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    “In reality Putin – who was a member of the Communist Party until it was effectively (though temporarily) dissolved by Boris Yeltsin in August 1991 – has always recognised the Communist Party as an integral element of Russia’s history and political scene.”


    What am I missing here?
    So North Korea is a democracy?
     
    The Soviet government never called itself communist. Throughout its history it presented itself as socialism striving to achieve the communist ideal. They fell well short of the ultimate goal.

    At present, Putin presides over a socialist bureaucracy that refuses to relinquish power at the expense of economic vitality and world status. The biggest obstacle to Putin’s dreams of Russia attaining Great Power status is the refusal to abandon the old socialist bureaucracy and cronyism.
     
    I don’t know about TDS but I do know that there are some people that absolutely hate Trump and nothing will ever change their mind. I think it’s fair to say knowing the OP’s posting history that Trump could cure cancer and there would be an issue with it. I think the posters on here have a right to ask MT15 to do Homework just as much as the other people are asked. This is a forum full of opinions whether it’s mine or someone else’s that I heard and agree with. With that said in theOPs original post she said she SAW it on a talk show then on page 3 she LISTENED to it on the radio in her car. So which is it? Also it’s very important to the conversation to know what show you saw/listened to it on. Knowing the the posters history and the fact that it’s comparing Trump to Putin I can only assume it on a left wing show. If it’s MSNBC or something like that then maybe some of the right leaning posters wouldn’t have even commented, if it was on a somewhat neutral program then maybe it’s worth discussing. Also who said it is very important. Was it a left wing possibly Yale professor that hates Trump and has done nothing but go on left wing talk shows and bash the President or is it a right leaning even moderate professor whom is doing this for something other than a progressive agenda. What the OP did was put up a thread of someone’s opinion With zero info to back it up. If you saw it what channel were you watching if you don’t remember then what channels do you normally watch? What news shows? If you listened to it then what stations do you typically listen to in your car for news. That type of info will at least give us an idea if it’s even worth arguing.
    but for other posters to sit here and challenge people who disagree about never having done homework because they have a different opinion is disingenuous and hypocritical. This is exactly how it was on the other board and why it will ruin this one and make it one sided. Some of these posters left the other board a long time ago and are here to give this one a try. Let’s try and curb the attacks or knowingly attack someone and then say you will just wait for the reprimand. Let’s try and be more civilized than the the current political climate in DC.
    HAD the 2 dismissive posters challenged OP on her sources or recall, then cool, Game on
    but that's not what happened and you know that's not what happened

    1st poster was all TDS!!! and then saying Trump is operating out of the Dem playbook - with ZERO support for that idea despite repeated asks for it

    then 2nd poster tries to draw some equivalency between and OP that signals to a source and provides additional thoughts and 1st poster who ONLY TDSes
    not even close to an equivalency

    the ONE thing second poster provides is a meh few sentences that tries to make a point mind you, he doesn't address the 7 or so posts that directly challenges his assertion with historical context, he just fishes this quote out of somewhere
     
    I don’t know about TDS but I do know that there are some people that absolutely hate Trump and nothing will ever change their mind. I think it’s fair to say knowing the OP’s posting history that Trump could cure cancer and there would be an issue with it. I think the posters on here have a right to ask MT15 to do Homework just as much as the other people are asked. This is a forum full of opinions whether it’s mine or someone else’s that I heard and agree with. With that said in theOPs original post she said she SAW it on a talk show then on page 3 she LISTENED to it on the radio in her car. So which is it? Also it’s very important to the conversation to know what show you saw/listened to it on. Knowing the the posters history and the fact that it’s comparing Trump to Putin I can only assume it on a left wing show. If it’s MSNBC or something like that then maybe some of the right leaning posters wouldn’t have even commented, if it was on a somewhat neutral program then maybe it’s worth discussing. Also who said it is very important. Was it a left wing possibly Yale professor that hates Trump and has done nothing but go on left wing talk shows and bash the President or is it a right leaning even moderate professor whom is doing this for something other than a progressive agenda. What the OP did was put up a thread of someone’s opinion With zero info to back it up. If you saw it what channel were you watching if you don’t remember then what channels do you normally watch? What news shows? If you listened to it then what stations do you typically listen to in your car for news. That type of info will at least give us an idea if it’s even worth arguing.
    but for other posters to sit here and challenge people who disagree about never having done homework because they have a different opinion is disingenuous and hypocritical. This is exactly how it was on the other board and why it will ruin this one and make it one sided. Some of these posters left the other board a long time ago and are here to give this one a try. Let’s try and curb the attacks or knowingly attack someone and then say you will just wait for the reprimand. Let’s try and be more civilized than the the current political climate in DC.
    now more importantly is recognizing that the thread has played out exactly the way TDS Poster 1 wanted
    had no interest in engaging in the topic, just wanted to voice a driveby dismissal
    so now the ENTIRE rest of the thread has been about the dismisal

    if you want to get upset about the state of contemporary discourse, THAT's where your ire should be aimed
     
