Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

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    H B Lowrey said:
    Careful, you're bordering on abusive language there.
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    Dude, making multiple posts about having your post moderated isn't going to do you any favors. You don't need to warn people who've been on here for years how to post. I think most of us have the hang of it since we're still here after all this time.
     
    Farb said:
    A zygote is not human life, correct? Then what is it?
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    1. a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum.

      Cannot exist outside the womb on its own, therefore not human and not a life. It's a fertilized ovum and that's all. Even pro-life sites state that a zygote isn't human because it still has numerous changes to undergo before reaching human status.

      What is it? A clump of gametes.
     
    Farb said:
    Yes, I believe in self agency just as your lord Jesus did as well, free will and all that nonsense.
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    You do not really believe in free agency, or you wouldn’t be in favor of making other people adhere to your religious beliefs.
     
    Lizards are zygotes after initial fertilization. Birds too. Lions. Tigers. Bears. Oh my. And all zygotes.

    Until further development, there is no discernible difference at this stage between any living being. In other words; Not human yet; or more than likely, never will be.
     
    insidejob said:
    1. a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum.

      Cannot exist outside the womb on its own, therefore not human and not a life. It's a fertilized ovum and that's all. Even pro-life sites state that a zygote isn't human because it still has numerous changes to undergo before reaching human status.

      What is it? A clump of gametes.
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    would it matter that one of those biggest hurdles are a pair of scissors and a vacuum?

    Two things combined to make another thing. That thing made grows to be a human being if nature is allowed to continue and with no outliers (miscarriage ect..), correct?
    Sounds like the beginning of life to me and science agrees. What is missing? The answer is nothing, all DNA is present for a complete and separate human.
     
    CoolBrees said:
    Lizards are zygotes after initial fertilization. Birds too. Lions. Tigers. Bears. Oh my. And all zygotes.

    Until further development, there is no discernible difference at this stage between any living being. In other words; Not human yet; or more than likely, never will be.
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    Are you saying those animals are not alive too? Yes most life begin as a zygote.
     
    Farb said:
    would it matter that one of those biggest hurdles are a pair of scissors and a vacuum?

    Two things combined to make another thing. That thing made grows to be a human being if nature is allowed to continue and with no outliers (miscarriage ect..), correct?
    Sounds like the beginning of life to me and science agrees. What is missing? The answer is nothing, all DNA is present for a complete and separate human.
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    Farb said:
    Are you saying those animals are not alive too? Yes most life begin as a zygote.
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    Why is a zygote life, but not an egg or sperm cell?
     
    Farb said:
    would it matter that one of those biggest hurdles are a pair of scissors and a vacuum?

    Two things combined to make another thing. That thing made grows to be a human being if nature is allowed to continue and with no outliers (miscarriage ect..), correct?
    Sounds like the beginning of life to me and science agrees. What is missing? The answer is nothing, all DNA is present for a complete and separate human.
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    So, you destroy the potential for life every time you masturbate. Don't you make another thing, a stain, when you ejaculate into your sock, T-shirt or sheet? Sounds like the beginning of the life of a wash cycle to me and the detergent industry agrees. What's missing? The answer is nothing, all your DNA is washed down the drain for an utterly incomplete human being incoherently blathering on about a belief which has no impact upon him whatsoever.
     
    H B Lowrey said:
    So, you destroy the potential for life every time you masturbate. Don't you make another thing, a stain, when you ejaculate into your sock, T-shirt or sheet? Sounds like the beginning of the life of a wash cycle to me and the detergent industry agrees. What's missing? The answer is nothing, all your DNA is washed down the drain for an utterly incomplete human being incoherently blathering on about a belief which has no impact upon him whatsoever.
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    You seem oddly engaged in my masturbation habits, all you have to do is ask for my OnlyFans page and you can see my DNA as much as you like, I also ship to the lower 48, for a small fee of course.

    Can I ask what my sperm combines with to start the life process in my sock, sheet or t-shirt? I, and science were under the impression life began when sperm and an egg combine (fertilization) to create a distinct and separate life form. So me showering my DNA in the shower is not really the same thing is it?
     
    Farb said:
    https://news.yahoo.com/texas-abortions-dropped-60-percent-211549375.html

    Thu, February 10, 2022, 3:15 PM·2 min read

    Abortions in Texas dropped nearly 60 percent in the first month the most restrictive abortion law in the nation was in effect, according to state data.
    The number of abortions performed in the state fell from 5,404 in August to just 2,197 in September. The Texas heartbeat law, S.B. 8, bans all abortions after fetal cardiac activity is detected, typically around six weeks of pregnancy, before most women know they are pregnant.
    The figures from the Texas Health Department, which were released earlier this month, show the dramatic impact of the law just one month after it took effect. Data has not been released for the rest of 2021 beyond September.
    The law authorizes citizens to file private lawsuits against those who perform, aid or abet an abortion after six weeks. Successful suits under S.B. 8, which contains no exceptions for rape or incest, fetch at least $10,000.

    Good news for the pro-life folks among us even from a left leaning article!
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    And in a few years when welfare doubles, they'll be looking ways to cut it out, but who cares if the child dies AFTER its born..
     
    Farb said:
    A zygote is not human life, correct? Then what is it?
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    A Zygote is a fertilized egg( Single cell diploid.) It will take a week to two weeks to implant on the wall of Uterus. During this time it begins to divide into multicells and becomes a morula. After about the 3rd week it becomes an Embryo. Finally after 8 weeks it is a fetus.



    How do you define life? A Zygote cannot survive on it's own and become an Embryo, and Embryo can't survive on it's own and become a fetus, fetuses cannot survive on their own until they are at about 24 weeks gestation (even then they need serious medical assistance.)

    Sperm cells (single cell haploid) and egg cells (single cell haploid) are just as "alive" as a zygote.

    If killing a zygote is murder, so is masturbation, or finishing anywhere besides the womb.

    So is finishing in the womb, as millions of sperm are ejaculated and only one survives the implantation of an egg and the other million or so die.



    Also lots of times, the zygote never implants in the uterus. Sometimes that's caused by diet or lifestyle. So if killing a Zygote is murder, then would miscarriages be negligent homicide?
     
    ‘Also lots of times, the zygote never implants in the uterus. Sometimes that's caused by diet or lifestyle. So if killing a Zygote is murder, then would miscarriages be negligent homicide?’

    this is the inevitable conclusion of the idea that a zygote or even a pre-viable fetus is a person. It will be the state prosecuting women for miscarriages. If you think that’s hyperbole, some state has already charged a woman who miscarried after she was shot in the stomach during an altercation. Even though she was unarmed, and had no way to know the other person would shoot her, they charged her with the death of her fetus. I do believe the charges were eventually dismissed, but that is what Farb’s way will lead to. Religion just shouldn’t be legislated. It leads to authoritarian overreach. Every single time.

    And, it’s only a small leap to get to the idea of outlawing birth control of all kinds. That will be the other consequence of following this Taliban-like movement to its logical conclusion.
     
    Maybe the laws need to be tweaked but overall, I agree with the law.
     

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