RFK's campaign (will run as independent/third-party) (3 Viewers)

[samiam5211]

It looks like he's going to be on the ticket in November. I think he should get his own thread. He's about to become well funded, and it's going to be a professionally run campaign no doubt. I don't think it's out of the question that he get's Perot like numbers, and even if he get's 1/4 of that it could be a disaster for the Biden campaign that is probably looking at a few thousand votes in a few states turning the election anyway.

There is going to be money behind this campaign from all sorts of angles. No matter what anyone thinks about RFK, it would be a terrible mistake to not take this campaign seriously. He might take some from Trump for sure, but he's going to take more of the anti Trump vote from Biden, and Biden can't really spare any votes. Not all people who were going to vote for Biden would disagree with the things RFK has said about vaccines, and he's not going to be spending his time campaigning on just vaccine skepticism.

There are many more people voting for Biden who aren't enthusiastic about Biden than there are on the other side.

MSN

Asuper PAC supporting Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has begun polling his support as an Independent, one of the strongest indications to date that the long-shot Democrat is set to announce a party affiliation switch.

The poll, conducted by the firm John Zogby Strategies and commissioned by the American Values 2024 PAC, comes amid growing speculation — fueled by Kennedy himself — that he will leave the Democratic Party in the upcoming weeks.

 

[J-DONK]

That's VERY possible. It will be whatever it will be. Yet one thing is for sure....the debate will be far more significant than RFK dropping out. By Monday RFK will already be forgotten.

Agree, Kamala wins the election with anything equal to, or above "OK" in comparison to Trump. If Trump has a repeat of that RNC speech It's over.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I’m sure Trump promised a position to RFK Jr in exchange for his endorsement (Health & Human Services?)

God forbid if Trump wins, barely and it’s RFKs supporters that make the difference

But once he gets what he wants it will be funny when Trump treats RFK like one of his contractors and not give Kennedy what he owes him

“What promise? What department again? Never heard of it. And that doesn’t sound like something I’d say”

 

[LA - L.A.]

....the debate will be far more significant than RFK dropping out.

It's clear that's your opinion, but RFK Jr. endorsing Trump might actually cause Trump to lose some votes.

The debate won't have any impact on how people vote, because they never have, even when there was more people who were truly undecided. There are very few, if any, people who are truly undecided in this election. This election won't come down to winning over undecideds or independents. This election will come down to who gets more of their supporters out to vote.

That's why RFK Jr. endorsing Trump will have more impact on the voting than the debates will. There is a significant group of women who are Trump voters who also hate RFK Jr's stance against vaccines. That coupled with Trump recently saying he would cut funding to any schools that required vaccines is going to cause some of those women not to vote at all or vote for another third party candidate.

If the debate actually does take place, there is nothing that Trump can say or do that will make anyone change their minds about voting for Trump or not. The few remaining people who truly haven't made up their minds aren't going to be swayed by anything Harris or Trump say in a debate. They already know who both of them are. Whatever the reason is that they haven't made up their minds, it has nothing to do with who Trump and Harris are. It's something else for each of them that has very little to nothing to do with what Harris or Trump do or say.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

It's clear that's your opinion, but RFK Jr. endorsing Trump might actually cause Trump to lose some votes.

The debate won't have any impact on how people vote, because they never have, even when there was more people who were truly undecided. There are very few, if any, people who are truly undecided in this election. This election won't come down to winning over undecideds or independents. This election will come down to who gets more of their supporters out to vote.

That's why RFK Jr. endorsing Trump will have more impact on the voting than the debates will. There is a significant group of women who are Trump voters who also hate RFK Jr's stance against vaccines. That coupled with Trump recently saying he would cut funding to any schools that required vaccines is going to cause some of those women not to vote at all or vote for another third party candidate.

If the debate actually does take place, there is nothing that Trump can say or do that will make anyone change their minds about voting for Trump or not. The few remaining people who truly haven't made up their minds aren't going to be swayed by anything Harris or Trump say in a debate. They already know who both of them are. Whatever the reason is that they haven't made up their minds, it has nothing to do with who Trump and Harris are. It's something else for each of them that has very little to nothing to do with what Harris or Trump do or say.

Have a nice day

 

[zztop]

I am reading that RFK, Jr will remain on the ballot in NC and NV - at least for now. They have already printed some of the paper ballots. I’m sure there will be court cases.

I've read the deadline to withdraw from NV was the 20th, so he can't be removed. Ironically, the lawsuit by (D) to get him removed is seemingly his only chance now.
Theres some other interesting info in this article

RFK Jr. still likely to appear on Nevada ballot despite suspending campaign - The Nevada Independent

A still-pending lawsuit from the Nevada Democratic Party to kick Kennedy off the ballot would presumably be the only way he would be removed from the ballot.

thenevadaindependent.com

 

[Lapaz]

I heard Lindsay Graham this morning pitching that gas was $1.87 when Trump left office, which is wrong. It hit $1.87 a year before Trump took office, so that was during Obama/Biden administration. It did get down to $1.94 for a month in the middle of COVID since the demand was way down, and that kept the price down for the rest of his term. It was $2.46 when he took office, and got up to $2.98, and had dropped to $2.64 before COVID hit. Even with the benefit of COVID keeping demand low, it was $2.42 when he left office. It is currently $3.60, but that’s way down from $5.03.

Another weird comment I heard from Jennings is that the inflation rate is now low, but inflation is still high. What the heck does that mean? I assume he meant prices are still high, so does that mean Republicans want a recession to lower prices?

