Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[MT15]

None of the laws are being tweaked. Nationally, most of the new laws give no exceptions for rape or incest. They are not trying to tweak them.

 

[Taurus]

A Zygote is a fertilized egg( Single cell diploid.) It will take a week to two weeks to implant on the wall of Uterus. During this time it begins to divide into multicells and becomes a morula. After about the 3rd week it becomes an Embryo. Finally after 8 weeks it is a fetus.



How do you define life? A Zygote cannot survive on it's own and become an Embryo, and Embryo can't survive on it's own and become a fetus, fetuses cannot survive on their own until they are at about 24 weeks gestation (even then they need serious medical assistance.)

Sperm cells (single cell haploid) and egg cells (single cell haploid) are just as "alive" as a zygote.

If killing a zygote is murder, so is masturbation, or finishing anywhere besides the womb.

So is finishing in the womb, as millions of sperm are ejaculated and only one survives the implantation of an egg and the other million or so die.



Also lots of times, the zygote never implants in the uterus. Sometimes that's caused by diet or lifestyle. So if killing a Zygote is murder, then would miscarriages be negligent homicide?

Yes, they would. It's the logical conclusion to that line of thinking and the clearly desired goal.
Control.

 

[H B Lowrey]

You seem oddly engaged in my masturbation habits, all you have to do is ask for my OnlyFans page and you can see my DNA as much as you like, I also ship to the lower 48, for a small fee of course.

Can I ask what my sperm combines with to start the life process in my sock, sheet or t-shirt? I, and science were under the impression life began when sperm and an egg combine (fertilization) to create a distinct and separate life form. So me showering my DNA in the shower is not really the same thing is it?

You seem to have a time line in mind for fertilization of an egg, to the time to legally cancel a woman's right to what's happening within her own body. And your affinity for cell phone porn. Your track record on this site regarding anything science it what is. But I'd like to hear your argument. When do you want big tyrannical overreaching govt to weigh in with mandated law? What time point, be specific about what you wish punished legally by incarceration. It's quite a business.

 

[Taurus]

I'd like to add a request for the logistics involved.

You seem to have a time line in mind for fertilization of an egg, to the time to legally cancel a woman's right to what's happening within her own body. And your affinity for cell phone porn. Your track record on this site regarding anything science it what is. But I'd like to hear your argument. When do you want big tyrannical overreaching govt to weigh in with mandated law? What time point, be specific about what you wish punished legally by incarceration. It's quite a business.

 

[Farb]

I'd like to add a request for the logistics involved.

He can only help on the logistics of masturbation at this time apparently.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I sure do. I bet you do too

I do, absolutly. But i am ok with a single mom getting housing/food/welfare assistance, even if she is on drugs, because the child still needs a place to live and a way to eat, even if its minimal because of the drugs. Kicking her off of assistance because of the drugs does not help the childs welfare at all, zero. But that is how most conservatives look at it. On drugs? kick em off, not my problem if the child dies, its her fault... If someone is TRULY pro-life, then they will care about the childs life long after it is born, and supporting programs that help that child survive even if you do not agree with the principles of it..

I know you think because people want to give the woman the right to choose automatically makes them pro abortion, It does not. I would never suggest a woman have an abortion, But thats not my choice to make.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

A Zygote is a fertilized egg( Single cell diploid.) It will take a week to two weeks to implant on the wall of Uterus. During this time it begins to divide into multicells and becomes a morula. After about the 3rd week it becomes an Embryo. Finally after 8 weeks it is a fetus.



How do you define life? A Zygote cannot survive on it's own and become an Embryo, and Embryo can't survive on it's own and become a fetus, fetuses cannot survive on their own until they are at about 24 weeks gestation (even then they need serious medical assistance.)

Sperm cells (single cell haploid) and egg cells (single cell haploid) are just as "alive" as a zygote.

If killing a zygote is murder, so is masturbation, or finishing anywhere besides the womb.

So is finishing in the womb, as millions of sperm are ejaculated and only one survives the implantation of an egg and the other million or so die.



Also lots of times, the zygote never implants in the uterus. Sometimes that's caused by diet or lifestyle. So if killing a Zygote is murder, then would miscarriages be negligent homicide?

@Farb , i would like to hear your direct response on this. Do you agree or disagree?


And a second part question. Are you also against Plan B birth control?

 

[Taurus]

He can only help on the logistics of masturbation at this time apparently.

I meant from you. (Not on whacking off, obviously...I'm sure our methods differ and I'm quite happy with my own.)
Thinking through what's required by actually enforcing a total ban on abortions because every fertilized egg is an officially-recognized person leads to some incredible logistic challenges. What are your plans to meet them?

 

[Port City JJ]

What about rape?

If you rape a woman and get her pregnant, you cool with forcing her to carry that baby to term?

Father's rights to custodial sharing?

