter thread that shows the bodies of the babies, I encourage everyone to have a look at them. Crazy disturbing but it should show that we are not talking about a 'clump' of cells. Especially the one of the little girl with her eyes open.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

If I'm going to hell -- if there is such a place -- then I'll let God -- if there is such a being -- dictate that. Not Ben Shapiro, and not you. That is to say: you can't shame me into rethinking my position that the state should not force women to come to term.