 

[MT15]

I assume he meant prices are still high, so does that mean Republicans want a recession to lower prices?

You would think he would know better, but I imagine they rely on MAGA voters not knowing better.

 

[Dragon]

I have trouble listening to him also. His speaking voice reminds me of tv commercials that feature someone with throat cancer. Commercials that aim to scare people into not smoking or to get people to quit smoking. Did you ever see a commercial like that?
*
AFTER posting everything I typed above, I googled the situation and discovered this....

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. reveals why he has a raspy voice – spasmodic dysphonia explained

Changes to the voice could signal ill health. An anatomist explains.

theconversation.com

Dysphonia is far from fun. I've suffered from it for over 40 years. While my voice sounds normal initially, speaking for more than 15 minutes causes the muscles in my throat to spasm, leading to an asthma-like attack that makes it difficult to breathe

 

[Optimus Prime]

My understanding is that RFK Jr called up Harris’ campaign and offered to drop out and endorse her in exchange for a position in her administration

He either received no reply or the reply was to kick rocks

RFK Jr then called Trump campaign and offered to drop out and endorse him in exchange for a position his administration

Shouldn’t his supporters be concerned that his loyalties can more or less be bought? And should take his ‘endorsement’ with a fistful of salt?

 

[CoolBrees]

I'm going to say it will backfire for both of them.

RFK is on tape (from his son no less) talking with Trump about quitting for a position - before he asked Kamala the same thing.

She said no, he went back to Trump who is desperate.

Please offer your paid endorsement.

Seriously that should precede anything RFK says. "This is a paid promotion "

 

[LA - L.A.]

I'm going to say it will backfire for both of them.

RFK is on tape (from his son no less) talking with Trump about quitting for a position - before he asked Kamala the same thing.

She said no, he went back to Trump who is desperate.

Please offer your paid endorsement.

Seriously that should precede anything RFK says. "This is a paid promotion "

That's one a several reasons why a few political analysts think RFK Jr.'s endorsement will actually cause Trump to have a net loss in votes.

 

[MT15]

I simply don’t know how these idiots fool a single person. I really don’t.

 

[Heathen]

Yeah, these guys are just weird. That’s accurate.

Environmental group calls for investigation of RFK Jr. chainsawing whale head

 

[Optimus Prime]

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Wisconsin Elections Commission voted Tuesday to keep Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the presidential ballot, despite his request to be removed, and also rejected a Democratic attempt to oust independent candidate Cornel West.

A move by Democratic elections commissioners to keep Green Party candidate Jill Stein off the ballot also failed. The vote to approve her came the day after the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected a lawsuit by Democrats to remove Stein from the ballot.

Ultimately, the commission approved eight presidential candidates for the ballot in Wisconsin: Democrat Kamala Harris; Republican Donald Trump; Randall Terry of the Constitution Party; Chase Oliver of the Libertarian Party; Claudia De la Cruz of the Socialism and Liberation Party; and Kennedy, West and Stein.

The commission did oust one presidential candidate — independent Shiva Ayyadurai — an anti-vaccine activist who was born in India to parents who weren’t United States citizens. The U.S. Constitution requires presidential candidates to be natural born U.S. citizens.

Kennedy’s campaign sent the Wisconsin Elections Commission a letter dated Friday asking that his name be removed from the ballot. Although Kennedy has said he would try to remove his name from the ballot in battleground states, he has made clear that he wasn’t formally ending his bid and said his supporters could continue to back him in the majority of states where they are unlikely to sway the outcome.............

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., West approved for ballot in Wisconsin after attempts to oust them fail

The Wisconsin Elections Commission voted Tuesday to keep Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the battleground state's presidential ballot, despite his request to be removed, and also rejected a Democratic attempt to oust independent candidate Cornel West.

apnews.com

 

[B4YOU]

States keep denying RFK Jr.'s requests to be removed from their ballots, which was key to his plan to help Trump win

Michigan, Wisconsin, and Colorado denied Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s requests to be removed from the ballot. His status in North Carolina is still unclear.

www.businessinsider.com

So it appears WI, MI, CO, and maybe NC and NV will not remove him from the ballot. RFK replacing Tyrek Hill for worst pullout game ever.

 

[zztop]

^ I wish I didn't get that reference... but I do lol

 

[MT15]

^ I wish I didn't get that reference... but I do lol

Me too. I had given a thumbs up, then did a double take and changed it, lol.

 

[B4YOU]

I think RFK Jr just made polling more difficult.

RFK Jr is polling at 4-5% and has "withdrawn from swing states" but not all states. Also, he will be on the ballot in swing(ish) states of WI, MI, CO, and maybe NC while endorsing Trump. The big deal is NC is within 1% and MI about 2-3%. At the announcement, I assumed he would be off ballot in all states and that his remaining voters would split 1-3 or 1-4 for Trump. Are RFK Jr voters going to still vote for him in NC and MI? Will they know about the endorsement and to "vote Trump"? Will the small contingent of left leaners stay with RFK Jr while right leaners "get the message"? Is it only protest voters who remain of RFK Jr voters and they don't show up in states he is off the ballot? Will the RFK Jr. shadow VP talk drive all of his voters to Trump?

RFK Jr is both a candidate and not a candidate who is both on the ballot and not. Confusing times. The below article lists states on vs off.

RFK Jr. wants off the ballot in 10 states. Some battlegrounds are saying no

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. believes that being on the ballot in 10 states could spoil Donald Trump's chances of beating Kamala Harris.

www.cbsnews.com