 

[Farb]

I do, absolutly. But i am ok with a single mom getting housing/food/welfare assistance, even if she is on drugs, because the child still needs a place to live and a way to eat, even if its minimal because of the drugs. Kicking her off of assistance because of the drugs does not help the childs welfare at all, zero. But that is how most conservatives look at it. On drugs? kick em off, not my problem if the child dies, its her fault... If someone is TRULY pro-life, then they will care about the childs life long after it is born, and supporting programs that help that child survive even if you do not agree with the principles of it..

I know you think because people want to give the woman the right to choose automatically makes them pro abortion, It does not. I would never suggest a woman have an abortion, But thats not my choice to make.

I think being pro-life and liberal are not mutually inclusive.

 

[Farb]

@Farb , i would like to hear your direct response on this. Do you agree or disagree?


And a second part question. Are you also against Plan B birth control?

Yes, I am against Plan B. I said some time ago on here that I would could make exceptions for Plan B, I was wrong about that.

I agree with most of the science that was posted. Nature is nature. Not all sperm is going to fertilize an egg. Not all eggs are going to be fertilized. Not all pregnancies will come to term. These are natural.
It is what happens after the zygote is formed by fertilization by 2 different organism to create a single life that is important. That should be protected. Our ancestors thought that was to be protected at all costs, even to the life of the male, hence the differences between males and females.

 

[Farb]

I meant from you. (Not on whacking off, obviously...I'm sure our methods differ and I'm quite happy with my own.)
Thinking through what's required by actually enforcing a total ban on abortions because every fertilized egg is an officially-recognized person leads to some incredible logistic challenges. What are your plans to meet them?

Fair question. I don't think there will ever be a total ban on abortion. There will be plenty of states that will allow it and they or the pro-choice public can set up a charity to get people where they can abort their baby.
If a person does drugs or engages in behavior with no regard to the life inside them, then I am 100% for legal punishment.

 

[Farb]

What about rape?

If you rape a woman and get her pregnant, you cool with forcing her to carry that baby to term?

Father's rights to custodial sharing?

I would never rape a woman, but if you raped a woman and got her pregnant, then I don't see why your kid would share the sin of you being an evil person.

You will have to pay for that child, once you get our of prison and all of your possessions are sold and given to the victim to help raise the child up until adoption or the kid becomes 18. And no, you would not be able to see the kid.

On a side note, I also think rape should be the death penalty so there would be absolutely no visitation.

Same with incest (although, I struggle with this one) the child should be taken from the creeps at birth and they should also have to pay until adoption or 18. If the kid needs state medical for life, that is also covered mostly by the creeps.

 

[SFIDC3]

I would never rape a woman, but if you raped a woman and got her pregnant, then I don't see why your kid would share the sin of you being an evil person.

You will have to pay for that child, once you get our of prison and all of your possessions are sold and given to the victim to help raise the child up until adoption or the kid becomes 18. And no, you would not be able to see the kid.

On a side note, I also think rape should be the death penalty so there would be absolutely no visitation.

Same with incest (although, I struggle with this one) the child should be taken from the creeps at birth and they should also have to pay until adoption or 18. If the kid needs state medical for life, that is also covered mostly by the creeps.

This is unbelievable, blatant and most callous disregard for the female victim. It's quite honestly disgusting....do you honestly believe a woman should be forced to give birth after being raped?

If not, I take it back (but it sure sounds like it), if so I hope you are reincarnated as a female rape victim.....

 

[Farb]

This is unbelievable, blatant and most callous disregard for the female victim. It's quite honestly disgusting....do you honestly believe a woman should be forced to give birth after being raped?

If not, I take it back (but it sure sounds like it), if so I hope you are reincarnated as a female rape victim.....

I am sorry. Someone asked for my thoughts and beliefs. You sound like a caring, loving and virtuous guy or gal.....up until you wish rape on someone that has a different opinion.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yes, I am against Plan B. I said some time ago on here that I would could make exceptions for Plan B, I was wrong about that.

I agree with most of the science that was posted. Nature is nature. Not all sperm is going to fertilize an egg. Not all eggs are going to be fertilized. Not all pregnancies will come to term. These are natural.
It is what happens after the zygote is formed by fertilization by 2 different organism to create a single life that is important. That should be protected. Our ancestors thought that was to be protected at all costs, even to the life of the male, hence the differences between males and females.

Your stance on Plam B makes no sense to me. It's not an abortifacient. If a pregnant woman takes it, nothing happens. It is contraception.

 

[H B Lowrey]

He can only help on the logistics of masturbation at this time apparently.

You have the floor. That's what you did with it?

 

[Taurus]

Fair question. I don't think there will ever be a total ban on abortion. There will be plenty of states that will allow it and they or the pro-choice public can set up a charity to get people where they can abort their baby.
If a person does drugs or engages in behavior with no regard to the life inside them, then I am 100% for legal punishment.

But to get even that far you have to establish a lot of facts. A process requiring a ton of logistics.