Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

Ugh... breaking news I DID NOT want to see.

ETA: Reported on CNN.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Oh, there is a misunderstanding. I am 100% behind making Christian beliefs into law. I am fan of western civilization.

So the bible shouls become law? Are we talking about everyting in the bible or just the ones you see fit?
We may as well go under Sharia law...

 

[Farb]

This is quite a turnaround in the last half hour. Can you show me your biological evidence for life beginning at conception?

Crazy, I know. Check out the definition of a zygote. Pretty straight forward.

 

[Farb]

I cynically wonder the the GOP really wants Roe overturned

There are a significant number of people who are one issue voters and their one issue is abortion

I remember reading in 2016 that some said they only voted for Trump so he could appoint a Supreme Court justice for this very reason

If abortion is banned where are those voters going?

If, fingers crossed, Roe is overturned, it goes back to the states. There will be plenty of states that you can go and get your baby destroyed if you like. In fact, I would imagine that blue states will pass new laws to allow abortion up until the 18th birthday. Abortion won't be illegal, unfortunately, nation wide. It will be illegal in jus the states where us religious, conservatives nut jobs live.

 

[Farb]

That is some extremely republican, conservative thinking right there. In a very strict interpretation. That would mean that all the mother has to do is carry the pregnancy's to term, deliver the baby and then she's free to throw it out on the side of the road. After all, the baby has had it's right to life fulfilled, NOW it's on his own.

And the thing is that Republican policies and callous approach (towards both the mother and child) are consistent with that frame of mind and thinking. And the right wing wonder why there is so much cynicism around their "pro-life" claims.

She certainly could, but that would be against the law. Maybe she and the father should not have had sex if they were ready for the consequences of the action. If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.

Yes, it is very conservative of me to think that person would rather have a hard life than be killed. How very 'enlightened' of you too.

 

[Farb]

I'm just trying to balance responsibility.

If the woman has to be entirely responsible for gestation and birth and criminally liable if she chooses otherwise, then the man should be legally responsible for preventing conception.

Or legally required for support for the child. If only they had something like that already set up.

 

[Farb]

So the bible shouls become law? Are we talking about everyting in the bible or just the ones you see fit?
We may as well go under Sharia law...

I am not emperor yet so according to our founding documents and the history of wester civilization that will be up to the people.

But once I am emperor, then yes, it will only be what I see fit after all, that is what an emperor does, is it not?

 

[samiam5211]

Or legally required for support for the child. If only they had something like that already set up.

Both have to support the child. That's not the point.

Pregnancy and childbirth puts the woman's health at risk, even if it is to a small degree.

Nothing like that for a man.

Besides, all of those unaborted unwanted babies are going up for adoption anyway according to ACB.

 

[Farb]

Both have to support the child. That's not the point.

Pregnancy and childbirth puts the woman's health at risk, even if it is to a small degree.

Nothing like that for a man.

Besides, all of those unaborted unwanted babies are going up for adoption anyway according to ACB.

I am pretty sure abortion is more dangerous for the mother than abortion. But both are so miniscule as to not really be a factor.

 

[MT15]

Believe me, in most locations, child support is a joke. More women don’t get it than those who do. Men can pretty easily just walk away from their obligations, it happens all the time.

Women are 20 times more likely to die from pregnancy complications and childbirth than they are from having an abortion.

I will forever say that this is a terrible decision that the woman alone has the right to make, up until the point of viability. It should be a medical decision, and not a political one. The government has no right to be making these decisions for women.

The US was founded on religious freedom, and people like Farb want to force their religion on everyone. It’s profoundly un-American.

 

[coldseat]

She certainly could, but that would be against the law. Maybe she and the father should not have had sex if they were ready for the consequences of the action. If you do the crime, be prepared to do the time.

Yes, it is very conservative of me to think that person would rather have a hard life than be killed. How very 'enlightened' of you too.