    Poster 1 did this.
    Poster 2 said that.
    If Poster 1 had said it this way...
    If poster 2 had responded that way...
    This is not a discussion of the topic, it a critique of posters.
    Geez, this is test run. The site hasn't even gone live yet!
    Guess we are the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players." :hihi:
     
    More like poster one makes derogatory blanket comment in the direction of OP.

    Second poster throws another derogatory comment toward the OP.

    Posters point out how those comments are derogatory and against the spirit of this board. Derogatory commenting posters get defensive and try and attack the OP for something they are far more guilty of(sourcing their assertions or opinions) as a way to avoid accountability for their actions. Cue several pages of people trying to explain what is painfully obvious to the rabble rousing partisans.
     
    Poster 1 did this.
    Poster 2 said that.
    If Poster 1 had said it this way...
    If poster 2 had responded that way...
    This is not a discussion of the topic, it a critique of posters.
    Geez, this is test run. The site hasn't even gone live yet!
    Guess we are the "Not Ready for Prime Time Players." :hihi:
    your contribution notwithstanding aren't you making the same point i just made?
     
    It’s pretty disappointing to see people who have decided to change their identities for the new site by taking Andrus up on his offer of a clean slate (which is fine, BTW) then decide to do nothing but attack a poster for their posting history on the old site. In multiple threads, no less.

    If this is what passes for fair discourse, then I’ll pass.

    It’s especially disappointing when folks who should know better also engage in the same tarring with a broad brush, all the while ignoring said personal attacks, to call out my OP. Yes, Krod, I’m talking about you. Please explain to me how my posting history on Trump varies from Richard’s or SBTB, for example? Yet, you decided I needed to be chastised for it. Your comment wasn’t accurate or fair, at least IMO.

    I will grant you my OP isn’t sourced, but it’s mostly my own musings on a point I heard expressed on the radio. It was MSNBC, to be sure, but I will ask you to show me how they are “fake”. They have a frame of reference, or a bias, to be sure, but it’s easy to spot the bias, and they do have good content. You won’t find them doing something like birtherism or Seth Rich or pizzagate. If they are speculating they disclose it up front. There are quite a few folks who previously worked for Republican administrations on staff, they give valuable insights and it’s much easier to follow on the radio than CNN where they just shout over each other. The guests are generally grounded and they have respectful discussions. For the most part. This was a thoughtful interview with an academician who sees some dispiriting similarities in attitudes between Trump and Putin. I’ve seen the same, how could anyone not notice? Trump admires Putin and it’s fair to say he wants to be like him, IMO.

    DD and others are correct in that this thread is not a good example of the type of discourse we would like to encourage. For example Archie seems to have good knowledge about Russia and I would like to have had a civil discussion with him, I can always learn something. But his immediate hostility essentially derailed the thread. So here we are.
     
    More like poster one makes derogatory blanket comment in the direction of OP.

    Second poster throws another derogatory comment toward the OP.

    Posters point out how those comments are derogatory and against the spirit of this board. Derogatory commenting posters get defensive and try and attack the OP for something they are far more guilty of(sourcing their assertions or opinions) as a way to avoid accountability for their actions. Cue several pages of people trying to explain what is painfully obvious to the rabble rousing partisans.

    Welcome to the party.
     
    What’s the official self-declared name of North Korea pal?
    You replied to the wrong post lazy. This was the one for you ;)

    Help get us past this silliness you were on about Russia/Putin being communist because of a label.
     
    You replied to the wrong post lazy. This was the one for you ;)

    Help get us past this silliness you were on about Russia/Putin being communist because of a label.

    No I was getting there.

    So your argument is that the communist party of the Soviet Union did not actually have a communist platform?

    I do think the position you guys are taking is rich and can’t wait for the debate. I have links at the ready.....Your move.
     
    Posters called me ignorant about Putin being a communist. I then “show my work” that Putin was a member of the communist party of almost 20 years and this is the best of the responses?
    So what's the official name of North Korea?
     

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