Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[Taurus]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/d-c-...ice-are-hiding-barbaric-crimes-pro-lifers-say

There is a link the twitter thread that shows the bodies of the babies, I encourage everyone to have a look at them. Crazy disturbing but it should show that we are not talking about a 'clump' of cells. Especially the one of the little girl with her eyes open.

You know we could counter with (thankfully) older photos of women who bled out in motels and alleys. Except those qualify as obscene because they're largely unclothed.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/d-c-...ice-are-hiding-barbaric-crimes-pro-lifers-say

There is a link the twitter thread that shows the bodies of the babies, I encourage everyone to have a look at them. Crazy disturbing but it should show that we are not talking about a 'clump' of cells. Especially the one of the little girl with her eyes open.

Pictures of Emmitt Till are readily available, yet you have a problem with Antilynching Act.

 

[MT15]

You know we could counter with (thankfully) older photos of women who bled out in motels and alleys. Except those qualify as obscene because they're largely unclothed.

Sadly, we just have to wait a while, a whole new batch of women will bleed out and die.

 

[Lapaz]

You also wouldn't get enough Senators to go along with any plan to unilaterally alter the Court.

It wouldn't necessarily alter the court to get pre-approvals for nominees. They could be seated after someone retires. Also, why can't Breyer rescind his retirement?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I'm still of the opinion that adding Justices to the Court is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Glad the charges were dropped
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The district attorney’s office in a Texas border county said Sunday it intended to dismiss the case against Lizelle Herrera, a 26-year-old who was arrested on murder charges after what authorities said was a “self-induced abortion."


The case had confounded activists on both sides of the abortion debate because, although Texas has taken measures to restrict access to abortion, it was not clear which legal statute Herrera was alleged to have violated.

Texas law also explicitly exempts a woman from a criminal homicide charge for aborting her pregnancy.

In a statement made to the Associated Press last week, the Starr County Sheriff’s Office merely stated that Herrera was charged after “intentionally and knowingly causing the death of an individual by self-induced abortion.”…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/10/texas-abortion-murder-arrest/

 

[MT15]

I don’t believe for a minute that prosecutors “forgot” about the exemption in the TX state law. I think they intended to send a message. And the fact that someone from the hospital where she sought emergency care was responsible for reporting this case is going to result in someone, somewhere bleeding out because they are hesitant to seek emergency care when their life is in danger.

I hope this woman is able to get a seven figure judgement against the proper government entity that was responsible for this clownish ”error”.

 

[Farb]

Pictures of Emmitt Till are readily available, yet you have a problem with Antilynching Act.

And Emmitt Till was seeking an abortion? I am trying to figure out why you put up this strawman. What does Till have to do with an abortion?

 

[Farb]

Sadly, we just have to wait a while, a whole new batch of women will bleed out and die.

Would those women bleed out if they didn't do something illegal? What are they doing in order to bleed out? An abortion to end a pregnancy? How did they become pregnant? Oh, they chose to have to sex. That sounds a lot like consequences of ones actions. So, it turns out that no women would 'bleed out' if they didn't make a decision to have sex. Seems like it all comes down to abstinence, does it not?

Maybe we need a national push or law for abstinence? That would solve the problem right there would it not?

Just to be clear, I don't condone a national law (for most anything really) for abstinence, but only to make a point.

 

[Complex Kid]

Would those women bleed out if they didn't do something illegal? What are they doing in order to bleed out? An abortion to end a pregnancy? How did they become pregnant? Oh, they chose to have to sex. That sounds a lot like consequences of ones actions. So, it turns out that no women would 'bleed out' if they didn't make a decision to have sex. Seems like it all comes down to abstinence, does it not?

Maybe we need a national push or law for abstinence? That would solve the problem right there would it not?

Just to be clear, I don't condone a national law (for most anything really) for abstinence, but only to make a point.

There are a many things that could happen to cause someone pregnant to bleed out that don't include abortions or anything illegal.

Also I like that children are "consequences" in this one.

A+ Farb posting.