A fetus does not have thoughts, desires or expectations, especially one in the first trimester.

How enlightened of you to think of sex and pregnancy as a crime.

Maybe the mother and father are already married, used protections during sex, already have 3 kids and can't afford to have another one, and do not believe that a fetus is a person. How enlightened of you to force them to have a that baby and impose your religious views on them to make them pay for their crime.

 

[MT15]

I am pretty sure abortion is more dangerous for the mother than abortion. But both are so miniscule as to not really be a factor.

If you meant to say that pregnancy and childbirth are less dangerous than abortion, you just couldn’t be more wrong. Again. It’s almost to the point where you should just take your inclination, and believe the opposite.

 

[J-DONK]

If the SC does overturn Roe v Wade, will there be political blowback? Does this impact 2022/24 elections? Those that want to overturn are in a clear minority nationwide.

 

[brandon]

Crazy, I know. Check out the definition of a zygote. Pretty straight forward.

zy·gote
/ˈzīˌɡōt/
a diploid cell resulting from the fusion of two haploid gametes; a fertilized ovum.

zygote​

[ zahy-goht, zig-oht ]
the cell produced by the union of two gametes, before it undergoes cleavage.

zygote​

zy·gote | \ ˈzī-ˌgōt \

: a cell formed by the union of two gametes

Ok now what

 

[SamAndreas]

Ok now what

I like the quote you gave for what dictionary.com said:

zygote​

[ zahy-goht, zig-oht ]
the cell produced by the union of two gametes, before it undergoes cleavage

Until it grows tits it's not a human being.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Crazy, I know. Check out the definition of a zygote. Pretty straight forward.

I know what a zygote is. What's your point?

 

[SystemShock]

Believe me, in most locations, child support is a joke. More women don’t get it than those who do. Men can pretty easily just walk away from their obligations, it happens all the time.

Women are 20 times more likely to die from pregnancy complications and childbirth than they are from having an abortion.

I will forever say that this is a terrible decision that the woman alone has the right to make, up until the point of viability. It should be a medical decision, and not a political one. The government has no right to be making these decisions for women.

The US was founded on religious freedom, and people like Farb want to force their religion on everyone. It’s profoundly un-American.

I'd argue it was founded on freedom from religion, as clearly stated on the first sentence of the 1st Amendment.

The whole anti-abortion thing comes from a passage in the Bible that's not even about abortion - and for the record, this is not my opinion; it has been stated by many theologians/apologists. Jeremiah 1:5 says - allegedly Yahweh speaking - “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” So, the reasoning goes something like, your soul exists before egg and sperm meet, and therefore you are even before conception, and you must be born to proselytize. Abortion kills that cycle. It also prevents the person from being born and being baptized, which means your soul will not return to heaven because, you know, as soon as that egg and sperm meet, you are a wretched sinner, and you must be submerged in water (or water poured on your forehead if you are Catholic) for you to be "born again", you know, a clean birth, without the horrible sex/pregnancy part.

Of note, Jeremiah is a book in the Old Testament, the one Christians distance themselves from when anyone mentions the genocide, child abuse, condoning of slavery, the treatment of women, etc., in the Old Testament.

Come to think of it, why aren't churches baptizing zygotes and fetuses before abortions? Their souls will go straight to heaven, to rejoice forever with God in paradise. Or forget abortions; it should be done as soon as a woman is declared medically pregnant, just in case of a miscarriage, considering how frequent they actually are.

Knowing now how relatively common miscarriages are, and that in many occasions the woman doesn't even know she was pregnant, you have to feel sorry for all of the millions (if not billions) of souls who have been miscarried throughout the ages without anyone knowing, and gone straight to limbo for eternity.

 

[Farb]

I know what a zygote is. What's your point?

Is that the first stage of the growth of a human?

 

[brandon]

Is that the first stage of the growth of a human?

Is it? Why is it not when the individual sperm and egg are created?