Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[MT15]

Fair question. I don't think there will ever be a total ban on abortion. There will be plenty of states that will allow it and they or the pro-choice public can set up a charity to get people where they can abort their baby.
If a person does drugs or engages in behavior with no regard to the life inside them, then I am 100% for legal punishment.

So this gives away your authoritarianism. You want the state to basically surveil pregnant women. You want the state to decide the cause of every miscarriage, right? Because this is the path you have set us down. Women, as soon as they become pregnant, must be watched and monitored? Otherwise, how will we know that her behavior didn’t lead to her miscarriage?

You don’t seem to realize how many miscarriages happen where we have no idea the cause. And you want to insert the state into that traumatic time, with someone deciding a woman caused her miscarriage?

You claim to care about creeping socialism and/or communism invading your freedom, yet you care not one bit about the freedom of women. You prefer that they be treated like second class citizens.

This is a Taliban-like disregard for women as people.

 

[SFIDC3]

I am sorry. Someone asked for my thoughts and beliefs. You sound like a caring, loving and virtuous guy or gal.....up until you wish rape on someone that has a different opinion.

I hope one day you get out of that deep dark rabbit hole you are in....your opinion?

I think you would make a great ISIS/Taliban soldier with your views....

 

[CoolBrees]

@Farb -

Lemme get this straight from all the threads- you are saying that the government should now require pregnant women to register with the state. You feel voter should need to register with the state and monitor their whereabouts via being tied to your home address.

But at the same time, the government should not interfere in the lives of people when it comes to public health (vaccines), education and you feel registering and knowing where firearms are is government overreach….

Do you do a lot of self reflection?

 

[V Chip]

Yes, I am against Plan B. I said some time ago on here that I would could make exceptions for Plan B, I was wrong about that.

I agree with most of the science that was posted. Nature is nature. Not all sperm is going to fertilize an egg. Not all eggs are going to be fertilized. Not all pregnancies will come to term. These are natural.
It is what happens after the zygote is formed by fertilization by 2 different organism to create a single life that is important. That should be protected. Our ancestors thought that was to be protected at all costs, even to the life of the male, hence the differences between males and females.

So the only thing important to you about the life of a fetus is intent then? If there is any intent on anyone's part to abort the fetus -- whether through medical abortion, plan B to prevent implantation (and thus technically prevent pregnancy), through trying to induce a miscarriage via any means, or if caused by an outside action (deliberate car crash, being unwittingly fed drugs, beaten/shot by partner/stranger) then you think that is criminal and should be disallowed by law and/or prosecuted if possible?

 

[Farb]

@Farb -

Lemme get this straight from all the threads- you are saying that the government should now require pregnant women to register with the state. You feel voter should need to register with the state and monitor their whereabouts via being tied to your home address.

But at the same time, the government should not interfere in the lives of people when it comes to public health (vaccines), education and you feel registering and knowing where firearms are is government overreach….

Do you do a lot of self reflection?

Where did I say that a woman had to register with the state?

In a perfect world, you would not need the state to to enforce the sanctity of life because the free citizens would share that view but in this new world where the self and narcissism are the only virtues, we are forced to have the state the involved since the state is the one allowing 'legalized' abortion.

You are correct. The federal government should not be near any pregnant women, education, vaccines, religion and guns. However, in this society we have to pass laws in order to correct the bad laws already in play.

 

[V Chip]

but in this new world where the self and narcissism are the only virtues

It's ironic hearing those words come from a conservative as if conservatives are against them.

 

[Farb]

It's ironic hearing those words come from a conservative as if conservatives are against them.

all conservatives?

 

[samiam5211]

but in this new world where the self and narcissism are the only virtues,

This is what capitalism gets you.

Sure, it get's you all kids of cool toys, but it turns your kids into terrible humans.

 

[V Chip]

all conservatives?

I'm sure there are a handful who are against therm, but they are very hard to find and a whole heck of a lot of conservative positions don't embody being against either of those two concepts.

 

[Farb]

This is what capitalism gets you.

Sure, it get's you all kids of cool toys, but it turns your kids into terrible humans.