 

[coldseat]

Would those women bleed out if they didn't do something illegal? What are they doing in order to bleed out? An abortion to end a pregnancy? How did they become pregnant? Oh, they chose to have to sex. That sounds a lot like consequences of ones actions. So, it turns out that no women would 'bleed out' if they didn't make a decision to have sex. Seems like it all comes down to abstinence, does it not?

Maybe we need a national push or law for abstinence? That would solve the problem right there would it not?

Just to be clear, I don't condone a national law (for most anything really) for abstinence, but only to make a point.

No matter how much you and religious conservatives try, you're never going to be able to force women to carry a pregnancy to term if they want an abortion. Much like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, they will find away. All you will do is cause more pain for women and society.

That may be okay with you, but I prefer a more pragmatic approach to abortion.

Man, that word pragmatic brings back some nostalgia. I remember when the right used to champion pragmatism. Now it's all kooks, conspiracy and ultra religious conservatism.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

And Emmitt Till was seeking an abortion? I am trying to figure out why you put up this strawman. What does Till have to do with an abortion?

This is not the first time in the past week or so that you have stated an inability to understand a simple concept. Do you genuinely not understand?

 

[Farb]

There are a many things that could happen to cause someone pregnant to bleed out that don't include abortions or anything illegal.

Also I like that children are "consequences" in this one.

A+ Farb posting.

Are there also women who bled out during a legal and safe abortion?

I am more of a C- poster, but thanks for the encouragement.

 

[Farb]

No matter how much you and religious conservatives try, you're never going to be able to force women to carry a pregnancy to term if they want an abortion. Much like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, they will find away. All you will do is cause more pain for women and society.

That may be okay with you, but I prefer a more pragmatic approach to abortion.

Man, that word pragmatic brings back some nostalgia. I remember when the right used to champion pragmatism. Now it's all kooks, conspiracy and ultra religious conservatism.

You forgot the whole 'life' part with your Jurassic Park quote.

I love nostalgia too so I am with you. Like in the old days when liberals could provide a definition of a woman or girl. And grooming and pedophilia was not considered normal behavior in government schools. Those were wild times.

 

[Farb]

This is not the first time in the past week or so that you have stated an inability to understand a simple concept. Do you genuinely not understand?

The correlation between a lynching and an abortion? Other than both kill an innocent life, no, I don't.

And to be honest, I wear it as a badge of honor that I can't understand alt-left talking points. It means I am still functioning in a reality based world.

 

[coldseat]

You forgot the whole 'life' part with your Jurassic Park quote.

I love nostalgia too so I am with you. Like in the old days when liberals could provide a definition of a woman or girl. And grooming and pedophilia was not considered normal behavior in government schools. Those were wild times.

I mean, if aborted fetus can live on its own outside the womb, then by all means.

The point being, you can force people (in this case women) into submission, but only by being authoritarian and using punishing force/incarceration to take away their freedom. Which is essentially what the right wing is trying to do. Otherwise, the will use their freedom to find a way to get an abortion.

 

[Farb]

I mean, if aborted fetus can live on its own outside the womb, then by all means.

The point being, you can force people (in this case women) into submission, but only by being authoritarian and using punishing force/incarceration to take away their freedom. Which is essentially what the right wing is trying to do. Otherwise, the will use their freedom to find a way to get an abortion.

Did you look at the pictures? There were viable, that is the point and why the state is not doing an investigation.

Sure. I don't see California outlawing abortion. Use our freedom to go get one, just not in a state that has it's citizens decide that killing babies is not going to happen in their state. See, freedom and democracy in action.

 

[coldseat]

Did you look at the pictures? There were viable, that is the point and why the state is not doing an investigation.

Sure. I don't see California outlawing abortion. Use our freedom to go get one, just not in a state that has it's citizens decide that killing babies is not going to happen in their state. See, freedom and democracy in action.

The state shouldn't get to takeaway freedom from the women of their state because religious conservatives want too. Those women, living in the Untied States, should have the same freedom as women in every other state.

Your freedom, is to not have an abortion or not participate in one. Nobody is taking away your freedom.