I am not sure we can lay the blame on capitalism on this one. Parents, social media, and the undermining of community is more to blame than a form of economics.

 

[Farb]

I'm sure there are a handful who are against therm, but they are very hard to find and a whole heck of a lot of conservative positions don't embody being against either of those two concepts.

See, I think it is the reverse. I think the left is more to blame for the religion of self than anything conservatives believe.

 

[samiam5211]

I am not sure we can lay the blame on capitalism on this one. Parents, social media, and the undermining of community is more to blame than a form of economics.

We wouldn't have social media without capitalism.

parents were kids at some point, maybe it was the grandparents, or the great grandparents fault.

promoting individualism eventually leads to a selfish society.

 

[V Chip]

See, I think it is the reverse. I think the left is more to blame for the religion of self than anything conservatives believe.

Almost all of conservatives beliefs about capitalism, our tax system, corporatism, welfare, schooling/funding, gun regulation/safety and others tend to undermine your point.

 

[MT15]

Where did I say that a woman had to register with the state?

How will the state know whether a woman needs to be punished for her miscarriage? There is apparently no limit to your desire to control women who are pregnant. It’s the exact opposite of conservatism. Exact opposite. It’s far more like a communist country than anything I have ever seen from the left in the US. Or, more correctly, it’s the type of control that the Taliban exert over women. Your beliefs and the Taliban are two sides of the same coin.

Farb said: In a perfect world, you would not need the state to to enforce the sanctity of life because the free citizens would share that view but in this new world where the self and narcissism are the only virtues, we are forced to have the state the involved since the state is the one allowing 'legalized' abortion. (quote not working)

Or here’s a crazy thought, you could practice your own religion and mind your own business and quit trying to force everyone to abide by your religious beliefs.

 

[MT15]

So they are finally admitting the end game.





These people are dead serious about a state religion.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good article

We’ll have something similar to this here in America soon if there isn’t one already
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When The Handmaid’s Tale first came out in 1985, the initial response was broadly that people thought such threats to women’s bodies and reproductive rights “couldn’t happen here”.

By the time it aired as a TV series in 2017, just after Donald Trump was inaugurated in the US, people were no longer so sure. With every headline about gains in reproductive rights – Ireland repealing the eighth amendment in 2018, which had effectively banned abortions – there are others that underscore how fragile these rights are, wherever you live.

Recent changes to abortion law in Texas, which have prohibited abortions after six weeks – one of the most restrictive rules in the nation – and Poland’s near total ban on the procedure last year make it clear just how slippery the slope still is.

We have to ask: what kind of country do we want to live in? A democratic one in which every individual is free to make decisions concerning their health and body, or one in which half the population is free and the state corrals the bodies of the other half?

Women who are not allowed to make their own decisions about whether or not to give birth are, in fact, owned by the state, as the state claims the right to dictate the uses to which their bodies must be put.

The work of the Abortion Support Network (ASN) and the need for it in apparently progressive Europe is a stiff reminder: democratic rights don’t grow on trees. They must be struggled for and maintained. Those at risk of forced childbearing should be very grateful to have such organisations and their volunteers in their corner…….

The abortion travel agents: ‘Some women know what they need, others just say: help’

With reproductive rights being increasingly restricted in Europe, people are relying on a network of volunteers to help them

www.theguardian.com

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

your lord Jesus did as well

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

In a perfect world, you would not need the state to to enforce the sanctity of life because the free citizens would share that view but in this new world where the self and narcissism are the only virtues, we are forced to have the state the involved since the state is the one allowing 'legalized' abortion.

Ah... and we get to the crux of it: you're better than us heathens who don't believe in the 'sanctity of life.' Here's my idea of a perfect world: religious prosthelytizers would mind their own business or at least save their grift for those willing to fall for it.

It takes an extreme amount of narcissism to presuppose: 1) there is a God in the first place; and 2) that you and/or other mortals know God's will.

To paraphrase a quote from an author named Anne Lamott: 'You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out God hates the same people as you do.'

The parable of the golden calf is the ultimate irony. It's all a golden calf, amigo. Doesn't matter that millions of people believe in it.